Maybe Trump will not be such a terrible president. - Page 2

Spindrift · 9th November 2016, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

TRUMP: “Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But—'”

PELLEY: “Universal health care.”

TRUMP: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.”

Trump did say repeatedly that he wanted to scrap ACA and replace it with something better. And by better, I'm hoping he meant better for the consumer. If he actually does that, then I will start cutting him a lot of slack. I'm not holding my breath though giving his unfortunate tendency to lie pretty much constantly. For one thing I doubt the Republican congress will allow any viable replacement that doesn't favor the insurance companies over the consumers.

Pterodactyl · 9th November 2016, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by autumn1971

Damn. We have reached a place where Paul Ryan would be a nice change.

If the UK is leaving the EU, maybe they could take back a misguided former colony? An Atlantic Union, perhaps? I would totally commit to treason against the USA in order to get a little sanity back.

Here's quote I took from Paul Ryan's speech today:

Quote:

Look, it’s not just the health care law that we can replace, because we now have shown the willingness and the ability to do it. There are so many more things that I am excited about. Think about the laid-off coal workers now who see relief coming. Think about the farmers here in Wisconsin who are being harassed by the EPA in the waters of the USA. Think about the ranchers in the west who are getting harassed by the Interior Department or the laid-off timber workers.
There is relief coming. This is good for our country. This means that we can lift the oppressive weight of the regulatory state. We can restore the Constitution. Think about the conservative Constitution respecting judges that will be nominated. This is — this is very exciting.

So first plans on the agenda after repealing Obamacare are to fire up coal mining again, allow farmers to dump environmentally hazardous materials into rivers, an apparent olive branch to the Cliven Bundy crowd, and more logging.

Nice.

Oh and then we get to load the Supreme Court with a bunch of fundamentalist justices too.

Awesome.

This whole thing is going to be "not so terrible" I bet.

TragicMonkey · 9th November 2016, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

Trump did say repeatedly that he wanted to scrap ACA and replace it with something better. And by better, I'm hoping he meant better for the consumer. If he actually does that, then I will start cutting him a lot of slack. I'm not holding my breath though giving his unfortunate tendency to lie pretty much constantly. For one thing I doubt the Republican congress will allow any viable replacement that doesn't favor the insurance companies over the consumers.

I've come up with a solution. It's horrible, but now we know that horrible is how to get things done. We'll establish a universal single payor healthcare system, but make it private and give it government-granted legally mandated monopoly. Then issue shares of the company free to all Republicans in office. That will guarantee their support. They'll make fortunes, the megarich will get richer, and hopefully they'll dispense just enough healthcare to keep enough voters alive to keep putting them back into office. A closed system designed primarily to make money for rich bastards, with a side effect of providing some healthcare. It's the most viable option.

Tero · 9th November 2016, 12:28 PM

Will the undersecretary of interior cover beauty pageants? So he and Trump can go inspect them.
(Same as Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs, under interior)

Segnosaur · 9th November 2016, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And congress, regardless of party, is very militant about protecting it's powers and rights. There is a long history of Presidents having very bloody battles with congress when their party was in control when they felt the Presidnet was muscling into their turf.

On the other hand, republicans in Congress are even more entrenched now than they have been in the past (example: their plan to obstruct Obama's supreme court nomination, etc.)

Its quite possible that, given a choice between protecting their legislative turf and their party turf, they will side with the party and the president.

Segnosaur · 9th November 2016, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

ISIS? The generals are waiting for Donald to tell them how they can be defeated.

Wait a second... I thought Donald was going to make the generals come up with a plan to defeat ISIS.

Or fire them.

Can't remember which was which.

Captain_Swoop · 9th November 2016, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Wait a second... I thought Donald was going to make the generals come up with a plan to defeat ISIS.

Or fire them.

Can't remember which was which.

He has a secret plan.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Sorry, no. It's gotta go.

You want it repealed? If you don't mind, what is your reasoning?

If it merits a different thread, I'm in for that.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by casebro

Better yet, not a centrist but a pragmatist who doesn't care about politics, but just might seize any opportunity to get things fixed in this country.

Problem is that what he thinks needs fixing is not what the majority on this board think needs fixing.

