Merged No Planer calls for scientific study / Missiles of 9/11

I wasn't aware of anyone else working on anything like the 9/11 Crash Test project and I haven't ever asked for money, but I have turned down that which has been offered. I am doing this to try to leave my grandchildren a world where they won't be sent to war believing an impossible lie.

So what's stopping you? Get to it, do the test. You said you don't need money.

ETA: This is a quote from your "test" site:

I have sent emails to the major 9/11 Truth organizations and I will be sending more again soon. I am calling on all people interested in truth and justice to join forces to conduct this test,

What exactly do you need from them if not money?
 
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I watched as the second plane HIT the tower.

You really don't understand how this works, do you? When a no-planer tells you what you saw, you're supposed to immediately forget what you actually saw and agree that what you saw is what he says you saw. Anybody who doesn't do that has clearly been brainwashed into believing exactly what they're told to believe.

Dave
 
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A not long afterwards they played that video over and over again. The video of the first hit did not play on air until several hours later, by which time the networks had other videos shot by the public, of the hit on WTC 2.

You wouldn't recall any of that, not being out of diapers yet and all.


This is true. The reality is that it was seen Live all over the bloody world.
And yes, was immediately being replayed over and over.
In fact it was replayed so many times that News Broadcasters in The UK agreed with each other to calm down on the replays ,as it was getting too much considering the horrendousness of the day.

That clueless idiots get hardons from peddling their childish lies is pathetic.
They need to grow up, and get a life. Or a job. Or a girlfriend.
 
I wasn't aware of anyone else working on anything like the 9/11 Crash Test project and I haven't ever asked for money, but I have turned down that which has been offered. I am doing this to try to leave my grandchildren a world where they won't be sent to war believing an impossible lie.
Right- you'll leave them with the knowledge that their grandfather believed one. What a legacy...

Besides that, this project is a test to prove once and for all whether a jet's wing could do what they say it can. If you truly believed your tripe you should welcome this test because it would shut up the no planers for good, eh? Same goes for the fully controlled truth movement - you know the ones, AE911T, Judy Wood and the "Israel nuked us!" crowd. If the wing slices through the steel like a hot knife through butter as shown on the TeeVee, then the whole truth movement can go home and the country can focus on kicking terrorists' asses.

But if the wing gets shredded by the steel then all the troops can come home which is a win-win for everyone except those who want war.
The wing will get shredded- but not before it's done the same sort of damage done on 9/11. And the troops still won't come home because of anything Our Hero did. Too bad, so sad...
 
The only "live" videos showed a jet image passing behind the towers followed by an explosion. There were no videos shown live of the jet slicing into the buildings, those all came after the photographers had time to edit-in a jet and edit out whatever really did cut the holes which if the damage evidence is examined with a modicum of honesty indicates was caused by something(s) impacting from the side, causing lateral damage to the steel.

Eyewitnesses can lie or be mistaken and all the videos of the jet impacts have since been proven to be fraudulent seven ways from Sunday anyway, and we all know in the real world mostly hollow aluminum jets can't cut through steel buildings BUT if they COULD the damage would reflect it. But it doesn't.

More likely you don't know what your talking about I saw the impact flashes on the video as well live.
 
Which ones did you see live?

The one with the Aluminothermic flashes from the plane making contact with the steel,
Where the aluminum burns at 3000C in air.

You do know That I personally shot aluminum bullets though 3\4 inch steel plate don't you?
 
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Which ones did you see live?

The one's seen live by millions of people and broadcast on thousands of television stations around the planet with billions of other watching.

I guess they're all in on it too right?

And Santa Clause exists and you own a unicorn that was brought to you by a UFO.

Don't look behind you, BigFoot is there, but you can't see him, he's invisible.
 
The one with the Aluminothermic flashes from the plane making contact with the steel,
Where the aluminum burns at 3000C in air.

You do know That I personally shot aluminum bullets though 3\4 inch steel plate don't you?

I was hoping you would provide a link - you know, CBS, CNN?

