Trump rolls back on campaign promises

The Don said:
I don't think traditional Republicans will turn on him for the same reason they didn't turn on the Tea Party - they're scared of the power wielded by the right wing of their party.

His supporters won't turn on him because they will be getting their news and opinions from alt-right sources which will be proclaiming Trump's successes and/or blaming any failures on some combination of Democrats, minorities, Moooslims, foreigners, Liberals or any other convenient scapegoat. As far as they will be concerned his has been a blinding success tainted only by the spoiling tactics of The Establishment. :rolleyes:
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If his cult starts to leave him when he doesn't deliver then I suspect that the traditional GOP will feel safe to oppose him. There are also some red lines he can't pass. His trajectory with Russia will put him on a collision course with mainstream Republicans regardless of what his cult thinks.
 
Craig4 said:
If his cult starts to leave him when he doesn't deliver then I suspect that the traditional GOP will feel safe to oppose him. There are also some red lines he can't pass. His trajectory with Russia will put him on a collision course with mainstream Republicans regardless of what his cult thinks.
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Or mainstream republicans will realize exactly how much they have in common with the Putin administration.
 
Craig4 said:
If his cult starts to leave him when he doesn't deliver then I suspect that the traditional GOP will feel safe to oppose him. There are also some red lines he can't pass. His trajectory with Russia will put him on a collision course with mainstream Republicans regardless of what his cult thinks.
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They won't leave him unless something catastrophic happens. He has been lying throughout the entire campaign. Easily proven lies. His supporters don't care. He promised to make America great again and that's all that matters. When that doesn't happen, whatever excuses he comes up with will be accepted at face value.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
How do they get around it without pre-existing conditions? The only way I see is universal health care or rewording the individual mandate so that it is the same exact thing described in different words.

Pence says:



I'm not sure what that means. Consistently paying premiums sort of defies the definition of a pre-existing condition. Will there be gobs and gobs of regulations defining when and what is and isn't a pre-existing condition? And will we go back to irresponsible people who can afford health insurance but choose not to and end up getting emergency care and a bill they can never pay sticking the cost to the responsible people who buy health insurance instead of the current plan where everybody has to pay something into the system to cover those costs?
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As it stands now, when you enroll on the ACA website, they don't ask you about a preexisting condition, so the insurance company doesn't even know if you have one. If we go to a system where you have to divulge this information to the insurance company, and be put in a special high risk group, it's not at all clear how much of the super high premium would be payed for under Trumps plan. The remaining premium may still not be affordable by most people.
 
Trump promised to get rid of the "Common Core" in education is considering appointing Tony Bennett as Secretary of Education. He's the guy who tried to push common core standards on Indiana as State Superintendent and ********** it up so bad that even Pence abandoned him. And then he got caught in a nasty email scandal and got voted out of office.

This is Trump's version of surrounding himself with the best people, I guess.

And a sign that it's Pence making the decisions, not Trump.
 
quadraginta said:
I'm not sure they'd be getting them anyway.

Most people don't realize this, but construction (not property development or real estate sales) is among the lowest margin businesses there are. There isn't going to be a lot of room in building budgets to turn $12/hr jobs into $25/hr ones. They just won't build as much.
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I disagree. Margins are low because competition is high not because there would be a demand drop off if prices were higher across the board. As long as the higher wages were paid by all competitors there is no competitive advantage to be had and they can pass along the increased cost so the buildings will cost a little more. In some cases this may mean the project is no longer viable but in most cases the additional costs would get passed to the tenants and so on. On a macro scale this adds a tiny bit to inflation this ends up being counteracted by Fed policy.
 
