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TheL8Elvis said:
It's not turning them over because she deleted them.
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You continue to assume facts not in evidence. She deleted what she says were personal emails.
TheL8Elvis said:
I....And I'm not arguing that "technically" she didn't do it. I'm simply pointing out that it sounds disingenuous to claim "she turned over all her emails"
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And I think it's disingenuous to assume her personal emails included work related emails.

Again, this isn't FOIA. This is now an FBI investigation security review. At this point, what's in your trash can is completely relevant, to use your analogy.
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A separate issue from turning over your work related emails.

You have a broader definition of "all" than I was using. Does "all" include any email Clinton ever sent or received her entire life?

They (being the FBI) did it all on their own, AFAIK. Do you have evidence to the contrary ?
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The whole thing was triggered by the Benghazi committee asking for anything they could get their hands on to comb through for dirt on Clinton. The security review came when the State Department did their routine redaction review subsequent to the FOIA requests. Without those there would be no security review.
 
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Tony Stark said:
The FBI had a tape of him confessing. He also lied to them.

What are the odds that the FBI has a tape of Hillary confessing? My guess is 0%.
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Among other differences such has he specifically gave said confidential information to a non-government employee for non-work related reasons.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You continue to assume facts not in evidence. She deleted what she says were personal emails.
And I think it's disingenuous to assume her personal emails included work related emails.

A separate issue from turning over your work related emails.
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I am not assuming "facts not in evidence."

I have never claimed she deleted anything other than her work emails, or that she had to turn anything over under FOIA than her work emails.

Skeptic Ginger said:
You have a broader definition of "all" than I was using.
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That's the problem. So does any normal person using the english language. That's what I'm trying to explain to you if you would stop arguing long enough and just process what I am saying.

When you say all her emails .. that means ... all her emails. Not just her work emails.

Skeptic Ginger said:
Does "all" include any email Clinton ever sent or received her entire life?
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No, that would be ridiculous. It would not be ridiculous, however, to assume all her emails means "all the emails in her inbox, in her account, on her computer"

If you choose to keep claiming "she turned over all her emails" without any qualifier, you'll keep causing confusion.

Skeptic Ginger said:
The whole thing was triggered by the Benghazi committee asking for anything they could get their hands on to comb through for dirt on Clinton. The security review came when the State Department did their routine redaction review subsequent to the FOIA requests. Without those there would be no security review.
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That's not evidence that the FBI didn't request the emails all on their own after they became aware of the circumstances.

What is the relevance of whether they did or didn't anyway ?
 
You are hung up on semantics yet again. I explained what I meant by "all". It's tedious to write out full sentences with multiple caveats.

Feel free to continue fussing. Next time you see me write all emails, if you aren't sure, ask what I mean.

Same with the FBI vs Benghazi vs the State Dept. We're on the same page, stop being such a pedant. I can't see any facts we disagree on except your pedantic issues.

Life's too short as it is.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You are hung up on semantics yet again. I explained what I meant by "all". It's tedious to write out full sentences with multiple caveats.

Feel free to continue fussing. Next time you see me write all emails, if you aren't sure, ask what I mean.

Same with the FBI vs Benghazi vs the State Dept. We're on the same page, stop being such a pedant. I can't see any facts we disagree on except your pedantic issues.
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The onus is on you to communicate your arguments clearly.

When people on both sides of the argument keep telling you that you are not ...
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The whole thing was triggered by the Benghazi committee asking for anything they could get their hands on to comb through for dirt on Clinton. The security review came when the State Department did their routine redaction review subsequent to the FOIA requests. Without those there would be no security review.
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Actually Gawker issued a FOIA request to State seeking her emails, the Benghazi committee requested them, Jason Leopold issued a FOIA request and then the New York Times wrote an article about it.

There is no "security review." That is a Hillary lie. The Intelligence Community Inspector General made a counterIntelligence referral to the FBI when they discovered top secret data from the CIA and the NGSA in her emails. The FBI is now conducting a "law enforcement" investigation that is so sensitive they will not release the identity of the Agent who submitted an affidavit about the status.

