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Gord_in_Toronto said:
And how exactly does that explain the current state of things any better than that God does not exit and the events in the Universe are random?

Me. Just now.
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That appears to be a different question, as we had been discussing the existence of evil as respects God, were we not?
 
16.5 said:
That appears to be a different question, as we had been discussing the existence of evil as respects God, were we not?
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Beats me. Do "bad things" happen only because God exists?

If God creates Evil for our own good, I really wish he would not, or at least explain in an unambiguous way to we poor humans why He does so. Since he by definition can do anything (except maybe the thing with the rock) He can explain it to us and yet continue to provide its purported beneficial effects. First, of course, he could define Evil.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Beats me. Do "bad things" happen only because God exists?

If God creates Evil for our own good, I really wish he would not, or at least explain in an unambiguous way to we poor humans why He does so. Since he by definition can do anything (except maybe the thing with the rock) He can explain it to us and yet continue to provide its purported beneficial effects. First, of course, he could define Evil.
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Evil is then a privation of a due good which belongs to a thing according to its nature

See generally: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/philosophy/evil.htm
 
16.5 said:
Curious. You didn't answer my question. Permit me to put you down as:

"No."

I expect, however, that won't stop you from repeatedly posting strawmen in this thread, instead of participating in a serious discussion.

Have a blessed day.
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FSM already gives me strength, thanks for being passive aggressive.


What attributes does your god have?
 
MEMORANDOM

From: Deparment of Heavenly Affairs
To: Jehovah/Yahweh, d/b/a "The Christian God"

Re: Feedback and Performance Concerns

First, we note that when you initiated your enterprise, you made certain promises of protection toward those who serve you:

I lift up my eyes to the hills-where does my help come from? My help comes from the Lord, the Maker of heaven and earth. He will not let your foot slip - he who watches over you will not slumber; indeed, he who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep. The Lord watches over you-the Lord is your shade at your right hand; the sun will not harm you by day, nor the moon by night. The Lord will keep you from all harm-he will watch over your life; the Lord will watch over your coming and going both now and forevermore.​

You reiterated the promise when your son was living briefly in Palestine:

Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from the will of your Father. And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. So don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.​

And later, your your servant wrote to the Hebrews:

Be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?"​

However, we note with concern a repeating pattern of failure to live up to these promises. Most notably, in the years 1941 to 1945, fully six million of your chosen ones perished when you failed to protect them: The Holocaust.

More recently, among those followers of yours who refer to themselves as Catholics, many received and suffered tremendous abuse, while those who abused them were quietly moved from post to post to avoid suspicion, and where they could continue to abuse others. Please refer to the documentation provided at the following locations:

We regret to say the above constitute gross negligence on your part, especially in light of the promises and covenants you made and are referred to earlier in this memo.

Finally, this incident came to our attention just this past week:

Our analysis shows these two young men respected you deeply, loved you, and were quite committed to working in your service. Their family and friends showed the same traits. We are therefore very anxious to learn how it was you allowed them access to the Calgary Olympic bobsled track, or at the very least failed to send an angel to open the gate separating the bobsled and luge tracks so as to give them safe passage. These were outgoing, intelligent, and gifted people who could have made significant contributions to the lives of the people around them.

The above singular example is one of many reports that can be found each week of people for whom you have failed to keep your promises.

We trust you will take note of the issues raised herein. We will schedule a meeting next week with a representative from our department to follow up on these concerns and formulate an Action Plan for future improvement.
 
16.5 said:
Evil is then a privation of a due good which belongs to a thing according to its nature

See generally: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/catholicteaching/philosophy/evil.htm
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Evil does not involve God’s causality like good does. Since good is something (being) it requires a first cause which is absolute Good and perfect being; to be realised it requires the positive causality of the creator. Evil as such, being limitation and lack, requires no causality of being, only a reason for non-being; all that is necessary to account for it is the natural limitedness and frailty of the creature. Fundamentally there could be only two ways of getting rid of evil altogether: either by things not existing at all or by their being positively infinite which is impossible. From the fact of their being creatures, they are bound to be finite (limited) and so carry in themselves – not evil, but a tendency to result in evil and an explanation of the evil by which they are liable to be affected.

The main point to be grasped then is that the ‘cause’ of evil (in sense in which it is discussed here) is not creative power.
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Hilarious!!! How the Hell does anyone know that any of this is true?