How is an aluminum jet like an aluminum bullet? Doesn't the bullet work by focusing its mass and velocity on a small point of impact?
 
The one's seen live by millions of people and broadcast on thousands of television stations around the planet with billions of other watching.

I guess they're all in on it too right?

And Santa Clause exists and you own a unicorn that was brought to you by a UFO.

Don't look behind you, BigFoot is there, but you can't see him, he's invisible.

If you remember it so well you should be able to provide the link.
 
This is true. The reality is that it was seen Live all over the bloody world.
And yes, was immediately being replayed over and over.
In fact it was replayed so many times that News Broadcasters in The UK agreed with each other to calm down on the replays ,as it was getting too much considering the horrendousness of the day.

That clueless idiots get hardons from peddling their childish lies is pathetic.
They need to grow up, and get a life. Or a job. Or a girlfriend.

Then provide the link to the video you watched. I assume you can't speak for the whole world, so I'm just asking for what broadcast you watched.

The repetition is what caused people to believe they saw it all happen live. It's not so subtle brainwashing.
 
Right- you'll leave them with the knowledge that their grandfather believed one. What a legacy...


The wing will get shredded- but not before it's done the same sort of damage done on 9/11. And the troops still won't come home because of anything Our Hero did. Too bad, so sad...

You couldn't give a rat's ass about the troops or the truth and my grandchildren think I'm the cat's pajamas.

How about you, what is it that gives your life meaning?
 
You really don't understand how this works, do you? When a no-planer tells you what you saw, you're supposed to immediately forget what you actually saw and agree that what you saw is what he says you saw. Anybody who doesn't do that has clearly been brainwashed into believing exactly what they're told to believe.

Dave

The plane huggers can't explain how the damage is consistent with the impact of a jet. It is they who insist that what they saw on the TeeVee is what actually happened. It is I who says that if it happened that way then the damage would reflect it. But it doesn't.

It's because you guys don't have a leg to stand on that you refuse to address the damage - you know, the writing on the wall.
 
The plane huggers can't explain how the damage is consistent with the impact of a jet. It is they who insist that what they saw on the TeeVee is what actually happened. It is I who says that if it happened that way then the damage would reflect it. But it doesn't.

It's because you guys don't have a leg to stand on that you refuse to address the damage - you know, the writing on the wall.

Thousands of eyewitnesses weren't watching "TeeVee".

You know NYC has a lot of folks up and about at eight in the morning, right?
 
I was hoping you would provide a link - you know, CBS, CNN?

How is an aluminum jet like an aluminum bullet? Doesn't the bullet work by focusing its mass and velocity on a small point of impact?

No it works by it's momentum and the fact that Aluminum like depleted uranium ignites on impact and vaporizes steel.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/may/18/armstrade.kosovo

Aluminum is also covered in Aluminum Oxide the 9 on the hardness scale, right next to Diamond at Ten.

http://911review.com/errors/phantom/flash.html
 
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If you remember it so well you should be able to provide the link.

No wonder you guys can't get a new investigation. You're too lazy to do your own work:

https://www.google.ca/?ion=1&espv=2#q=9/11+plane+crashes&tbm=vid

These are roughly 300 000 broadcasts or videos captured that day and don't include the thousands who witnessed it live in person.

I take it you haven't contacted any of those people either? Of course not, that would mean you'd have to enter the real world and we can't have that now, can we.
 
Then provide the link to the video you watched. I assume you can't speak for the whole world, so I'm just asking for what broadcast you watched.

The repetition is what caused people to believe they saw it all happen live. It's not so subtle brainwashing.

And you were asked to remind us where you saw it all. And when.
 
The plane huggers can't explain how the damage is consistent with the impact of a jet. It is they who insist that what they saw on the TeeVee is what actually happened. It is I who says that if it happened that way then the damage would reflect it. But it doesn't.

It's because you guys don't have a leg to stand on that you refuse to address the damage - you know, the writing on the wall.

False. Falsity falsity false false false. Every single sentence of your post is totally and completely the opposite of not false.

