Trump runs for POTUS/ Trumped Up! Part VI

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Yes, and they didn't endorse Trump, warning that he was a potential disaster for the country and their party.

Agreed, for the most part.

Some otherwise decent folk were so concerned about the Supreme Court that they backed Trump. I think this was unwise and largely unprincipled (I don't consider party loyalty a deep principle). I don't condone their choice.
 
Here is a weird question

Tim O'Brien is the author of Trump nation. He reviewed Trump tax returns in 2005 as part of a libel case. He has a court gag order.

Is he a bad human being for not breaking the gag order? Should he be pilloried for this?


Given that there doesn't appear to be any illegality in Trump not paying taxes, I'd have to say no.

Steve S
 
How about this for a scenario...

Trump is pressured to drop out of the race and does so, perhaps seeing it as a way to avoid the humiliation of a big loss.

The Republican Party begins a process to affect a write-in campaign.

They could select Mike Pence or Paul Ryan or someone else.

All Republican voters would be urged to write in the party's choice.

I think that could actually be a winning strategy. I would never vote for Trump but would for Ryan. I don't currently know enough about Pence to make an informed decision.

Is there any fatal flaw in that scenario? Not talking about the two above names specifically, but the general concept.
 
It's way too little too late, but it's probably the best they could do right now.

The biggest problem is I see zero chance that Trump would "go away" if the party dropped him. He's still keep be in the public eye, still making an ass of himself and despite disassociating themselves from the GOP would still be connected with him in the minds of the voters. Best case (politically speaking) is he splits the vote with him keeping his cult of personality supporters and the more traditional GOP members going with whoever the replacement is, which be lead a landslide for the Democratic Party.

They've lost this election. Any damage control at this point is either to save face or long term plans for recovery.
 
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How is that a double standard? Were we not supposed to elect Bill Clinton for things he did after he was elected? Or are we supposed to elect Trump despite his admitted behavior, revealed prior to the election, because Clinton was accused, after having been elected, of behaving similarly?
Did you not read my prior posts? There's no pass for Trump RE: what he said or did. He needs to put the issue to rest of risk having his campaign fried. What Bill Clinton did does not excuse him. References to Bill only serve to point out precedent that people are far too willing to ignore the past behavior and retain those folks in office if it's their own party. Be that comparison as it may, what Trump said was still stupid and I'm not going to pull my punches for that. Trump's mentality always seems to be that any publicity is good publicity. That mentality he'll find out doesn't apply so cleanly in a political arena.

The repercussions Bill had to deal with were obviously different since he was a sitting 2nd term president at the time. If a comparison is to be elaborated, then the comparable to his case is the partisan lean in the impeachment proceedings that were carried out during that time. Which would suggest at the very least the democrats in congress didn't see it as enough of an issue to move the proceedings ahead. His approval ratings after the scandal would indicate that voters, didn't have much to say about his activities either at the time. Hence my point of the double standard.
 
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How about this for a scenario...]
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Is there any fatal flaw in that scenario? Not talking about the two above names specifically, but the general concept.

Trump's diehard supporters would probably vote for him just to spite the GOP.

Steve S
 
I'm not sure whether the nation would have been best served by removing Clinton from office.

In hindsight, I think it would have. Not for anything Clinton did, but it would have given Gore a chance to change his cold-oatmeal image and not lose his second term to Bush, and not have gotten us into a poorly-conceived and ultimately failed power grab in Iraq.
 
How about this for a scenario...

Trump is pressured to drop out of the race and does so, perhaps seeing it as a way to avoid the humiliation of a big loss.

The Republican Party begins a process to affect a write-in campaign.

They could select Mike Pence or Paul Ryan or someone else.

All Republican voters would be urged to write in the party's choice.

I think that could actually be a winning strategy. I would never vote for Trump but would for Ryan. I don't currently know enough about Pence to make an informed decision.
Is there any fatal flaw in that scenario? Not talking about the two above names specifically, but the general concept.

Yep. A succesful national write in campaign? Borderline impossible.

There have been successful write in campaigns. Most for primary elrctions. But the problem is that you are dealing with a myriad of 50 different State election laws. Some which require a write in candidate to be registered well ahead of the election. Then there is the issue of other people with the same name. How does the people counting ballots know which Marco Rubio in the country you're referring to? Some of this sounds silly but nevertheless are issues.

Also, depending on how they are politically inclined, some jurisdictions make it easy and others make it much harder. For example in some places, they have allowed candidates to providing voters with stickers they could affix to a ballot instead of writing a name. In other places that would make the ballot invalid.

But beyond all that, I can't I see the GOP getting it together quick enough.
 
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Trump's diehard supporters would probably vote for him just to spite the GOP.

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Probably.

Unless there was a strong, clear endorsement by Trump of the selected candidate. Even then...

If this whole fiasco was, in fact, foreseen in that pre-announcement phone call between Bill Clinton and Trump, maybe it's all going exactly according to plan.
 
How about this for a scenario...

Trump is pressured to drop out of the race and does so, perhaps seeing it as a way to avoid the humiliation of a big loss.

The Republican Party begins a process to affect a write-in campaign.