"Since good is something (being) it requires a first cause" Why?

"Evil as such, being limitation and lack, requires no causality of being" Why not?

"Fundamentally there could be only two ways of getting rid of evil altogether: either by things not existing at all" Could be.

"or by their being positively infinite which is impossible." Really? Why "impossible". Why limit God's ability?

If all the effort Christian (and other religious) apologetics had put in down through the centuries doing something useful like providing free podiatry for all, the World would be better off . . . and no one's feet would hurt.

http://www.pinkunicorn.net/Cloe/Cloe.html

What do the Invisible Pink Unicorns want from Us?

The IPU's want all matter to obey the physical laws of the universe. It is actually impossible not to do so. As long as matter continues to obey the laws, the Invisible Pink Unicorns will be happy. They don't care what else happens. You can kill your parents, eat your dog, sing out of tune, nothing you can possibly do will break the laws of the universe.

The IPU's think the idea or worship is silly. You are already doing what they want you to do. The IPU's are secure enough in their place as masters of the universe, that there is no way you can offend them. You are amusing, but insignificant to them. They care as much about you worshiping them, as you care about your dandrif flakes worshiping you. Even by our standards it seems wierd to want the things you create worship you. We don't expect it of our children, do we? "Now Billy, get on your knees and worship thy LORD and CREATOR MOMMY!"

The IPU's assure Cloe that after "Death", we continue to obey the laws of the universe. Since we don't know the laws of the universe and can't understand them anyway, we don't know what exactly that will mean. The IPU's however, have put aside a hellish place where all people who use the word "an" before the word "historic" will go to suffer in agony for all eternity, because that's their biggest pet peeve.
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16.5 said:
Hilarious.... oh dear. Such is what passes for discussion on this "skeptics" site.

Have a blessed day.
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Yes, that and snipping an insignificant portion out of someone's post and saying it's what passes for discussion ... while completely ignoring the salient parts of the post.

Be respectful and you will be respected in turn. Be flippant and condescending and you will be treated likewise.
 
16.5 said:
Hilarious.... oh dear. Such is what passes for discussion on this "skeptics" site.

Have a blessed day.
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I know trying to rationally figure out the world around us and not still having imaginary friends, oh the horror.

May FSM forgive you.

Also what attributes does your god have?
 
Blue Mountain said:
Yes, that and snipping an insignificant portion out of someone's post and saying it's what passes for discussion ... while completely ignoring the salient parts of the post.

Be respectful and you will be respected in turn. Be flippant and condescending and you will be treated likewise.
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My posts were not flippant and condescending, yet you ignore the posts that were directed to me that were. You ignore them.

Are you seriously claiming that the posts got more "respectful" after "hilarious" or the other juvenile comments?

Ok, make your case.
 
16.5 said:
My posts were not flippant and condescending, yet you ignore the posts that were directed to me that were. You ignore them.

Are you seriously claiming that the posts got more "respectful" after "hilarious" or the other juvenile comments?

Ok, make your case.
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Even funnier. I and the majority of posters in this thread do not accept your answers to the questions we have raised as having any validity or proof of the existence of a Christian God.

Every answer that you could possibly provide would be just as valid as "proof" of any competing god.

And further, as far as "juvenile comments" go, I'll just call on Mencken:

— H L Mencken said:
The pedant and the priest have always been the most expert of logicians — and the most diligent disseminators of nonsense and worse. The liberation of the human mind has never been furthered by dunderheads; it has been furthered by gay fellows who heaved dead cats into sanctuaries and then went roistering down the highways of the world, proving to all men that doubt, after all, was safe — that the god in the sanctuary was finite in his power and hence a fraud. One horse-laugh is worth ten thousand syllogisms. It is not only more effective; it is also vastly more intelligent.
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What a wonderful new day!

Thank you Jesus for this day. Lead us in your truth.
 
I'm just gonna go with Ricky Gervais' question to God: Why did you make me an atheist?
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
I'm just gonna go with Ricky Gervais' question to God: Why did you make me an atheist?
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Since everything that happens is gods' will and I am an atheist then it's gods' will I am an atheist.
 