Just to start with, your unsupported assertions require not one Finite Element Analysis of WTC impact to be false, but every FEA of WTC impact done by any one, anywhere, any time until the heat death of the universe.

It is insufficient to merely wave your hands at the FEA dataset. You need to actively counter the dataset with another dataset of equal veracity.

Then you need to prove the impact scar in the exact size, shape and location and flight attitude of the jumbo jet filmed impacting the building from 20+ different ages and distances could not be created by a jumbo jet.

Merely waving your hands at the film, photo and video dataset is insufficient. Asserting that video "coulda been" faked is insufficient. The entire dataset stands as an internally and externally consistent record of events. You need to actually provide proof that the entire dataset is invalid.

And then you need to explain how the NWO Garden Gnomes managed to prevent the entirety of a population of 5 million potential eye witnesses from filming, photographing or videotaping the most visually impressive news event to occur on North American soil, ever. Because if all the video is fake, then by default zero non-fake video is in circulation.

And then you need to demonstrate mathematically the results of the impact of a single gram of aluminum into a steel plate at 500mph. This would be Finite Element Analysis, and calculating a single point by hand should prove informative. Be sure to use the sheer strength and modulus of elasticity for the correct alloys. This answer is worth 50% of your grade.
 
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You couldn't give a rat's ass about the troops or the truth and my grandchildren think I'm the cat's pajamas.

How about you, what is it that gives your life meaning?

Nice story bro.

So you must be about 150 years old and the grandkids are in their 90's?

I'm as old as the hills of Sicily and I don't think anything is the cat's pjs.
 
You couldn't give a rat's ass about the troops or the truth and my grandchildren think I'm the cat's pajamas.

How about you, what is it that gives your life meaning?

Well, there you go- the sneering self-righteousness of someone who's let an ideological fixation determine reality, rather than let reality fix the ideology, and who assumes thereby that anyone who doesn't share the fixation must necessarily lead less meaningful lives. There's BT in the numerology and prayer threads, and Daniel in the creationism thread, with their fixations and the same effect- distortions of reality that make them as holier-than-thou as yankee. And the same long-term result- schools will not stop teaching the TOE because of anything Daniel says, BT's numerology will only ever be a thing among the numerologically inclined- and not one single troop will ever come home because of anything yankee ever does. Congratulations, yankee- your grandkids might think you're the bee's knees, but you're about as actually useful as a creationist.

And I might add another group of folks to that. Back when Bush invaded Iraq on the pretext of WMDs (which was at least more plausible in reality than anything yankee needs to be true for his "Truth"), I was one of the very few people here in south MS who stood up and opposed it; almost everyone, including most of my family, did the "America, **** yeah!" dance, and anyone who didn't share that fixation and fervor was shouted down, made a pariah, and assumed to be a lesser creature, with less meaning in their lives. Ironically, when it comes to "care about the troops" and political leanings, I'm probably closer to yankee than he thinks; and, in his similarity to the folks who sneered at anyone who opposed their political purity in committment to war, he's more like them than he's ever likely to realize or be able to admit if he does.
 
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I wasn't aware of anyone else working on anything like the 9/11 Crash Test project and I haven't ever asked for money, but I have turned down that which has been offered. I am doing this to try to leave my grandchildren a world where they won't be sent to war believing an impossible lie.

Besides that, this project is a test to prove once and for all whether a jet's wing could do what they say it can. If you truly believed your tripe you should welcome this test because it would shut up the no planers for good, eh? Same goes for the fully controlled truth movement - you know the ones, AE911T, Judy Wood and the "Israel nuked us!" crowd. If the wing slices through the steel like a hot knife through butter as shown on the TeeVee, then the whole truth movement can go home and the country can focus on kicking terrorists' asses.

But if the wing gets shredded by the steel then all the troops can come home which is a win-win for everyone except those who want war.