It seems, however, that it is what the majority of the country thinks needs fixing. I'm not sure I have enough understanding of what those issues are.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I've come up with a solution. It's horrible, but now we know that horrible is how to get things done. We'll establish a universal single payor healthcare system, but make it private and give it government-granted legally mandated monopoly. Then issue shares of the company free to all Republicans in office. That will guarantee their support. They'll make fortunes, the megarich will get richer, and hopefully they'll dispense just enough healthcare to keep enough voters alive to keep putting them back into office. A closed system designed primarily to make money for rich bastards, with a side effect of providing some healthcare. It's the most viable option.

Nah. You're thinking waaaay too complex, and you're way too quick to cast people as malicious.

Repeal ACA, extend Medicare (including Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage) to all ages. Subsidize through the existing Medicaid system. Universal entitlement to basic care, optional buy-ups for those who want it, income assistance for those who need it.

It's what they shoudla-done-did in the first place.

ponderingturtle · 9th November 2016, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Nah. You're thinking waaaay too complex, and you're way too quick to cast people as malicious.

Repeal ACA, extend Medicare (including Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage) to all ages. Subsidize through the existing Medicaid system. Universal entitlement to basic care, optional buy-ups for those who want it, income assistance for those who need it.

It's what they shoudla-done-did in the first place.

Expanding entitlements? that is right out. Learn a little something about personal responsibility.

Caper · 9th November 2016, 01:37 PM

I also think there is a good chance he gets assassinated. I thought the same thing about Obama too.

Drewbot · 9th November 2016, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by NoahFence

He's a moron.

Right.

I have never heard him called that other than by his political opponents.

Plus. SCOREBOARD

theprestige · 9th November 2016, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And congress, regardless of party, is very militant about protecting it's powers and rights. There is a long history of Presidents having very bloody battles with congress when their party was in control when they felt the Presidnet was muscling into their turf.

I think he'll tend to go the opposite direction: Put his name on the letterhead, and then let other people actually do all the work. "President Trump" will bask in celebrity status, and pretty much let Congress do whatever it wants.

The real question is, how much media grandstanding will he do, as a way to grab attention, whenever a bill comes across his desk to be signed into law.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 01:53 PM

Regarding the *reason* that Trump won, some interesting exit-poll stats here:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...xit-polls.html

In partticular, toward the bottom of the page, the sections on "Best description of vote" and "Most important candidate quality"

It looks like Trump won because of the people who voted against Clinton, and that the most important quality he offered was a perception that he can change things that need to be changed.

Immigration and Terrorism are more important issues to a lot of people than Foreign Policy and the Economy.

Aepervius · 9th November 2016, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic

TRUMP: “Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But—'”

PELLEY: “Universal health care.”

TRUMP: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.”

I have no idea why somebody nominated you for that. But hey.

This is taken from this source :
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-scott-pelley/

It is quite clear that he has no play. It will taken care of "by the hospital" with what money what process who knows.

Spindrift · 9th November 2016, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Regarding the *reason* that Trump won, some interesting exit-poll stats here:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...xit-polls.html

In partticular, toward the bottom of the page, the sections on "Best description of vote" and "Most important candidate quality"

It looks like Trump won because of the people who voted against Clinton, and that the most important quality he offered was a perception that he can change things that need to be changed.

Immigration and Terrorism are more important issues to a lot of people than Foreign Policy and the Economy.

Immigration and Terrorism was most important so they voted for the guy who wants to build a useless wall, violate the constitution by imposing a religious standard for immigrants and thinks he knows more than the generals do?

xjx388 · 9th November 2016, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by Spindrift

Immigration and Terrorism was most important so they voted for the guy who wants to build a useless wall, violate the constitution by imposing a religious standard for immigrants and thinks he knows more than the generals do?

No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration.

Upchurch · 9th November 2016, 02:11 PM

Trump Picks Top Climate Skeptic to Lead EPA Transition

(okay, a couple of months old, but not heading in that "not be such a terrible president" direction.)

Belz... · 9th November 2016, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

You want it repealed? If you don't mind, what is your reasoning?

If it merits a different thread, I'm in for that.

