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Old 11th January 2017, 10:35 AM   #761
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
What if Trump gave a news conference and no one came?
That was one of the best news conferences I've ever seen. Its getting difficult to predict how defeated the left will be after four years of this abuse.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:36 AM   #762
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Once again, you are not making sense.

Everyone has written coherent posts to you. So if you cannot understand those posts, then you need to ask them for clarification.
I would definitely like another party to chime in other than you and I. That hasn't happened in 35 posts, so I don't know if we will get the.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:40 AM   #763
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
I would definitely like another party to chime in other than you and I. That hasn't happened in 35 posts, so I don't know if we will get the.
Maybe those other people are not responding because they are stunned by your absolutely awesome writing.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:40 AM   #764
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OK here's some speculation. Cohen claims he was in NY, not Prague. There is corroboration up to the 29th of August. But the meeting was described as occurring in August/September.

Cohen shows us his passport with no Cech stamp.

Another Cohen with the same birthday??? went to Prague.

Cohen is a dual citizen, Israeli and US. He would have 2 passports.

Let's see your Israeli passport Mr Cohen.

I remain open to either possibility, it was a different Cohen, or, Trump's attorney used his Israeli passport to cover his tracks.

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Old 11th January 2017, 10:42 AM   #765
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Not great smoke. Manaforts payments were 4 years ago. Trump has been in favor of reproachment with Russia since the 80s. Even close ties to criminals does not really support that coordination with the criminals on specific crimes occurred.
If you had read the report you would know there are accusations Russia and Trump interacting goes back 6-8 years.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:43 AM   #766
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
That was one of the best news conferences I've ever seen. Its getting difficult to predict how defeated the left will be after four years of this abuse.
Well yeah, it does suck to be the recipient of abuse. That is why abuse as a strategy is generally rejected by most philosophies, societies, laws, organizations.....
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:45 AM   #767
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Cohen shows us his passport with no Cech stamp.
The Schengen Agreement makes it possible to visit an EU country without getting your passport stamped.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:45 AM   #768
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MSNBC has a Brookings Institute analyst on discussing the inadequacy of Trump's divestment plan.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:45 AM   #769
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
If you had read the report you would know there are accusations Russia and Trump interacting goes back 6-8 years.
No one seems able to substantiate any of the report. I will wait to factor in its accusations strongly until they do.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:46 AM   #770
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
The Schengen Agreement makes it possible to visit an EU country without getting your passport stamped.
Did you stop reading after two lines in my post?
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Cohen is a dual citizen, Israeli and US. He would have 2 passports.

Let's see your Israeli passport Mr Cohen.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:47 AM   #771
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
No one seems able to substantiate any of the report. I will wait to factor in its accusations strongly until they do.
You do that.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:47 AM   #772
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Maybe those other people are not responding because they are stunned by your absolutely awesome writing.
That seems to be it.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:48 AM   #773
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Did you stop reading after two lines in my post?
It's still possible that either of his passports won't have a stamp even if he visited the Czech Republic. Did you bother reading what I posted?
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:50 AM   #774
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
You do that.
It is a skeptics forum. I advocate we all do that.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
That seems to be it.
Okey dokey then.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:05 AM   #776
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
It's still possible that either of his passports won't have a stamp even if he visited the Czech Republic. Did you bother reading what I posted?
Sorry, I did misread it. My bad.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:10 AM   #777
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
That was one of the best news conferences I've ever seen. Its getting difficult to predict how defeated the left will be after four years of this abuse.

Nothing wrong with the press conference indeed. But you should stop using this silly "left" term. None of the resident PTrumpSD™ sufferers are "left", they are mere parrots of the propaganda narrative. Which happens to be liberal, both socially and economically, with the latter historically being a "right" position if we have to use these terms.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:18 AM   #778
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So you reject people have this perception
Wrong. I said that the perception is irrelevant to the reality.

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do you also reject that perception showing itself through the vote against shillery?
Again, irrelevant. I didn't ask you if people thought so. I asked you how you know it's TRUE.

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Of course you made the often made mistake of putting words in my mouth
Discerning the logical implications of your words isn't putting words in your mouth. If you state something as a fact, then you, logically, are saying that you know this fact to be true. I am asking you, clearly, how you know this. If you do not, then retract your claim.

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I'm not denying anything, you're just having problems with understanding words because you so badly need your narrative.
And you're just throwing irrelevancies around, like the word "narrative", which has absolutely no relation to the discussion.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:20 AM   #779
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That was one of the best news conferences I've ever seen.
If Trump had taken a dump on camera you'd call it the best turd you've ever seen.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:24 AM   #780
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No one seems able to substantiate any of the report. I will wait to factor in its accusations strongly until they do.
Well, Trump can substantiate it.

http://www.msnbc.com/thomas-roberts/...3-734124099973
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Nothing wrong with the press conference indeed. But you should stop using this silly "left" term. None of the resident PTrumpSD™ sufferers are "left", they are mere parrots of the propaganda narrative. Which happens to be liberal, both socially and economically, with the latter historically being a "right" position if we have to use these terms.
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Don't be silly. Nothing Trump has said nor will ever say is meant to be taken seriously if it's bad for Trump. And Donald Trump is the final arbiter of what's good for Donald Trump.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:43 AM   #783
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Which happens to be liberal, both socially and economically, with the latter historically being a "right" position if we have to use these terms.
Liberalism is still on the right, not just historically so. The problem with the US is that the red scares destroyed the left which, combined with a two-party system, allowed the liberals to present themselves as "left-wing".