Security review, are you kidding me?
 
16.5 said:
Actually Gawker issued a FOIA request to State seeking her emails, the Benghazi committee requested them, Jason Leopold issued a FOIA request and then the New York Times wrote an article about it.

There is no "security review." That is a Hillary lie. The Intelligence Community Inspector General made a counterIntelligence referral to the FBI when they discovered top secret data from the CIA and the NGSA in her emails. The FBI is now conducting a "law enforcement" investigation that is so sensitive they will not release the identity of the Agent who submitted an affidavit about the status.

Security review, are you kidding me?
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Obama is going to have to pardon Hillary to keep her out of prison? Are you kidding me? If not, surely you are willing to make a bet over it. $100 that Obama does not pardon Hillary.
 
16.5 said:
Actually Gawker issued a FOIA request to State seeking her emails, the Benghazi committee requested them, Jason Leopold issued a FOIA request and then the New York Times wrote an article about it.

There is no "security review." That is a Hillary lie. The Intelligence Community Inspector General made a counterIntelligence referral to the FBI when they discovered top secret data from the CIA and the NGSA in her emails. The FBI is now conducting a "law enforcement" investigation that is so sensitive they will not release the identity of the Agent who submitted an affidavit about the status.

Security review, are you kidding me?
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Evidence for the hilited required.

Also, you have no information why will not release the identity of the Agent who submitted an affidavit about the status. For all we know it's just becuase they don't want you to know.

Unless, of course, you have some evidence ?
 
TheL8Elvis said:
The onus is on you to communicate your arguments clearly.

When people on both sides of the argument keep telling you that you are not ...
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No, the onus is on me to give a rip about your pedantics and I don't. But I like you, and on much we agree.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No, the onus is on me to give a[n]...
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argument that is reasonably accurate. Otherwise people will point it out and rightfully so. Much like you argue that her actions were completely legitimate in the context where most reasoned people understand that not everything she did was correct. The only major item in disagreement is if it rises to the level of "criminal" and well... as serious as that can be it's another matter from whether her handling of the emails themselves was ever the right way to begin with. I've criticized this numerous times in the months that this thread has been active. And you seem to want to over look it because well, apparently there's something about Hillary that deserves godly exemption from the rules that people have previously argued need to apply to everyone (I'm sure the enormous focus on HER directs the convo a fair amount from the problem as an abstract but most fair people register that).
 
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Am I the only one that considers it ironic that had she used the DoS's system for her work emails that they would have been compromised by hackers because their system actually got hacked into, yet we're basically being told that what she did was terrible for having a private server because the Government can make a more secure system than a private company can, even though the Government's one was breached. Even more ironically, her server was using encoded communications, the DoS's wasn't.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Among other differences such has he specifically gave said confidential information to a non-government employee for non-work related reasons.
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His mistress was a DOD certified journalist, a major (I think) in the US Army reserves, and had a top secret security clearance. She was working on his authorized biography/hagiography, which the DOD had an obvious interest in encouraging and facilitating.

What was Petraeus' purpose in giving her access to his diaries? To get into her pants? He was no doubt rummaging around in there anyway. I imagine he was trying to help her write a more accurate biography, which is at least a noble goal.

What was Hillary's purpose in setting up a private server from which to do all of her government work? Was it noble? No it was not. It was corrupt from the get-go.

Hillary's crimes are worse.
 
sunmaster14 said:
His mistress was a DOD certified journalist, a major (I think) in the US Army reserves, and had a top secret security clearance. She was working on his authorized biography/hagiography, which the DOD had an obvious interest in encouraging and facilitating.

What was Petraeus' purpose in giving her access to his diaries? To get into her pants? He was no doubt rummaging around in there anyway. I imagine he was trying to help her write a more accurate biography, which is at least a noble goal.

What was Hillary's purpose in setting up a private server from which to do all of her government work? Was it noble? No it was not. It was corrupt from the get-go.