What I want is irrelevant. Prepare to lose the ACA.

wombatwal · 9th November 2016, 02:43 PM

What is going to happen in the U.S.A. when Trump can't, Build the wall, Bring industry back, get jobs to the jobless, raise the minimum wage so that the people that voted for him can live, stop Muslims, stop Latinos, gaol Hiliary, clean out the sewer that is Washington DC (Trumps words as best I can remember), impose 45% import tax on Chinese goods, drop NATO, drop South Korea and Japan, Nuke Middle East or any other area he and his deplorables do not agree with.
I am sure there are many others.

Elind · 9th November 2016, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by xjx388

No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration.

Many people were talking of those issue, before they weren't, and "Most people" voted for Hillary, so that would make you right even while you are wrong.

During a time of full employment according to most economic criteria his supporters still want a sugar daddy president that will give them a bigger TV and SUV, even though they have no idea how such a socialist result can come from a compulsive liar.

It's going to be interesting how they will see his promises in a year, if not day one and it will be equally interesting to see how the GOP actually morphs from simply saying NO to anything as they have done for the past 8 years and find themselves in a position where they are actually expected to do something constructive for the country, while kissing Trump's ass.

NoahFence · 9th November 2016, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Drewbot

Right.

I have never heard him called that other than by his political opponents.

Plus. SCOREBOARD

He's a gifted salesman. He knows how to defraud people. Those are his skills.

Uh, President of the United States? I think that person needs at least a little character?

Spindrift · 9th November 2016, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by xjx388

I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration.

Yes and they voted for Hillary.

NoahFence · 9th November 2016, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by xjx388

No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration.

That's not the problem. Does he realize it? That's the important thing, wouldn't you think?

pipelineaudio · 9th November 2016, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

I've come up with a solution. It's horrible, but now we know that horrible is how to get things done. We'll establish a universal single payor healthcare system, but make it private and give it government-granted legally mandated monopoly. Then issue shares of the company free to all Republicans in office. That will guarantee their support. They'll make fortunes, the megarich will get richer, and hopefully they'll dispense just enough healthcare to keep enough voters alive to keep putting them back into office. A closed system designed primarily to make money for rich bastards, with a side effect of providing some healthcare. It's the most viable option.

I vote you for president....genious solution.

Navigator · 9th November 2016, 03:16 PM

I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool.

That in turn made them open to incorrect predictions...and they let their guard down.

Drop the sour grapes and get with the program.

NoahFence · 9th November 2016, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by wombatwal

What is going to happen in the U.S.A. when Trump can't, Build the wall, Bring industry back, get jobs to the jobless, raise the minimum wage so that the people that voted for him can live, stop Muslims, stop Latinos, gaol Hiliary, clean out the sewer that is Washington DC (Trumps words as best I can remember), impose 45% import tax on Chinese goods, drop NATO, drop South Korea and Japan, Nuke Middle East or any other area he and his deplorables do not agree with.
I am sure there are many others.

His supporters will applaud him for a job well done, oblivious to the fact that he did nothing in his xenophobic piece of **** administration that they elected him to do.

lionking · 9th November 2016, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Navigator

I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool.

That in turn made them open to incorrect predictions...and they let their guard down.

Drop the sour grapes and get with the program.

Er, no. He really is a moron.

Belz... · 9th November 2016, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Quote:

I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool.

Er, no. He really is a moron.

But he can convince other morons that he's really intelligent.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

What I want is irrelevant. Prepare to lose the ACA.

I must have misread your post. I thought you were expressing that you believed it should be repealed.

Emily's Cat · 9th November 2016, 04:16 PM

Maybe it's just immersion here, but the amount of insult, epithet, and hatred being directed at Trump really seems to exceed the amount that was previously directed at Obama.

Trebuchet · 9th November 2016, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Sorry, no. It's gotta go.

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Pfft. You and your reasonable arguments are no match for freedom logic.

Says the guy with the single payer health care. Some of us may need our sarcasm detectors tuned up.

mumblethrax · 9th November 2016, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Maybe it's just immersion here, but the amount of insult, epithet, and hatred being directed at Trump really seems to exceed the amount that was previously directed at Obama.