DevilsAdvocate said:
Pence says:

And we will protect Americans with pre-existing conditions so that they are not charged more or denied coverage, just because they have been sick, so long as they have paid their premiums consistently.
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I'm not sure what that means.
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I think it goes something along the lines of: If you have health insurance you don’t have to worry about pre-existing conditions, so long as those conditions didn’t pre-exist at the time you obtained your health insurance. If that happens you’re screwed
 
dudalb said:
That's because you have to get two thirds of both houses of congress to vote for them. Fat chance.
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Term limits are DOA.

nelsondogg said:
He basically wants to deport only the illegal aliens that don't have jobs. How is that supposed to help the Midwesterners who want their jobs back? They won't be getting $25 / hour construction jobs if there are Mexicans willing to do them at $12.
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I thought he said he wants to deport the Illegals with criminal records beyond simply being in America illegally? I am sure there is some over lap.

quadraginta said:
I'm not sure they'd be getting them anyway.

Most people don't realize this, but construction (not property development or real estate sales) is among the lowest margin businesses there are. There isn't going to be a lot of room in building budgets to turn $12/hr jobs into $25/hr ones. They just won't build as much.
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It could be good for owners of existing commercial properties, if there is less new construction, but bad for the economy over all.

lomiller said:
I think it goes something along the lines of: If you have health insurance you don’t have to worry about pre-existing conditions, so long as those conditions didn’t pre-exist at the time you obtained your health insurance. If that happens you’re screwed
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So the mandate will be enforced by saying get insurance now, always pay the premiums no matter how high they go, never let it laps or for the rest of your life you'll be back to insurance that won't cover you? What if you lose your job? Real champions of the common man there.:rolleyes:
 
Biscuit said:
Term limits are DOA.



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It would take a constitioinal amendment to have Term Limits in congress. When a state imposed term limits on it's congressmen, the Supreme Court ruled that United States Congressmen are Federal Officers whose requirement and terms of service are set out in the Consituion,and amending the Constitution is only way to change it.
 
Trump is lying in his teeth when he talks about bringing back High paying factory jobs to the Rust Belt. Fact is that most of the jobs that went overseas now no longer exist ,period, due to automation. A lot of it would have happened if the factories had not gone overseas.When the Rust Belt is sill the Rust Belt ,a lot of the Blue Collar Trump voters will realize they have been had.
 
dudalb said:
Trump is lying in his teeth when he talks about bringing back High paying factory jobs to the Rust Belt. Fact is that most of the jobs that went overseas now no longer exist ,period, due to automation. A lot of it would have happened if the factories had not gone overseas.When the Rust Belt is sill the Rust Belt ,a lot of the Blue Collar Trump voters will realize they have been had.
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Thing is trump supporters have a real talent for ignoring facts, not to mention that if the choice is accepting they were had or believing that some third party simply prevented Trump from delivering on his promises which do you think they will go for?
 
Garrison said:
Thing is trump supporters have a real talent for ignoring facts, not to mention that if the choice is accepting they were had or believing that some third party simply prevented Trump from delivering on his promises which do you think they will go for?
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Exactly. It will be the "international Bankers" who stopped trump from making america great again.

Perhaps the most frustrating thing to me about this election and conservatives in general is their insistence that we can make everything just like it use to be rather than looking forward to how we can thrive with the way things are and will be. Just as we transitioned from agriculture to manufacturing we are making a new transition and trying to hold onto the past is as silly as suggesting we return to cart and buggy.
 
Garrison said:
Thing is trump supporters have a real talent for ignoring facts, not to mention that if the choice is accepting they were had or believing that some third party simply prevented Trump from delivering on his promises which do you think they will go for?
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Exactly.

Trump supporters had no problem swallowing the constant stream of lies spewing from the orange maw during campaign. There is no reason to believe that they will not continue to do so. As long as Trump has an excuse it will be swallowed whole no matter how ludicrous the excuse. He knows the only thing that would cause him to lose support is if he admits being wrong himself, but he seems to be congenitally incapable of admitting errors so he won't have to worry about that.
 
Garrison said:
Thing is trump supporters have a real talent for ignoring facts, not to mention that if the choice is accepting they were had or believing that some third party simply prevented Trump from delivering on his promises which do you think they will go for?
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Exactly.

(I just wanted to jump onto the bandwagon.)
 