Hillary's crimes are worse.
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You can't even prove that Hillary committed a crime. On the other hand, the FBI had Petraeus on tape confessing. And then he lied to them about it.
 
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Tony Stark said:
You can't even prove that Hillary committed a crime. On the other hand, the FBI had Petraeus on tape confessing. And then he lied to them about it.
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Actually, I've already proved it many times in this thread, and only from the information that is publicly available.

As for Petraeus' confession, can you give me a transcript? I've never seen it. I know that he accepted a plea bargain, but who knows why or how. The poor guy was completely humiliated, and his ego was crushed. On top of that he had to go back to his potato sack of a wife after having a mind-blowing affair with a very fit and appealing woman, 20 years his junior, who worshiped the ground he walked on. I'm surprised he didn't beg for jail time, or even a firing squad.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Actually, I've already proved it many times in this thread, and only from the information that is publicly available.
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LOL

As for Petraeus' confession, can you give me a transcript? I've never seen it. I know that he accepted a plea bargain, but who knows why or how. The poor guy was completely humiliated, and his ego was crushed. On top of that he had to go back to his potato sack of a wife after having a mind-blowing affair with a very fit and appealing woman, 20 years his junior, who worshiped the ground he walked on. I'm surprised he didn't beg for jail time, or even a firing squad.
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Importantly, Petraeus was well aware of the classified contents in his journals, saying to his biographer, Paula Broadwell on tape, “I mean, they are highly classified, some of them. They don’t have it on it, but I mean there’s code word stuff in there.”

When questioned by the FBI, Petraeus lied to agents in responding that he had neither improperly stored nor improperly provided classified information to his biographer. As Mukasey also highlighted, the key element is that Petraeus’ conduct was done “knowingly.” That is, when he stored his journals containing “highly classified” information at his home, he did so knowingly. Petraeus knew at that time that there was classified information in the journals, and he knew they were stored improperly.
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http://www.usatoday.com/wlna/opinio...versy-no-comparison-petraeus-column/71421242/

He's lucky he didn't go to prison. If he wasn't a four star general and former director of the CIA, he probably would have.
 
Tony Stark said:
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http://www.usatoday.com/wlna/opinio...versy-no-comparison-petraeus-column/71421242/

He's lucky he didn't go to prison. If he wasn't a four star general and former director of the CIA, he probably would have.
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That article is your answer? Let me quote another part from it, since you were too lazy or embarrassed to do so:

In sharp contrast, Clinton is not being investigated for knowingly sending or receiving classified materials improperly.

Indeed, the State Department has confirmed that none of the information that has surfaced on Clinton’s server thus far was classified at the time it was sent or received. Additionally, the Justice Department indicated that its inquiry is not a criminal one and that Clinton is not the subject of the inquiry.
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Oh, and if that wasn't enough to shatter completely the article's credibility, there is this:

Anne M. Tompkins is a partner at Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft and former United States attorney for the Western District of North Carolina. She is a donor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign.
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Tony Stark said:
You can't even prove that Hillary committed a crime. On the other hand, the FBI had Petraeus on tape confessing. And then he lied to them about it.
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So that's your criteria, huh? Hillary will never confess to anything. She's a congenital liar and will never confess to anything in contrast to honorable people such as Petraus. Hillary has no morals, not even a hint of any. She has proven that over and over again that she is willing to say or do anything to obtain or keep her version of power. That fact is well documented and refutable.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/...st-news-possible-presidential-campaign-video/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/30/the-clinton-files-is-hillary-a-crook/

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/09/22/hillary-clinton-sick-elderly-crook/

There are hundreds more....
 
PhantomWolf said:
Am I the only one that considers it ironic that had she used the DoS's system for her work emails that they would have been compromised by hackers because their system actually got hacked into,
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No, it's been brought up multiple times, last time was around page 46 IIRC


PhantomWolf said:
yet we're basically being told that what she did was terrible for having a private server because the Government can make a more secure system than a private company can, even though the Government's one was breached.
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The govt does likely have more monitoring, logging, and response capabilities.