Of course it does, as well it *********** should.

The man is a waking horror. The election served as a referendum on basic democratic values, and basic democratic values lost.

Navigator · 9th November 2016, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Er, no. He really is a moron.

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

But he can convince other morons that he's really intelligent.

Such expression is reminiscent of truthers.
Time will tell.

steve s · 9th November 2016, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I disagree . The Horror stories about people losing their health coverage will be a huge story. The GOP will have to come up with SOMETHING,and it can't just be a empty measure. There will be a backlash if they try that..and a pretty big one.

They could always adopt the plan written up by the right-wing Heritage Foundation back in 1994. Oh, wait. That became Obamacare.

Steve S

Lurker · 9th November 2016, 04:45 PM

I would like to think that the kindhearted Trump would balk at taking away insurance without replacing with something. Hopefully it is something more than medical savings accounts, which are pretty much worthless for anything beyond basic care.

Spindrift · 9th November 2016, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lurker

I would like to think that the kindhearted Trump would balk at taking away insurance without replacing with something. Hopefully it is something more than medical savings accounts, which are pretty much worthless for anything beyond basic care.

The problem is that what Trump really wants will not enter into the minds of the Republican House. They will repeal Obamacare without a replacement as soon as the next congress is sworn in. Whether the Senate goes along is doubtful because the Republicans don't have 60 votes in the Senate.

Cain · 9th November 2016, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Tony Stark

I suppose it is not impossible but I doubt it. Hope I'm wrong.

Have you ever been wrong about Trump before? (Sorry.)

lionking · 9th November 2016, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Emily's Cat

Maybe it's just immersion here, but the amount of insult, epithet, and hatred being directed at Trump really seems to exceed the amount that was previously directed at Obama.

Because it's deserved. There has never been a more ludicrous president than Trump. Are you really comparing him to Obama?

9th November 2016, 12:15 PM	#41
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic TRUMP: “Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But—'” PELLEY: “Universal health care.” TRUMP: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.” Trump did say repeatedly that he wanted to scrap ACA and replace it with something better. And by better, I'm hoping he meant better for the consumer. If he actually does that, then I will start cutting him a lot of slack. I'm not holding my breath though giving his unfortunate tendency to lie pretty much constantly. For one thing I doubt the Republican congress will allow any viable replacement that doesn't favor the insurance companies over the consumers.
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9th November 2016, 12:25 PM	#43
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,505	Originally Posted by Spindrift Trump did say repeatedly that he wanted to scrap ACA and replace it with something better. And by better, I'm hoping he meant better for the consumer. If he actually does that, then I will start cutting him a lot of slack. I'm not holding my breath though giving his unfortunate tendency to lie pretty much constantly. For one thing I doubt the Republican congress will allow any viable replacement that doesn't favor the insurance companies over the consumers. I've come up with a solution. It's horrible, but now we know that horrible is how to get things done. We'll establish a universal single payor healthcare system, but make it private and give it government-granted legally mandated monopoly. Then issue shares of the company free to all Republicans in office. That will guarantee their support. They'll make fortunes, the megarich will get richer, and hopefully they'll dispense just enough healthcare to keep enough voters alive to keep putting them back into office. A closed system designed primarily to make money for rich bastards, with a side effect of providing some healthcare. It's the most viable option.
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9th November 2016, 12:28 PM	#44
Tero Master Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: North American prairie Posts: 2,202	Will the undersecretary of interior cover beauty pageants? So he and Trump can go inspect them. (Same as Assistant Secretary for Indian Affairs, under interior)
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9th November 2016, 12:36 PM	#45
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,121	Originally Posted by dudalb And congress, regardless of party, is very militant about protecting it's powers and rights. There is a long history of Presidents having very bloody battles with congress when their party was in control when they felt the Presidnet was muscling into their turf. On the other hand, republicans in Congress are even more entrenched now than they have been in the past (example: their plan to obstruct Obama's supreme court nomination, etc.) Its quite possible that, given a choice between protecting their legislative turf and their party turf, they will side with the party and the president.
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9th November 2016, 12:42 PM	#46
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,121	Originally Posted by Spindrift ISIS? The generals are waiting for Donald to tell them how they can be defeated. Wait a second... I thought Donald was going to make the generals come up with a plan to defeat ISIS. Or fire them. Can't remember which was which.
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9th November 2016, 12:25 PM	#42
Pterodactyl Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 1,252	Originally Posted by autumn1971 Damn. We have reached a place where Paul Ryan would be a nice change. If the UK is leaving the EU, maybe they could take back a misguided former colony? An Atlantic Union, perhaps? I would totally commit to treason against the USA in order to get a little sanity back. Here's quote I took from Paul Ryan's speech today: Quote: Look, it’s not just the health care law that we can replace, because we now have shown the willingness and the ability to do it. There are so many more things that I am excited about. Think about the laid-off coal workers now who see relief coming. Think about the farmers here in Wisconsin who are being harassed by the EPA in the waters of the USA. Think about the ranchers in the west who are getting harassed by the Interior Department or the laid-off timber workers. There is relief coming. This is good for our country. This means that we can lift the oppressive weight of the regulatory state. We can restore the Constitution. Think about the conservative Constitution respecting judges that will be nominated. This is — this is very exciting. So first plans on the agenda after repealing Obamacare are to fire up coal mining again, allow farmers to dump environmentally hazardous materials into rivers, an apparent olive branch to the Cliven Bundy crowd, and more logging. Nice. Oh and then we get to load the Supreme Court with a bunch of fundamentalist justices too. Awesome. This whole thing is going to be "not so terrible" I bet.

