Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part V

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The Pentagon Papers were published, and no one went to prison for that except Ellsberg.

ETA: He actually didn't go to prison; a mistrial was declared after the burglary at Ellsberg's shrink's office.

Thanks much. That is just the point.

While Ellsberg did get into serious trouble for stealing the Pentagon Papers, however the various people who published the Pentagon Papers did not have such problems.
 
Wow!

The 'blame the media!' game strikes again.


It reminds me of the time that I cited Snopes to debunk a long-discredited myth about President Obama someone was repeating, and they dismissed Snopes as a left-wing propaganda site secretly funded by George Soros.
 
It should be noted that there are studies indicating a liberal bias in the media. Those studies (could only find one, but I'll give sunmaster the benefit of the doubt) are from the mid 'noughts. I also found a study from 2014 indicating that there is no discernible bias in media.

Given the fact that there are studies pointing either way, I'd say it's very controversial to claim that there's a bias in news media in either direction. Evidence is thus needed.
"What Liberal Media - The Truth About Bias and the News" by Eric Alterman
 
I hadn't heard the Maples rumor previously, but it occurs to me that she would probably be within her rights to release the return, since it's a joint one.

She may not have broken the law, but she may have violated her divorce settlement. That could be a costly decision.
 
Trump is sparking fears of a rigged election.

He also has no presidential ground game. Trump forums are disinterested. You go to a Democrat site and they always talk about phone banking. The Trump forum just yell "landslide".

We don't know how much gotv efforts drive over or under performance compared to polls. If they matter, and Trump loses, we may see one of the largest poll vs results discrepancies. While the Occam's razor solution should point to ground game, we could instead have terrifying fuel for claims of rigged election.
 
That strikes me as an awfully convenient rumor for the New York Times, which arguably committed a crime by publishing illegally obtained personal tax information.

Have you forgot that the NY Times published the Pentagon Papers? It's not a crime.
 
You could have read Forbes or any of many other publications back in the 90s to know that. Just so you understand what an NOL carryforward is I should point out that we don't know if he lost the money in one year or several years. For that matter we also don't know if he lost more and had already used some of it.

That you could have found the info elsewhere is irrelevant.
 
Have you forgot that the NY Times published the Pentagon Papers? It's not a crime.
More importantly, The New York Times has plenty of lawyers who are experts on what newspapers can and can't do, and someone from the legal department almost certainly clears any story that includes the release of potentially privileged documents.
 
Know better than to sexually harass women. Especially those they work with.

Is this really such a hard concept? Is it so very very difficult for men you know to interact with attractive women as humans rather than as breast support systems?

No men I know do this, they're good Christian men. I do see it from average hard working men, but mostly from liberal young men. They seem to have been taught sex anywhere, anytime and with anyone is quite normal. Wonder where they learned that from?

When you teach young men these things, yeah they're going to look at women as she objects. Maybe you can thank the predator in chief for that. ;)
 
More importantly, The New York Times has plenty of lawyers who are experts on what newspapers can and can't do, and someone from the legal department almost certainly clears any story that includes the release of potentially privileged documents.

The two reporters were interviewed (I think on MSNBC) and discussed the vetting they went through. They said that the threat of legal action from Trump (or anyone else) was in the noise of things they worried about. Unfortunately, they didn't elaborate on what part of the vetting they did worry about.
 
No men I know do this, they're good Christian men. I do see it from average hard working men, but mostly from liberal young men. They seem to have been taught sex anywhere, anytime and with anyone is quite normal. Wonder where they learned that from?

When you teach young men these things, yeah they're going to look at women as she objects. Maybe you can thank the predator in chief for that. ;)

Your "leader" is a 70 year old pig who wants badly wants to bang his own daughter and somehow it is the liberals' fault.

LOL
 
No men I know do this, they're good Christian men. I do see it from average hard working men, but mostly from liberal young men. They seem to have been taught sex anywhere, anytime and with anyone is quite normal. Wonder where they learned that from?

When you teach young men these things, yeah they're going to look at women as she objects. Maybe you can thank the predator in chief for that. ;)

Well I guess with your keen eye for detail, then you must have missed the news that has been circulating for about the last 40 years where it was clearly shown that there have been quite a few Catholic priests and nuns who were terrible sexual abusers.

:rolleyes:
 
Have you forgot that the NY Times published the Pentagon Papers? It's not a crime.

No I haven't forgotten. Clearly you don't understand that case. Not only are the circumstances completely different (uncovering evidence of wrongdoing by the government is one of the main reasons we have a right to freedom of the press), but the question of illegality was never even litigated, let alone resolved. The question before the courts was about prior restraint of publication, and the Supreme Court actually ended up saying, essentially, that it depends on the specific facts and circumstances.
 
The two reporters were interviewed (I think on MSNBC) and discussed the vetting they went through. They said that the threat of legal action from Trump (or anyone else) was in the noise of things they worried about. Unfortunately, they didn't elaborate on what part of the vetting they did worry about.
As far as the law is concerned, if the legal eagles say it's OK your arse is fireproof. Establishing authenticity is another matter, of course.
 
No men I know do this, they're good Christian men. I do see it from average hard working men, but mostly from liberal young men. They seem to have been taught sex anywhere, anytime and with anyone is quite normal. Wonder where they learned that from?

Interesting that you think the behavior of the GOP nominee is indicative of liberal ideals run amok.

Either way, we agree that such behavior is reprehensible for any good man, and certainly not acceptable from a candidate to higher office?