They could select Mike Pence or Paul Ryan or someone else.

All Republican voters would be urged to write in the party's choice.

I think that could actually be a winning strategy. I would never vote for Trump but would for Ryan. I don't currently know enough about Pence to make an informed decision.

Is there any fatal flaw in that scenario? Not talking about the two above names specifically, but the general concept.

I'm sure someone else already posted last's cold open for SNL. I loved the part where a solemn reporter asked if Trump should drop out of the race and Kate McKinnon's Clinton reaches out to the camera in panic, "No, no, no, no! Give him a shot."
 
Absolutely, now how about we talk about Trump openly claiming to have bribed politicians, or maybe his fraud trial? Or attacking a Gold Star family? Hey about the fact that the Russian Ambassador to the UN felt the need to rush to his defence when he was criticized for his racist/xenophobic remarks? Is he going to 'build the wall', and who is going to pay for it? How about his super secret plan to beat ISIS, or his open suggestion he wouldn't support some of the NATO allies against Russia? Is he still planning to ban all Muslims entering the US or just subject them to 'extreme vetting'? Would he allow the water boarding of prisoners and other methods of torture? How about his plan to rip up all those trade deals the US signed?


Yeah, well ...

Aside from that.

That's all just nitpicking, anyway. We need to focus on the really important stuff.

EMAILS!!! BENGHAZI!!! BILL!!!

Oh, wait.

Maybe Bill isn't such a good example after all.


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Maybe Trump's best strategy tonight would just be to keep hollering;

"WRONG!!! EMAILS!!! BENGHAZI!!!"

over and over again at every opportunity and not say anything else at all.

It couldn't hurt him any worse than if he is allowed to compose answers to anything extemporaneously.
 
How about this for a scenario...

Trump is pressured to drop out of the race and does so, perhaps seeing it as a way to avoid the humiliation of a big loss.

The Republican Party begins a process to affect a write-in campaign.

They could select Mike Pence or Paul Ryan or someone else.

All Republican voters would be urged to write in the party's choice.

I think that could actually be a winning strategy. I would never vote for Trump but would for Ryan. I don't currently know enough about Pence to make an informed decision.

Is there any fatal flaw in that scenario? Not talking about the two above names specifically, but the general concept.


With only 30 days until the election does that give Trump's core supporters enough time to learn how to write?

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References to Bill only serve to point out precedent that people are far too willing to ignore the past behavior and retain those folks in office if it's their own party.

Again, the distinction here is allegation vs admission.

Show me Clinton bragging about sexually assaulting women and Democrats rallying behind him, and I'll concede that there's a double standard.

Until then, it's a false equivalency.
 


I especially liked this part;

Mr. Christie and Mr. Priebus told Mr. Trump that the situation with other Republicans was becoming dire. Other advisers assured Mr. Trump that attacking Mrs. Clinton over her husband’s behavior with women, and over reports that she had defended his behavior, would help rally Republicans again.

Yeah. That'll be sure fire. We can only hope he listens to them.

Did Trump actually work at finding advisors who are this stupid? I don't think random chance would explain it.


And in a related article linked to by this one there was this interesting tidbit;

In a brief telephone interview on Saturday, he shrugged off the calls to leave, saying he would “never drop out of this race in a million years.”
“I haven’t heard from anyone saying I should drop out, and that would never happen, never happen,” Mr. Trump said. “That’s not the kind of person I am. I am in this until the end.”


Yeah. Right. Of course he hasn't.

Is he even capable of being honest?

At all?
 
Okay and?

What are our jaws supposed to drop at the possibility that Clinton is using this for political gain?

So now Hillary can pull some skullduggery that can force the other party to nominate a candidate against their will.

Jesus why is this woman even running for President instead of just seizing dictatorship over the entire globe? She's' a one woman Illuminati.

So wait Hillary Clinton might be using this to her political advantage. *Shocked face* Oh dear someone get me some smelling salts before I pass out from the vapors and need half a white Valium while I lie down on my fainting couch.

I'll take the dirty political skullduggery over the insane racist sexual assaulter.

We'll deal with the system that left these two turds as only choice later but for now I'll go for the one that polishes up better and doesn't grab women in the kitty cat.

This indicated to me she's a better politician than sometimes given credit for. My post didn't really have anything to do with the latest crap from Trump.
 
Sunday talk
SOTU: C̶h̶r̶i̶s̶t̶i̶e̶ Rudy
This Week : P̶r̶i̶e̶b̶u̶s̶ Rudy
Fox Sunday: C̶o̶n̶w̶a̶y̶ Rudy
MTP: C̶o̶n̶w̶a̶y̶ Rudy
FTN: Rudy

New Term:

Full Rudy - when you have only one surrogate willing to go on TV.

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Sunday talk
SOTU: C̶h̶r̶i̶s̶t̶i̶e̶ Rudy
This Week : P̶r̶i̶e̶b̶u̶s̶ Rudy
Fox Sunday: C̶o̶n̶w̶a̶y̶ Rudy
MTP: C̶o̶n̶w̶a̶y̶ Rudy
FTN: Rudy

New Term:

Full Rudy - when you have only one surrogate willing to go on TV.

