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Old 15th August 2005, 02:41 PM   #1
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Hello, Im a new memember

Hello, Im a new memember

I found this sight a few days ago, and I thought I'd say Hello.

I have been fascinated with the paranormal since the 5th Grade, when I learned about the Burmuda Triangle, and the Pyramids at Giza. About the same time, I became and avid radio listener, and to this day, I cannot go to sleep with out at least a half hour of radio listening.

I remember listening to a radio show (in about the year 1973, do the math for my age) that might have been called "Mystery Theatre", that was a half hour radio show that told scary stories. Thinking back to those days. the experience was probably very similar to the early days of radio, with such radio shows as "The Shadow".

I inevitably found Art Bell and John Edward, and on these shows I must admit I have heard and seen things I cannot explain. I was dumbfound for a rational explanation of these phenomenon.

Luckily, my parents and teachers taught my that because something cannot be immediate explained, it doesn't have an explanation.

I come here almost hoping that someone will win the money, hoping that the bounds we see of the human experience can be surpassed. I hope there is ESP. I hope there is psychic healing. I would love to find the 1864 Buffalo penny I lost as kid by channeling my Grandmothers soul.

As this is my first letter, and I seem to talking at length, I'll say one more thing. Being raised Catholic, I'd like to believe in God, but given no proof, how can I? This seems to be such a....betrayal of my faith? ....a contradiction? ....a ticket to Hell?

Anyway, I've had fun here. and hope to be back, Peace.

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Old 15th August 2005, 03:35 PM   #2
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Welsome Ketyk. Enjoy the forums.

Most of us would love for the things you mentioned to be true. Maybe one day there will be evidence that indicates that there are.

Unbtil then all we can do is apply our intelligence, read information from the most reliable sources we can find and question things.

There are many great resources on the internet about all of these subjects and if you have any questions about anything in particular then there are many very intelligent and well-informed posters on these forums.

Enjoy the JREF.

(Just one aside - this particular forum is for discussing the Million Dollar Challenge - check out the General Scepticism and the Paranormal forum and the Science, Mathematics, Medicine and Technology forum for general paranormal and pseudoscientific discussions)
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Old 15th August 2005, 03:37 PM   #3
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Re: Hello, Im a new memember

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I remember listening to a radio show (in about the year 1973, do the math for my age) that might have been called "Mystery Theatre", that was a half hour radio show that told scary stories. Thinking back to those days. the experience was probably very similar to the early days of radio, with such radio shows as "The Shadow".
Sounds like the "CBS Radio Mystery Theater" hosted by E.G. Marshall and produced by Hy Brown.
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Old 15th August 2005, 06:47 PM   #4
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Welcome to the forum.

We all would be happy if those things were true, but there is no evidence.

I appreciate and respoct your candor. Again, welcome and enjoy.
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Old 15th August 2005, 07:06 PM   #5
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Good evening.

Welcome to the forum. From time to time a person needs to drag thier own beliefs out into the light and take a good look at them. I remember reading a quote in a book by Carl Sagan from a person coming out of a lecture that said, somthing like "this was a great day. I learned today everything I thought was true, was wrong." OK, the quote isn't exact because I'm not near me book. The point is, however, important. We are all learning all the time. Well hopefully at least.
Once again, welcome.
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Old 15th August 2005, 08:38 PM   #6
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Re: Hello, Im a new memember

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Hello, Im a new memember...

...I come here almost hoping that someone will win the money, hoping that the bounds we see of the human experience can be surpassed. I hope there is ESP. I hope there is psychic healing. I would love to find the 1864 Buffalo penny I lost as kid by channeling my Grandmothers soul.

Anyway, I've had fun here. and hope to be back, Peace.



Hi and welcome!
Maybe an 1864 'Indian Head' penny?
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Old 15th August 2005, 09:23 PM   #7
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I'll add my welcome to the many here.

A skeptic musn't necessarily be a pessimist. I think that, deep down in his heart of hearts, even Randi would like someone to win the million. I agree. But I also have a deep and abiding hatred for those who would profit from the insecurities of other.

We must seperate the wheat from the chaff. And science and critical thinking are our best ways to do so.


So little wheat, though.....
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Old 15th August 2005, 09:55 PM   #8
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Wow, I can't believe how quickly I got responses!

I appreciate the kind words, and I'm sure I should have posted in the other area. I just didn't know it was there.

By the way, I was REALLY (borrowing the caps from Kramer) trying to spell everying correctly in my first post. But having read as much as I have, I suppose if the meaning is clear, and the intent is there, then minor mistakes are fine.

I remember a time, probably from 1996-1998, that I was fairly new to the internet, a member of AOL, and was very into a chat group called "The Grassy Knoll". Ever heard of it? I would sit for hours, read posts, get IMs, and always fight for proof. It got to the point, where being temporarily unemployed (though I probably would have done it anyway), that I would go deep into the night arguing, and get no where.

It's not that I didn't have the critical thinking skills, I think that I didn't have them as structured as I do now. I think I was also in group that did not understand about the scientific method, repeatability, controlled environments, etc.

Am I getting too long again? I think so. It's just that I am new, and wanted to say some stuff. So I am sure, hopefully, that I can come along to some other post and make a few remarks that might be......thoughtful, and maybe a little humorous, and hopefully contribute to this forum.

(that last sentence was so so corny, but I chuckled when I re-read it, so I had to leave it in)

Night kids.

p.s. I will try to work on my presentation: pictures, smily faces, quotes. I'm just too tired right now
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Old 16th August 2005, 09:48 AM   #9
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Re: Hello, Im a new memember

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Hello, Im a new memember
That's why I don't memember you from before...