When you teach young men these things, yeah they're going to look at women as she objects. Maybe you can thank the predator in chief for that. ;)

I doubt Trump is going to win.
 
Here is a good analysis which supports my position:

The New York Times just published Donald Trump’s tax returns without his “affirmative authorization” as required by law. (See IRS Publication 4639). This violates the plain language of the law, and is considered criminal if “willful.” In tax laws in general, and First Amendment cases as well, courts compel a definition of willful that requires the individual know the law and know the law prohibits them from doing what they did. Here is where The New York Times runs into true trouble.

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Notably, the Supreme Court left open whether The New York Times could have been prosecuted from publishing the Pentagon Papers, but at least there, the Times did not knowingly violate a specific criminal statute and promise to do so in advance of receiving the documents. The D.C. Circuit, in the McDermott case, implied the law did not allow a newspaper to publish material it knew, and admitted it knew, was obtained unlawfully, when a specific law prohibited its publishing.

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... the First Amendment does not protect the open solicitation and promise to publish stolen, statute-protected, private documents. The statute, like the statute found constitutional in McDermott, protects Trump’s right to the privacy of his free speech. Free speech isn’t free if it can’t be private. The First Amendment thus protects “freedom not to speak publicly, to speak only privately,” as the D.C. Circuit acknowledged in the McDermott case. Even liberal leaning publications like the Huffington Post acknowledged that a journalist cannot use the First Amendment as a shield to solicit a crime. As Baquet admitted at the Harvard Forum, the New York Times executive editor would advocate “crossing a line” (Woodward’s words) if it concerned Trump’s tax returns.
 
When you teach young men these things, yeah they're going to look at women as she objects. Maybe you can thank the predator in chief for that. ;)
And there was no racism in Ohio before Obama was elected. Everybody knows that.

I've worked in offices since the late 70's and seen the enormous change for the better in men's behaviour and attitudes. It's not universal, of course, but expected standards of behaviour are vastly higher.

It's not expected from lowlifes like Trump, of course.
 
Not almost certainly. Absolutely certainly.
I included the weasel word to account for the remote possibility that the editor-in-chief may want to get a story online immediately to get the jump on competitors. But yes, I think you're probably right. ;)
 
Excellent! Sue the NYT!

(It's still a true story though. The damage is done. Sorry!)

Actually, most of the commentary on this is not true. The NY Times has published so much obviously wrong information that I suspect their fact checkers are on strike. As pointed out in another thread, they don't even seem to understand the difference between taxes and taxable income.

As for damage? I predict none. I think it's pretty pathetic that the mainstream media is trying to blow this up into something important. I doubt it's because they're hoping it has legs. I think the main motivation is to distract from all of the evidence coming out about how the FBI has been so thoroughly corrupted that it gave Hillary a pass on the email scandal.
 
Actually, most of the commentary on this is not true. The NY Times has published so much obviously wrong information that I suspect their fact checkers are on strike. As pointed out in another thread, they don't even seem to understand the difference between taxes and taxable income.

As for damage? I predict none. I think it's pretty pathetic that the mainstream media is trying to blow this up into something important. I doubt it's because they're hoping it has legs. I think the main motivation is to distract from all of the evidence coming out about how the FBI has been so thoroughly corrupted that it gave Hillary a pass on the email scandal.

LOL
 
Actually, most of the commentary on this is not true. The NY Times has published so much obviously wrong information that I suspect their fact checkers are on strike. As pointed out in another thread, they don't even seem to understand the difference between taxes and taxable income.

As for damage? I predict none. I think it's pretty pathetic that the mainstream media is trying to blow this up into something important. I doubt it's because they're hoping it has legs. I think the main motivation is to distract from all of the evidence coming out about how the FBI has been so thoroughly corrupted that it gave Hillary a pass on the email scandal.

:dl:

I'm enjoying this October Surprise!
 
Well I guess with your keen eye for detail, then you must have missed the news that has been circulating for about the last 40 years where it was clearly shown that there have been quite a few Catholic priests and nuns who were terrible sexual abusers.

:rolleyes:

So all Christians are sexual abusers? You're analogy is typical of the left.
 
Interesting that you think the behavior of the GOP nominee is indicative of liberal ideals run amok.

What do you think is going to happen when sex is encouraged so much by your side?
Either way, we agree that such behavior is reprehensible for any good man, and certainly not acceptable from a candidate to higher office?

From the right yes, but your side has already elected a sexual predator and now is about to elect his wife who enabled him.

I doubt Trump is going to win.
You seriously want to compare Trumps allegedly ogling of women to Bill Clintons known and admitted sexual conquests?
 
What do you think is going to happen when sex is encouraged so much by your side?


From the right yes, but your side has already elected a sexual predator and now is about to elect his wife who enabled him.


You seriously want to compare Trumps allegedly ogling of women to Bill Clintons known and admitted sexual conquests?
Bill Clinton isn't running and your "leader" has had affairs too.

I hope your "leader" brings this up at the next debate. It will make him look stupid, vindictive, and hypocritical while making Hillary look sympathetic.
 
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And there was no racism in Ohio before Obama was elected. Everybody knows that.

Why bring up Ohio?
I've worked in offices since the late 70's and seen the enormous change for the better in men's behaviour and attitudes. It's not universal, of course, but expected standards of behaviour are vastly higher.

Agreed, but it didn't come from your side.
It's not expected from lowlifes like Trump, of course.

But is expected from lowlifes like Clinton and his madam?
 
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