They went full Rudy?!?!!?. Man, never go full Rudy!
 
Here is a weird question

Tim O'Brien is the author of Trump nation. He reviewed Trump tax returns in 2005 as part of a libel case. He has a court gag order.

Is he a bad human being for not breaking the gag order? Should he be pilloried for this?

For Trump supporters, I am interested in the question in the abstract. If you reversed the scenario, how would you feel about someone letting a gag order from stopping them from saving the nation?
If that's the same guy I saw interviewed, he implied the problem without crossing the line. He suggested a person such as Trump might be hiding his income sources, his lack of charity, his lack of income and lack of paying taxes. Given the leaked state tax forms corroborated the last two, I'd say it's an easy guess what Trump's tax forms would reveal.
 
It's looking like a landslide for Not Bill Clinton.

I suppose something bizarre could happen, and somehow salvage it, but that seems almost impossible.

The only question left seems to be how Trump will handle it.

I suspect he is feeling betrayed by the party, and he'll go down in such a way as to do as much damage to them as he can.

It should be fun to watch.
 
I suppose something bizarre could happen, and somehow salvage it, but that seems almost impossible.

The only question left seems to be how Trump will handle it.

I suspect he is feeling betrayed by the party, and he'll go down in such a way as to do as much damage to them as he can.

It should be fun to watch.

Betrayed by the party? In a way, I guess. I mean, they knew he was low-life scum and we're fine to back him, but jeez, to be fair, there's a limit. They can also claim he betrayed them by hiding this crap.

They deserve each other
 
This could turn into a 50 state sweep for Hillary

Ex-Apprentice Producer: ‘Far Worse’ Trump Tapes Exist

On Saturday, Bill Pruitt, a producer on the first two seasons of The Apprentice, claimed that there are “far worse” hot-mic tapes of Trump than the Access Hollywood one that was released on Friday.
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Nee also claims that anyone caught releasing the footage would have to pay as much as a $5 million leak fee, per their contract with Apprentice executive producer Mark Burnett. Burnett, according to Buzzfeed News, is a Trump supporter and has already threatened to sue Apprentice staffers if they decide to leak outtakes from the show.


Maybe Mark Cuban will offer to pony up to pay the $5 million fine.

I hope they release it a week before the election so there's no time to replace Trump

ETA: Oops! I should have finished the article...

"That doesn’t seem likely, since Cuban both works with Burnett on Shark Tank and defended Burnett’s position on the matter to Buzzfeed.
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Betrayed by the party? In a way, I guess. I mean, they knew he was low-life scum and we're fine to back him, but jeez, to be fair, there's a limit. They can also claim he betrayed them by hiding this crap.
What we're looking at is a disastrous neglect of due diligence. Heads must roll.
 
I don't get the fuss over this. He wasn't getting any of the African American vote and it will just make the remainder of his supporters giddy.

There are a lot of people who are "tired of white people always being called racists with no evidence" who feel Trump gets a bum rap who would go "oh yeah, he said the n-word, he's racist" and move on from him. Not to mention the ones who want to defend him but don't want to be seen as racist themselves. This would remove their last bit of shield to hide behind.
 
So far, as TBD has shown us, these latest leaks just show that Clinton and her advisors have been two steps ahead of the maroons at every turn.

Lookit this!!! She figured all of them out. Let's get her!

This should be Donald's debating strategy. With the Deplorables' battle against intellectualism and academia, he should emphasize his "strengths".

"Look, I'm not that bright. In fact I'm bigly unbright. I'm just an average schmuck like you who inherited money and figured out a way to keep suckering people into supporting my lifestyle. Hell, I call Dan Quayle for spelling advice and feel insignificant around George W. Bush's intellect. I mean,... just look at all the dumb stuff I say! Just like you. Amiright? Now, Hillary? Her and that Bill? They're what some people call in-telly-gent. Yeah, a whole lot of book learning and ciphering. I ask you, do you want educated people running your country. Hell, no!"



Sad as it is to say, but I think that this would actually work.

It would certainly improve his chances far more than the stuff he's trying right now.
 
This could turn into a 50 state sweep for Hillary

Ex-Apprentice Producer: ‘Far Worse’ Trump Tapes Exist

Maybe Mark Cuban will offer to pony up to pay the $5 million fine.

I hope they release it a week before the election so there's no time to replace Trump

ETA: Oops! I should have finished the article...

"That doesn’t seem likely, since Cuban both works with Burnett on Shark Tank and defended Burnett’s position on the matter to Buzzfeed.
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Then we'd have proof that he makes racist comments!
 
What we're looking at is a disastrous neglect of due diligence. Heads must roll.

The real question yet to be answered is why none of the 16 other Republican primary candidates didn't take on Trump directly. People like Cruz, Rubio and Christie -- all substantial figures with their own followings -- fawned over Trump, even after he started insulting and demeaning them. I suspect Christie -- veteran New Jersey pol and ex-U.S. Attorney -- could have taken Trump down almost immediately if he had wanted to. But he focused on Rubio and Cruz. They all have a lot to answer for.
 
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