Biscuit said:
Perhaps the most frustrating thing to me about this election and conservatives in general is their insistence that we can make everything just like it use to be rather than looking forward to how we can thrive with the way things are and will be.
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It's very bizarre, I have to say. How exactly do they think jobs lost to automation will be brought back by kicking out illegals, or how jobs lost to low-wage countries will be repatriated without crippling the economy?
 
Argumemnon said:
It's very bizarre, I have to say. How exactly do they think jobs lost to automation will be brought back by kicking out illegals, or how jobs lost to low-wage countries will be repatriated without crippling the economy?
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Conservatives don't believe the future can be better. They think that the past was always wonderful. The future is unknown, complicated and messy. They want the past that their selective memory makes familiar, simple and straightforward.
 
The speed at which the Orange Menace is abdicating his campaign promises is amazing.

Donald Trump’s transition team appears to have deviated from its own ethics rule barring lobbyists whose work for Trump would overlap with any matters on which they lobbied in the previous year.

According to a copy of Trump for America Inc’s “Code of Ethical Conduct” obtained by POLITICO, members of the transition team must pledge to “disqualify myself from involvement in any particular transition matter if I have engaged in regulated lobbying activities with respect to such matter, as defined by the Lobbying Disclosure Act, within the previous 12 months.”

But at least eight transition team members have done work that appears to flout that internal rule, Senate records show
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Spindrift said:
They won't leave him unless something catastrophic happens. He has been lying throughout the entire campaign. Easily proven lies. His supporters don't care. He promised to make America great again and that's all that matters. When that doesn't happen, whatever excuses he comes up with will be accepted at face value.
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"Handcuffed by the previous administration"
 
Tangentially related I believe we have heard the last about Benghazi and emails as far as congressional investigations go. These will be quietly wrapped up and forgotten as if they never existed. Any republicans asked will dodge the question and talk about the need to get important work done for the American people.
 
Never settle. Take it all the way!

In a complete turnaround from his previous position, President-elect Donald Trump is nearing a settlement of the fraud cases brought in New York and California involving his now defunct for-profit Trump University, the Daily News has learned.

Under the emerging deal being negotiated by Trump's lawyers, New York State Attorney General Eric Schneiderman and the law firm that brought a class action lawsuit regarding Trump University in California, the president-elect will agree to pay between $20 million and $25 million to settle the matter, a source with knowledge of the situation said.

Trump will not admit to any wrongdoing in the final agreement, which could be announced as soon as Friday, the source said.
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ponderingturtle said:
So to start of on his giving up on campaign promises and hoping people forget them we have two already.

On locking up Clinton

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/giuliani-christie-interviews-clinton-prosecutor/

On banning Muslims

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/10/muslim-ban-statement-removed-from-donald-trumps-website/

Any bets on what will be next?
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Quick rewind: Let's first talk about Barack O(No you didnt!)Bombed; transparency, Obamacare, etc..

And, yes, definitely bring up George Jr. and all the crap he pulled with the Patriot Act, Enron, etc.. That crap always gets played out on both sides of the fence.
 
marplots said:
It's not much of a point if you remove all the reasons.
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Sure it is.

They voted for him. They helped to put him in the White House.

If that doesn't constitute support then nothing does.

Whether they did it because they hated brown people or because they liked his hair is utterly irrelevant to the act itself.

If they did it because of their Hillary Derangement Syndrome is irrelevant, too. So they supported him because they hated Hillary. So what?

It's still support when they vote for him.
 
Remember when Trump said he was going to drain the swamp. That was earlier this month. Now, he's flooding the swamp so much that it's spilling over into his business and into the intelligence community. Corruption is going to grow ten-fold under Trump. He's making the USA more like Russia.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Remember when Trump said he was going to drain the swamp. That was earlier this month. Now, he's flooding the swamp so much that it's spilling over into his business and into the intelligence community. Corruption is going to grow ten-fold under Trump. He's making the USA more like Russia.
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That was the entire point of this exercise. A kleptocracy makes more sense in the US than in Russia, anyway--there's so much more to steal here.
 
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