Blue Mountain said:
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*Le Snip.
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This post is very well made but by no means comprehensive. However I would like to make inquiries into why God would allow his chosen people to behave so reprehensibly while they're supposed to represent his interests.

For example the ancient Hebrews had falsely accused the Egyptians of unjustly enslaving millions of their members for a period of four-hundred years. Furthermore their modern descendants currently refuse to correct the story and instead promote it as true in the face of historical evidence to the contrary.

And that is just for starters.

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tsig said:
Since everything that happens is gods' will and I am an atheist then it's gods' will I am an atheist.
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More or less, this is what some very serious Christian doctrines say. Where believers think "God chose me, God caused me to search Him. Undeservingly Chosen Ones of God."
 
16.5 said:
Evil is then a privation of a due good which belongs to a thing according to its nature
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Do people actually talk like that? Whenever I read things like that its pretty clear the author is just BS-ing either philosobabble or, in this case, apolobabble.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Do people actually talk like that? Whenever I read things like that its pretty clear the author is just BS-ing either philosobabble or, in this case, apolobabble.
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It's a common, lazy tactic. When faced with the questions of Evil, Morality or Babies with Cancer they invoke the "Because Bible/God" gobbledygook.
Circular nonsense to put it mildly.
It's sad really, like watching a puppy drown.

So, to get back to the questions to God......
If my written words are, in the future, discovered to be all lies will they then be called 'metaphors' too?


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I would ask him for his pick up lines. After all he gets chicks even in the guise of bulls,birds and showers of gold. HOW? OK the shower of gold is self explanatory for a certain type of girl on certain streets,but the bull,what does he say? Moooo,do bulls say moooo. No chick knocks zues back.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Do people actually talk like that? Whenever I read things like that its pretty clear the author is just BS-ing either philosobabble or, in this case, apolobabble.
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Lets remember what apologetics is.

When faced with contradictory ideas:
1. God is all loving and cares for us
2. Babies and toddlers get painful incurable cancer
3. God does nothing to relieve the suffering

the reaction is not to question #1, but rather to treat it as a fact not to be questioned, then instead to desparately search for and create some sort "argument" to reconcile the implications.

If your child fell and cut himself, your reaction would be something along the lines of clean the wound, take the kid to the doctor if it is bad enough, give the child ASA, put a bandaid on it etc.
God's reaction is to do nothing.

God supposedly intervenes in the old testament to help the jews (parting red sea or something), but lets 6 million die at the hands of the Nazis.

Why was god willing to make himself known in the past, but not now?
 
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JJM 777 said:
Assuming that God existed, and you would have a means of communicating with God, what feedback would you give?

My feedback is short and simple:

"Why are you all the time so... absent?"
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I would moon him/her/it and punch him/her/it somewhere that it hurts.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
Do people actually talk like that? Whenever I read things like that its pretty clear the author is just BS-ing either philosobabble or, in this case, apolobabble.
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The Sparrow said:
Lets remember what apologetics is.

When faced with contradictory ideas:
1. God is all loving and cares for us
2. Babies and toddlers get painful incurable cancer
3. God does nothing to relieve the suffering

the reaction is not to question #1, but rather to treat it as a fact not to be questioned, then instead to desparately search for and create some sort "argument" to reconcile the implications.

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Coincidentally I happened to be pigging out on David Silverman when 16.5 played the "you're being mean" card.
It's absolutely hilarious hearing the same gibberish from the believers.
Circular Reasoning in abundance. The God of Gaps. "It's a metaphor"...
The morality stuff has me in stitches.

One of my favourites:
(2 hours but entertaining)


The Christian snake-oil salesman squirms like a slimy snake-oil salesman.

ETA: Back OT, God- Aren't you embarrassed that your fans are so rubbish at making up stories?

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ComfySlippers said:
Coincidentally I happened to be pigging out on David Silverman when 16.5 played the "you're being mean" card.
It's absolutely hilarious hearing the same gibberish from the believers.
Circular Logic in abundance. The God of Gaps. "It's a metaphor"...
The morality stuff has me in stitches.

One of my favourites:
(2 hours but entertaining)



The Christian snake-oil salesman squirms like a slimy snake-oil salesman.

ETA: Back OT, God- Aren't you embarrassed that your fans are so rubbish at making up stories?

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Mean? I meant to play the "stop being children" card.
 