PhantomWolf said:
Even more ironically, her server was using encoded communications, the DoS's wasn't.
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I think you mean encrypted ? Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion, but I am sure they both used encrypted communications (ie SSL/TLS) for access.
 
Reheat said:
So that's your criteria, huh? Hillary will never confess to anything. She's a congenital liar and will never confess to anything in contrast to honorable people such as Petraus. Hillary has no morals, not even a hint of any. She has proven that over and over again that she is willing to say or do anything to obtain or keep her version of power. That fact is well documented and refutable.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/...st-news-possible-presidential-campaign-video/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/30/the-clinton-files-is-hillary-a-crook/

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/09/22/hillary-clinton-sick-elderly-crook/

There are hundreds more....
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When questioned by the FBI, Petraeus lied to agents in responding that he had neither improperly stored nor improperly provided classified information to his biographer

Totes honorable. The irony, it burns !!!
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Reheat said:
So that's your criteria, huh? Hillary will never confess to anything. She's a congenital liar and will never confess to anything in contrast to honorable people such as Petraus. Hillary has no morals, not even a hint of any. She has proven that over and over again that she is willing to say or do anything to obtain or keep her version of power. That fact is well documented and refutable.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/...st-news-possible-presidential-campaign-video/

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/30/the-clinton-files-is-hillary-a-crook/

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2015/09/22/hillary-clinton-sick-elderly-crook/

There are hundreds more....
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The point was that Petraeus was caught on tape saying he knew the info he gave his girlfriend was highly classified. Does the FBI have anything like that on Hillary? I know you really, badly want her to go to prison, but I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you.

A married man knowingly giving highly classified info to his mistress and then lying to the FBI about is your idea of honorable? Well, he is a Republican, so I guess that makes up for everything.

Hillary is way more honest than the GOP trash. Who are you going to vote for, the pathological liar, conspiracy theorist Donald Trump?
 
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sunmaster14 said:
That article is your answer? Let me quote another part from it, since you were too lazy or embarrassed to do so:



Oh, and if that wasn't enough to shatter completely the article's credibility, there is this:
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So you are just going to ignore the fact that Petraeus was caught on tape admitting that the info in the books was highly classified because it is inconvenient to your argument? Can't say I am surprised.
 
Tony Stark said:
So you are just going to ignore the fact that Petraeus was caught on tape admitting that the info in the books was highly classified because it is inconvenient to your argument? Can't say I am surprised.
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I thought you were going to show me his confession. The caught on tape stuff, well, I don't know the circumstances surrounding it. His biographer had a top secret security clearance after all. He may not have known that what he was doing was improper. Warning her that the diaries contained highly classified stuff makes sense whether or not she was authorized to receive it.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I thought you were going to show me his confession. The caught on tape stuff, well, I don't know the circumstances surrounding it. His biographer had a top secret security clearance after all. He may not have known that what he was doing was improper. Warning her that the diaries contained highly classified stuff makes sense whether or not she was authorized to receive it.
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Yeah sure, a four star general/director of the CIA didn't know he wasn't supposed to give out info he knew was highly classified. That's why he lied to the FBI about it.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Am I the only one that considers it ironic that had she used the DoS's system for her work emails that they would have been compromised by hackers because their system actually got hacked into, yet we're basically being told that what she did was terrible for having a private server because the Government can make a more secure system than a private company can, even though the Government's one was breached. Even more ironically, her server was using encoded communications, the DoS's wasn't.
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Were actual emails and communications stolen in these hacks, or was it simply discovered that someone hacked into the system, tried to access information, and failed?
 
Jane Sanders thinks it would be nice" if the FBI moved it along"

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jane-sa...-fbi-moved-along-hillary-clinton-email-probe/

"It's an FBI investigation...we want to let it go through without politicizing it and then we'll find out what the situation is and that's how we still feel. I mean, it would be nice if the FBI moved it along," she said with a laugh.