Better be quick, someone else might steal your thunder with a full scale demonstration :)

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/lifes...tiser&utm_medium=Facebook#load-story-comments

According to The Sun, Paul Salo, who now lives in Thailand, has revealed his plans to purchase a Boeing 747 for the sole purpose of putting it on auto pilot and smashing it into the side of a vacant building, in the countryside at 900km per hour.
 
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Better be quick, someone else might steal your thunder with a full scale demonstration :)

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/lifes...tiser&utm_medium=Facebook#load-story-comments

I know! I think this is awesome - someone else forcing 9/11 into the consciousnesses of the slumbering masses. I spoke with Paul a couple days ago - his test will not prove anything beyond whether crash dynamics are visible on impact, whether the jet can reach 500 MPH at that altitude and if so whether it can even hit the building at that speed, or not. But who cares? It's free advertising!

:D:thumbsup::D:thumbsup::D:thumbsup:
 
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Steve: I've asked you several times for your numerical argument. Still waiting.
 
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So what's stopping you? Get to it, do the test. You said you don't need money.

ETA: This is a quote from your "test" site:



What exactly do you need from them if not money?

That was my attempt to collect volunteers, but of course I need money for the test. For the last couple of years I have been busy building my house, but now that Paul Salo has brought the subject into the mainstream, I am ready to start begging for money. Big step. You should start by donating a thousand dollars, because in your world the wing will sever the steel columns like a hot knife through butter, proving me wrong and forcing truthers to stop tilting windmills. That is if you've got the courage of your convictions.
 
Whatever your name is, none of you, not one, can use physics to back up your tripe. So you first.

Horse shirts.

Finite Element Analysis performed by actual scientists using actual computers fed with actual structural and metallurgical values disagree with you. You wave the word "physics" around without understanding it.

A single gram of aluminum (any alloy, your choice) impacting a 1/4" plate of steel at 500 mph and decelerating instantly on contact will impart how much force on the steel plate? Use foot pounds or metric measurements as you like, I can convert back and forth.
 
Horse shirts.

Finite Element Analysis performed by actual scientists using actual computers fed with actual structural and metallurgical values disagree with you. You wave the word "physics" around without understanding it.

A single gram of aluminum (any alloy, your choice) impacting a 1/4" plate of steel at 500 mph and decelerating instantly on contact will impart how much force on the steel plate? Use foot pounds or metric measurements as you like, I can convert back and forth.

Not to forget that in centuries past knights stopped wearing steel armor as lead bullets proved very capable of penetrating it.
 
That was my attempt to collect volunteers, but of course I need money for the test. For the last couple of years I have been busy building my house, but now that Paul Salo has brought the subject into the mainstream, I am ready to start begging for money. Big step. You should start by donating a thousand dollars, because in your world the wing will sever the steel columns like a hot knife through butter, proving me wrong and forcing truthers to stop tilting windmills. That is if you've got the courage of your convictions.
He didn't do well with the fundraising.

Why do you expect to do better?
 
Horse shirts.

Finite Element Analysis performed by actual scientists using actual computers fed with actual structural and metallurgical values disagree with you. You wave the word "physics" around without understanding it.

A single gram of aluminum (any alloy, your choice) impacting a 1/4" plate of steel at 500 mph and decelerating instantly on contact will impart how much force on the steel plate? Use foot pounds or metric measurements as you like, I can convert back and forth.

1/2 inch daddy-o, and of course the finite element analysis will be open to public scrutiny, but it will be based on the actual construction of the tower at the point of impact and the way the wing would have impacted it.
 
He didn't do well with the fundraising.

Why do you expect to do better?

Haven't started the fundraising. I have a life too you know, real job, sold a house, bought property, building another. Stuff takes time, but you shouldn't assume. You know what happens when you assume. You make an a@@ out of yourself ;-)

I am working with a few volunteers, one an engineer and another a physicist, as well as a sympathetic engineering firm to do the analysis. Fundraising to begin soon. You willing to put your money where your mouth is?
 