9th November 2016, 01:17 PM	#47
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 31,911	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Wait a second... I thought Donald was going to make the generals come up with a plan to defeat ISIS. Or fire them. Can't remember which was which. He has a secret plan.

9th November 2016, 01:26 PM	#48
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 14,811	Originally Posted by Argumemnon Sorry, no. It's gotta go. You want it repealed? If you don't mind, what is your reasoning? If it merits a different thread, I'm in for that.
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9th November 2016, 01:29 PM	#49
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 14,811	Originally Posted by casebro Better yet, not a centrist but a pragmatist who doesn't care about politics, but just might seize any opportunity to get things fixed in this country. Problem is that what he thinks needs fixing is not what the majority on this board think needs fixing. It seems, however, that it is what the majority of the country thinks needs fixing. I'm not sure I have enough understanding of what those issues are.
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9th November 2016, 01:34 PM	#50
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 14,811	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I've come up with a solution. It's horrible, but now we know that horrible is how to get things done. We'll establish a universal single payor healthcare system, but make it private and give it government-granted legally mandated monopoly. Then issue shares of the company free to all Republicans in office. That will guarantee their support. They'll make fortunes, the megarich will get richer, and hopefully they'll dispense just enough healthcare to keep enough voters alive to keep putting them back into office. A closed system designed primarily to make money for rich bastards, with a side effect of providing some healthcare. It's the most viable option. Nah. You're thinking waaaay too complex, and you're way too quick to cast people as malicious. Repeal ACA, extend Medicare (including Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage) to all ages. Subsidize through the existing Medicaid system. Universal entitlement to basic care, optional buy-ups for those who want it, income assistance for those who need it. It's what they shoudla-done-did in the first place.
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9th November 2016, 01:37 PM	#51
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,461	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Nah. You're thinking waaaay too complex, and you're way too quick to cast people as malicious. Repeal ACA, extend Medicare (including Medicare Supplement and Medicare Advantage) to all ages. Subsidize through the existing Medicaid system. Universal entitlement to basic care, optional buy-ups for those who want it, income assistance for those who need it. It's what they shoudla-done-did in the first place. Expanding entitlements? that is right out. Learn a little something about personal responsibility.
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9th November 2016, 01:37 PM	#52
Caper Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,730	I also think there is a good chance he gets assassinated. I thought the same thing about Obama too.
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9th November 2016, 01:43 PM	#53
Drewbot Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 7,350	Originally Posted by NoahFence He's a moron. Right. I have never heard him called that other than by his political opponents. Plus. SCOREBOARD
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9th November 2016, 01:53 PM	#54
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 49,653	Originally Posted by dudalb And congress, regardless of party, is very militant about protecting it's powers and rights. There is a long history of Presidents having very bloody battles with congress when their party was in control when they felt the Presidnet was muscling into their turf. I think he'll tend to go the opposite direction: Put his name on the letterhead, and then let other people actually do all the work. "President Trump" will bask in celebrity status, and pretty much let Congress do whatever it wants. The real question is, how much media grandstanding will he do, as a way to grab attention, whenever a bill comes across his desk to be signed into law.