OK, that was a crappy joke.
Welcome to the forum.
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Old 16th August 2005, 10:11 AM   #10
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Welcome to the forum, Ketyk. Since you mentioned seeing John Edward doing things you don't know how to explain, here's a few links that might help:

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Luckily, my parents and teachers taught my that because something cannot be immediate explained, it doesn't have an explanation.
If I'm reading this correctly, your parents and teachers are right: Just because you don't know the explanation right away doesn't mean it's unexplanable.

There was once a magician's trick I couldn't explain... until a few years had passed when a Randi lecture inspired me enough to come up with an explanation I had never even considered.
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Old 16th August 2005, 10:27 AM   #11
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Hi BronzeDog,

Yeah, but the thing about magic is that it's fun to believe that the magician is breaking some physical law. I used to be amazed at the woman in 3 boxes, and she would have all kind of strange stuff done to her,(switching positions, having knives stuck in her).
But when I found out how it was done, I was a little sad. I mean I knew it was fake, but there was something, well "Magical" about it, and that's not in itself a bad thing.
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Old 16th August 2005, 10:39 AM   #12
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Hi Ketyk, welcome to the forums.

On the subject of "betraying" faith, if you ever get a chance, you should check out Julia Sweeney's monologue "Letting Go of God". It's about her turn from Catholic to Secular Humanist... not an easy thing to do, it's really touching and (in parts) surprisingly funny. I NEVER cry at movies or anything, and seeing it live made me tear up, out of sympathy for the tough position she was in.

One of these months it'll come out on audio/video, and she performs it occassionally.

Just a recommendation

Enjoy the forums!
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I suspect I always knew stage magic was trickery (or at least, I knew it as far back as I can remember), but I know what you mean: You should have seen me when my parents first told me cartoons weren't real.

I love stage magic for the same reasons I love puzzles and videogames: It's an exercise in problem solving. You have to figure out how to get a particular end result with limited means. Mostly in magic that means doing something without getting caught.

I favor street magicians overall, since they have to do the art without elaborate stage setups.
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Old 16th August 2005, 10:50 AM   #14
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Sounds like the "CBS Radio Mystery Theater" hosted by E.G. Marshall and produced by Hy Brown.
That's what I was thinking. I used to listen to it regularly when I was a teenager. Came on around 9 p.m. for an hour. I would sit in the kitchen and drink a hot cup of tea with a little AM radio. It was years later before I saw what E.G. Marshall looked like. In Stephen King's Creepshow. Of course, he has many other film credits to his name which pre-date Mystery Theater.
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another sad day...

Another sad day was the whole Santa Claus thing. I don't want to burst your bubble, but there is problem with the whole "every house by morning" thing, I mean think about it, and landing on the roof, my filthy rotten chimney....etc
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Another sad day was the whole Santa Claus thing. I don't want to burst your bubble, but there is problem with the whole "every house by morning" thing, I mean think about it, and landing on the roof, my filthy rotten chimney....etc
Santa has technology beyond our understanding.

I'm sorry, but millions and millions and millions of people can't be wrong. There is just too much overwhelming evidence that Santa exists. We have hoofprints from the reindeer, the bicycle I asked for, and the missing cookies and milk. You are in serious denial, my friend.
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I'm sorry, but millions and millions and millions of people can't be wrong. There is just too much overwhelming evidence that Santa exists. We have hoofprints from the reindeer
Actually those hoofprints have been debunked.

Turns out it was just a bigfoot kneeling down.
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I think we have a serendipitous coinage of a new term here, to serve as an adjunct to "woo-woo."



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1. A forumite who repeats nonsense they heard somewhere else to support their belief system.

2. One of a hundred monkeys.

[From Modern English meme and member]
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We all would be happy if those things were true, but there is no evidence.

I appreciate and respoct your candor. Again, welcome and enjoy.
In the abstract it would be cool if mystical, paranormal stuff were true, but there are so many unknowable implications if this sort of magical stuff were real. I suspect the universe would be uninhabitable if magical stuff were true. I suspect that existence would be unendurable and we would never be able to orient ourselves in the universe.
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In the abstract it would be cool if mystical, paranormal stuff were true, but there are so many unknowable implications if this sort of magical stuff were real. I suspect the universe would be uninhabitable if magical stuff were true. I suspect that existence would be unendurable and we would never be able to orient ourselves in the universe.
Bah... it works on the Discworld...
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You should have seen me when my parents first told me cartoons weren't real.
WHAT? (AGHAST SMILEY)
Nothing more real than Bugs Bunny.
(For a certain value of "Real").
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Re: another sad day...

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Another sad day was the whole Santa Claus thing. I don't want to burst your bubble, but there is problem with the whole "every house by morning" thing, I mean think about it, and landing on the roof, my filthy rotten chimney....etc
Yeah and my house had no chimmney. It really wasn't sad for me since I still got the same gifts from Santa in all the following years. I sat up all night behind the sofa waiting for what I suspected would be my parents only to fall asleep in the early morning and upon awakening all the gifts were magically there. Darn then I had to wait another year for definitive proof. The tooth fairy was more fun I set a trap and got her to scream waking me up so I could see it was my mom.
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We must seperate the wheat from the chaff. And science and critical thinking are our best ways to do so.

So little wheat, though.....
No. So heavy and so ripe the wheat. So little and so flimsy the chaff.

And if some idiots think that threshing the grain is a pointless ritual rather than a necessary craft --- then I have badly overextended this metaphor.

BTW: Welcome, Ketyk!
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