Loretta Lynch will not be hurried, though...
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...be-would-be-undercut-by-a-deadline-lynch-says

The Justice Department hasn’t set a deadline for the investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of private e-mail because doing so would undercut the probe, Attorney General Loretta Lynch said.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
When questioned by the FBI, Petraeus lied to agents in responding that he had neither improperly stored nor improperly provided classified information to his biographer

Totes honorable. The irony, it burns !!!
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What was the question and what did he say? Link?

Two can play your silly juvenile game, you know.

As has been pointed out, she had the Security Clearance. All she didn't have was the "need to know" or so said the FBI.
 
Tony Stark said:
Obama is going to have to pardon Hillary to keep her out of prison? Are you kidding me? If not, surely you are willing to make a bet over it. $100 that Obama does not pardon Hillary.
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You're going to lose track of all these bets.

If there is an indictment, are you seriously planning on ponying up two grand? Are you wealthy?
 
Reheat said:
What was the question and what did he say? Link?
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Really ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...7628dc-bfab-11e5-83d4-42e3bceea902_story.html
In the interview at Langley, the FBI agents also asked the CIA director about secret PowerPoint briefings on the Afghan war that were in Broadwell’s possession. They also asked if he had provided classified information to Broadwell or facilitated her obtaining it. He denied ever doing that — a statement that later led some in the Justice Department to argue that he should be charged with lying to the FBI when it emerged that she had more sensitive material.


Crystal clear, isn't it ?

Reheat said:
Two can play your silly juvenile game, you know.

As has been pointed out, she had the Security Clearance. All she didn't have was the "need to know" or so said the FBI.
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"or so said the FBI" - Those lying bastards !

So it was ok, she had a clearance for that classified info he never provided her ?

:dl:

ROTFLMAO
 
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PhantomWolf said:
Am I the only one that considers it ironic that had she used the DoS's system for her work emails that they would have been compromised by hackers because their system actually got hacked into, yet we're basically being told that what she did was terrible for having a private server because the Government can make a more secure system than a private company can, even though the Government's one was breached. Even more ironically, her server was using encoded communications, the DoS's wasn't.
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I've mentioned this. :)
 
sunmaster14 said:
His mistress was a DOD certified journalist, a major (I think) in the US Army reserves, and had a top secret security clearance. She was working on his authorized biography/hagiography, which the DOD had an obvious interest in encouraging and facilitating.

What was Petraeus' purpose in giving her access to his diaries? To get into her pants? He was no doubt rummaging around in there anyway. I imagine he was trying to help her write a more accurate biography, which is at least a noble goal.

What was Hillary's purpose in setting up a private server from which to do all of her government work? Was it noble? No it was not. It was corrupt from the get-go.

Hillary's crimes are worse.
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I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with this fantasy.
 
TheL8Elvis said:
Really ?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...7628dc-bfab-11e5-83d4-42e3bceea902_story.html
In the interview at Langley, the FBI agents also asked the CIA director about secret PowerPoint briefings on the Afghan war that were in Broadwell’s possession. They also asked if he had provided classified information to Broadwell or facilitated her obtaining it. He denied ever doing that — a statement that later led some in the Justice Department to argue that he should be charged with lying to the FBI when it emerged that she had more sensitive material.


Crystal clear, isn't it ?



"or so said the FBI" - Those lying bastards !

So it was ok, she had a clearance for that classified info he never provided her ?

:dl:

ROTFLMAO
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You still didn't quote what he said. And you don't have an FBI quote either, which you demand for everything related to crooked Hillary. Double standard is obvious.

I'm quite sure that everyone here is totally amused that you think it's awful that Petraus likely lied to the FBI, but you continue to defend Hillary for lies she's told for over 25 years. Many of them have been listed here already and they keep piling up. I can hardly wait until the FBI interviews her. After that, let's continue this conversation. K'
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm sorry you are having such a hard time with this fantasy.
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Fantasy, my derriere. Are you sure you know what a fantasy is? Sure doesn't appear so....

What sunmaster wrote is fact, except for the speculation of why and I'd say he's exactly right.
 
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