16.5 said:
Mean? I meant to play the "stop being children" card.
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I had a chat with God about all of this. He'd like to say he's sorry, but all this free will crap (his words!) means he lets humans do what they want.

He's constantly whining that all humans seem to want to do when he's mentioned is talk about how much better they are than other people because they believe in him, and yet do nothing about the ills of mankind.

He's been weakened to the point where all he can do is send messages on toast. It doesn't seem to be working.
 
16.5 said:
:rolleyes:

Lord, can you send me some adults?
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They died too, From the same terminal illnesses.

Maybe they didn't pray hard enough.

The children of course, well, god needed some more angels.



How goes the list of attributes for your god?
 
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In his mind he is the sole bearer of truth, Trying to plow through all this muddled silliness and give us the good word, if only us poor lost souls would listen.

Each day I'm sure he prays that he is given the strength to ignore all those bothersome questions that don't have a sloppy apologetics 101 cut and paste answer.

I will continue to ask FSM to forgive him.
 
16.5 said:
:rolleyes:

Lord, can you send me some adults?
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If He doesn't send you some adults, will you please explain why He did not? References to St Thomas, St Augustus, the Virgin Mary and any book of the Bible (except Revelation) will be considered.
 
Mudcat said:
This post is very well made but by no means comprehensive. However I would like to make inquiries into why God would allow his chosen people to behave so reprehensibly while they're supposed to represent his interests.
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Thanks for the compliment! I touched upon the "acting reprehensibly" bit, although obliquely, when talking about the child abuse scandals.

For example the ancient Hebrews had falsely accused the Egyptians of unjustly enslaving millions of their members for a period of four-hundred years. Furthermore their modern descendants currently refuse to correct the story and instead promote it as true in the face of historical evidence to the contrary.

And that is just for starters.
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In all honesty, I've never heard a Jew comment on the Exodus story. I suspect like the Christians, they run the gamut from accepting it as absolute truth because it's scripture to recognizing it as folklore.

Certainly the initial memo could use a follow-up talking about the actions of his followers, asking why he no longer sends angels, prophets, or even dreams to rebuke and correct as needed.
 
Nay_Sayer said:
In his mind he is the sole bearer of truth, Trying to plow through all this muddled silliness and give us the good word, if only us poor lost souls would listen.

Each day I'm sure he prays that he is given the strength to ignore all those bothersome questions that don't have a sloppy apologetics 101 cut and paste answer.

I will continue to ask FSM to forgive him.
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I will eat my Holy Pasta (Angel Hair) with the Sacred Meatballs and Blessed Sauce as a way to gain grace for him.
 
Blue Mountain said:
...asking why he no longer sends angels, prophets, or even dreams to rebuke and correct as needed.
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Come to Utah. There's a whole office building downtown of besuited conservatives who claim literally to be prophets of God. Right now they're busy "advising" our legislature, which is in session this month.
 
16.5 said:
My posts were not flippant and condescending, yet you ignore the posts that were directed to me that were. You ignore them.

Are you seriously claiming that the posts got more "respectful" after "hilarious" or the other juvenile comments?

Ok, make your case.
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Your very first post in this thread was:
16.5 said:
Dear Lord, is there anyway you can help us to dumb down St Augustine of Hippo and St Thomas Aquinas for "skeptics" in 2016?
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Between the scare quotes around "skeptics" and the use of the phrase "dumb down," it sounds very condescending to me.

A bit later we see:
16.5 said:
Well they have been around for a millennium. Baby steps for "skeptics".
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There's the implication again that skeptics are simpletons.

The entire exchange went along similar lines. It serves to show me that by starting out with a mildly insulting and condescending post, you were treated in that fashion.

You also have a tendency to engage only superficially:

16.5 said:
Nay_Sayer said:
Any musings about why your god doesn't stop child rapists?
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That is, what, the fourth post you have made about child rapists in this thread?

That reminds me of a line from blazing saddles.... Anyway:

what have you done to stop child rape, because God helps those who help themselves.
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Not only did you utterly fail to answer Nay_Sayer's pertinent question, you followed it up with a quote that's not even in the Bible!

We're fortunate this board actually has people able to formulate a good argument for the God you believe in, because are certainly doing a very poor job at it.

Your avatar is appropriate, though: when the going gets tough, 16.5 goes fishin'.
 
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