9th November 2016, 02:00 PM	#56
Aepervius Non credunt, semper verificare Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sigil, the city of doors Posts: 14,581	Originally Posted by CynicalSkeptic TRUMP: “Everybody's got to be covered. This is an un-Republican thing for me to say because a lot of times they say, 'No, no, the lower 25 percent that can't afford private. But—'” PELLEY: “Universal health care.” TRUMP: “I am going to take care of everybody. I don't care if it costs me votes or not. Everybody's going to be taken care of much better than they're taken care of now.” I have no idea why somebody nominated you for that. But hey. This is taken from this source : http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-t...-scott-pelley/ It is quite clear that he has no play. It will taken care of "by the hospital" with what money what process who knows.

9th November 2016, 02:05 PM	#57
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Regarding the reason that Trump won, some interesting exit-poll stats here: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...xit-polls.html In partticular, toward the bottom of the page, the sections on "Best description of vote" and "Most important candidate quality" It looks like Trump won because of the people who voted against Clinton, and that the most important quality he offered was a perception that he can change things that need to be changed. Immigration and Terrorism are more important issues to a lot of people than Foreign Policy and the Economy. Immigration and Terrorism was most important so they voted for the guy who wants to build a useless wall, violate the constitution by imposing a religious standard for immigrants and thinks he knows more than the generals do?
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9th November 2016, 02:08 PM	#58
xjx388 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,158	Originally Posted by Spindrift Immigration and Terrorism was most important so they voted for the guy who wants to build a useless wall, violate the constitution by imposing a religious standard for immigrants and thinks he knows more than the generals do? No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration.
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9th November 2016, 02:11 PM	#59
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,378	Trump Picks Top Climate Skeptic to Lead EPA Transition (okay, a couple of months old, but not heading in that "not be such a terrible president" direction.)
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9th November 2016, 02:16 PM	#60
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,431	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat You want it repealed? If you don't mind, what is your reasoning? If it merits a different thread, I'm in for that. What I want is irrelevant. Prepare to lose the ACA.
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9th November 2016, 02:43 PM	#61
wombatwal Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Van Squad Posts: 1,484	What is going to happen in the U.S.A. when Trump can't, Build the wall, Bring industry back, get jobs to the jobless, raise the minimum wage so that the people that voted for him can live, stop Muslims, stop Latinos, gaol Hiliary, clean out the sewer that is Washington DC (Trumps words as best I can remember), impose 45% import tax on Chinese goods, drop NATO, drop South Korea and Japan, Nuke Middle East or any other area he and his deplorables do not agree with. I am sure there are many others.
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9th November 2016, 02:46 PM	#62
Elind Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: S.E. USA. Sometimes bible country Posts: 7,779	Originally Posted by xjx388 No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration. Many people were talking of those issue, before they weren't, and "Most people" voted for Hillary, so that would make you right even while you are wrong. During a time of full employment according to most economic criteria his supporters still want a sugar daddy president that will give them a bigger TV and SUV, even though they have no idea how such a socialist result can come from a compulsive liar. It's going to be interesting how they will see his promises in a year, if not day one and it will be equally interesting to see how the GOP actually morphs from simply saying NO to anything as they have done for the past 8 years and find themselves in a position where they are actually expected to do something constructive for the country, while kissing Trump's ass.

9th November 2016, 02:47 PM	#63
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by Drewbot Right. I have never heard him called that other than by his political opponents. Plus. SCOREBOARD He's a gifted salesman. He knows how to defraud people. Those are his skills. Uh, President of the United States? I think that person needs at least a little character?