Well, there you go- the sneering self-righteousness of someone who's let an ideological fixation determine reality, rather than let reality fix the ideology, and who assumes thereby that anyone who doesn't share the fixation must necessarily lead less meaningful lives. There's BT in the numerology and prayer threads, and Daniel in the creationism thread, with their fixations and the same effect- distortions of reality that make them as holier-than-thou as yankee. And the same long-term result- schools will not stop teaching the TOE because of anything Daniel says, BT's numerology will only ever be a thing among the numerologically inclined- and not one single troop will ever come home because of anything yankee ever does. Congratulations, yankee- your grandkids might think you're the bee's knees, but you're about as actually useful as a creationist.

And I might add another group of folks to that. Back when Bush invaded Iraq on the pretext of WMDs (which was at least more plausible in reality than anything yankee needs to be true for his "Truth"), I was one of the very few people here in south MS who stood up and opposed it; almost everyone, including most of my family, did the "America, **** yeah!" dance, and anyone who didn't share that fixation and fervor was shouted down, made a pariah, and assumed to be a lesser creature, with less meaning in their lives. Ironically, when it comes to "care about the troops" and political leanings, I'm probably closer to yankee than he thinks; and, in his similarity to the folks who sneered at anyone who opposed their political purity in committment to war, he's more like them than he's ever likely to realize or be able to admit if he does.

My god, a wall of text attempting to associate me with all sorts of drivel I have nothing to do with. So this is what gives your life meaning? You poor chap!
 
How much longer will we need to wait for you to actually put numbers on paper and show me a a single FEA data point? I've asked and asked and you even quote my latest up thread as if you understand it.

Waiting is waiting, I guess.
 
How much longer will we need to wait for you to actually put numbers on paper and show me a a single FEA data point? I've asked and asked and you even quote my latest up thread as if you understand it.

Waiting is waiting, I guess.

Hold your breath. It'll be like Christmas.
 
Haven't started the fundraising. ...
Four year of procrastination based on a fantasy of missiles because there is an ignorance of physics, unable to understand planes crashed into the WTC. Ignoring proof of Radar, Video, Witnesses it was planes, and making up the dumbest claim about 9/11 for the ages. A unique claim, a most insane claim. I think the procrastination is dovetailing with the incredibly stupid claim. How can you act on something so

I have a life too you know, real job, sold a house, bought property, building another. ...
Mocking the murder of thousands at the hands of 19 terrorists you claim with some delusional fantasy of missiles never existed. Making fun of people who burned to death, some who jumped, and claiming they were fake. A sick demented claim of missiles, what a life you have.

Wow, you have the biggest story since Watergate, an inside job, a hoax to expose; yet you have time to do BS stuff instead of saving us from the evil empire in your fantasy world. Wow, how important is your fantasy? It is not, you lie about 9/11.

Better get back to your life, your fantasy version of 9/11 must be a secret to those in your life; and have you told the families of the people murdered on
9/11 they were not real; I have to be there when you tell a family member your story about 9/11. It might go like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wcrkxOgzhU
Stuff takes time, but you shouldn't assume....
No time was take to make up the idiotic missile fantasy you assumed based on zero knowledge of physics.

You know what happens when you assume. ... ...
When you assume it comes out as missiles and more lies about 9/11.

I am working with a few volunteers, one an engineer and another a physicist, as well as a sympathetic engineering firm to do the analysis. ...
Is this a cluster who believe in the delusional missile fantasy?

Fundraising to begin soon. ...
Check is in the mail.

You willing to put your money where your mouth is?
Already did it. Mom, Dad, USAF sent me engineering school, a masters in Engineering, I had take and use physics. I see your claims are idiotic claptrap without using physics, and physics makes your claims look dumber. Mom, Dad, and the USAF put money into my education, it has not failed me; whereas your education either failed or you failed to gain a practical knowledge of physics. The sad part about money and mouth, a grade school education gives all the tools required to see the idiotic missile scenario is a fantasy, bad fiction, aka a lie born in a zero physics environment.

How can you make up the missile lie, it is absurd? Wait, I got the answer; because it takes not time to make up a lie, it is fantasy.
 

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