9th November 2016, 02:48 PM	#64
Spindrift Time Person of the Year, 2006 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Right here! Posts: 19,246	Originally Posted by xjx388 I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration. Yes and they voted for Hillary.
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9th November 2016, 02:49 PM	#65
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by xjx388 No. I think he was elected because he was at least talking about those issues. I think most people realize he can't build a wall or impose religious tests on immigration. That's not the problem. Does he realize it? That's the important thing, wouldn't you think?

9th November 2016, 03:10 PM	#66
pipelineaudio Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,863	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey I've come up with a solution. It's horrible, but now we know that horrible is how to get things done. We'll establish a universal single payor healthcare system, but make it private and give it government-granted legally mandated monopoly. Then issue shares of the company free to all Republicans in office. That will guarantee their support. They'll make fortunes, the megarich will get richer, and hopefully they'll dispense just enough healthcare to keep enough voters alive to keep putting them back into office. A closed system designed primarily to make money for rich bastards, with a side effect of providing some healthcare. It's the most viable option. I vote you for president....genious solution.
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9th November 2016, 03:16 PM	#67
Navigator Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,365	I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool. That in turn made them open to incorrect predictions...and they let their guard down. Drop the sour grapes and get with the program.
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9th November 2016, 03:29 PM	#68
NoahFence Banned Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Patriot Nation Posts: 22,131	Originally Posted by wombatwal What is going to happen in the U.S.A. when Trump can't, Build the wall, Bring industry back, get jobs to the jobless, raise the minimum wage so that the people that voted for him can live, stop Muslims, stop Latinos, gaol Hiliary, clean out the sewer that is Washington DC (Trumps words as best I can remember), impose 45% import tax on Chinese goods, drop NATO, drop South Korea and Japan, Nuke Middle East or any other area he and his deplorables do not agree with. I am sure there are many others. His supporters will applaud him for a job well done, oblivious to the fact that he did nothing in his xenophobic piece of **** administration that they elected him to do.

9th November 2016, 03:58 PM	#69
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 46,998	Originally Posted by Navigator I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool. That in turn made them open to incorrect predictions...and they let their guard down. Drop the sour grapes and get with the program. Er, no. He really is a moron.
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9th November 2016, 04:00 PM	#70
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 91,431	Originally Posted by lionking Quote: I get the impression that Trump is correct that he is very intelligent and so intelligent he can use that to convince the intelligent that he is a fool. Er, no. He really is a moron. But he can convince other morons that he's really intelligent.
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9th November 2016, 04:13 PM	#71
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 14,811	Originally Posted by Argumemnon What I want is irrelevant. Prepare to lose the ACA. I must have misread your post. I thought you were expressing that you believed it should be repealed.
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9th November 2016, 04:16 PM	#72
Emily's Cat Rarely prone to hissy-fits Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: The Wettest Desert on Earth Posts: 14,811	Maybe it's just immersion here, but the amount of insult, epithet, and hatred being directed at Trump really seems to exceed the amount that was previously directed at Obama.
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9th November 2016, 04:18 PM	#73
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,055	Originally Posted by Argumemnon Sorry, no. It's gotta go. Originally Posted by Argumemnon Pfft. You and your reasonable arguments are no match for freedom logic. Says the guy with the single payer health care. Some of us may need our sarcasm detectors tuned up.
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9th November 2016, 04:22 PM	#74
mumblethrax Species traitor Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,711	Originally Posted by Emily's Cat Maybe it's just immersion here, but the amount of insult, epithet, and hatred being directed at Trump really seems to exceed the amount that was previously directed at Obama. Of course it does, as well it *********** should. The man is a waking horror. The election served as a referendum on basic democratic values, and basic democratic values lost.

9th November 2016, 04:23 PM	#75
Navigator Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 6,365	Originally Posted by lionking Er, no. He really is a moron. Originally Posted by Argumemnon But he can convince other morons that he's really intelligent. Such expression is reminiscent of truthers. Time will tell.
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9th November 2016, 04:39 PM	#76
steve s Philosopher Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,865	Originally Posted by dudalb I disagree . The Horror stories about people losing their health coverage will be a huge story. The GOP will have to come up with SOMETHING,and it can't just be a empty measure. There will be a backlash if they try that..and a pretty big one. They could always adopt the plan written up by the right-wing Heritage Foundation back in 1994. Oh, wait. That became Obamacare. Steve S
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