I don't know about Germany, but here in Belgium the VLD/MR (liberal party) is still considered on the right just like it has always been, with various forms of socialism taking up the left.
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I don't know about Germany, but here in Belgium the VLD/MR (liberal party) is still considered on the right just like it has always been, with various forms of socialism taking up the left.

It's the same in Germany with the FDP (Free Democratic Party), considered center-right.
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Typical response by the Trumper: deny then change the subject.
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Old 11th January 2017, 12:19 PM   #786
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I'm already getting confused about this. The 2 page thing was supposedly being used as an example of unvetted disinformation (not sure what that means exactly). If true, does that mean the 35 page thing is false? I can't download the 35 page document here at work so I'm not 100% sure if it's the same info as the 2 page summary.

Is this plausible?

http://www.mediaite.com/election-201...isinformation/
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Old 11th January 2017, 12:31 PM   #787
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The problem with the US is that the red scares destroyed the left which, combined with a two-party system, allowed the liberals to present themselves as "left-wing".
Which gets a bit of a macabre undertone once you realize that it was the Democrats themselves which employed the Red Scare to destroy the left side of the political spectrum, before turning around and pretending to be the left. Reminds a bit of some serial killer who, after having killed his victim, cuts off their face and wears it while acting out a fantasy of being his victim.
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...and then in the sequel the victim turns out, alive, and having taken the mantle of serial killer instead.
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I'm already getting confused about this. The 2 page thing was supposedly being used as an example of unvetted disinformation (not sure what that means exactly). If true, does that mean the 35 page thing is false? I can't download the 35 page document here at work so I'm not 100% sure if it's the same info as the 2 page summary.

Is this plausible?

http://www.mediaite.com/election-201...isinformation/
There's 35 pages of opposition research performed by a former MI6 agent. The veracity of the many claims made are largely unknown.

There is a 2 page addendum to a security brief, contents classified and unknown to us as far as I'm aware, which has had some more thorough review done. My understanding is unnamed intelligence officials (as always...) have commented on the sources being verified and potential corroboration of some details.

So some parts of some of the information have some amount of plausibility according to some people in the intelligence community.

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It's still possible that either of his passports won't have a stamp even if he visited the Czech Republic.
Do they stamp entry dates on passports like the US and Canada do? I visited the UK in October, and even though I needed a passport to get in, there's no record on the passport itself of my visit.
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Do they stamp entry dates on passports like the US and Canada do? I visited the UK in October, and even though I needed a passport to get in, there's no record on the passport itself of my visit.
If I'm reading the Schengen Agreement correctly, they don't mark the passport for travel from member states.
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Do they stamp entry dates on passports like the US and Canada do? I visited the UK in October, and even though I needed a passport to get in, there's no record on the passport itself of my visit.
Same thing happened to me on a France trip in 2000.
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If I'm reading the Schengen Agreement correctly, they don't mark the passport for travel from member states.
Not from member states, but the UK is not a member state (Finland is). I have no idea whether Schengen states stamp (machine-readable) overseas passports, or whether information about entry only exists in electronic form.
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Here's a flow chart of the "4chan trolled the "intelligence" community" version. Mad McCain has claimed today that he gave the thing to Comey, so that's "on record" already.

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Which gets a bit of a macabre undertone once you realize that it was the Democrats themselves which employed the Red Scare to destroy the left side of the political spectrum, before turning around and pretending to be the left. Reminds a bit of some serial killer who, after having killed his victim, cuts off their face and wears it while acting out a fantasy of being his victim.
Say what? FDR Democrats have never pretended to be anything; they're just FDR Democrats. FDR probably saved the country from socialism, which FDR Democrats consider to be a Good Thing. That distinction doesn't matter to the right; anything "not right" is left. When Rush and Hannity say that Obama and Clinton are far leftists, no, that does not mean that Obama and Clinton are "pretending to be the left." It means Rush and Hannity are pretending.
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Here's a flow chart of the "4chan trolled the "intelligence" community" version. Mad McCain has claimed today that he gave the thing to Comey, so that's "on record" already.

http://i.imgur.com/GCcQlxo.jpg
Still doesn't hold water. This theory is conflating the chain of custody of some copies of these documents with the claims made in the documents. I'd say some folks who think they are really clever desperately want to overestimate their influence on the world and are massaging the evidence to fit that very ego-satisfying conclusion.
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Still doesn't hold water. This theory is conflating the chain of custody of some copies of these documents with the claims made in the documents.

How so? It seems there are archived /pol/ posts from last year referring to "golden shower fan fiction" pretty close to what's alleged here, which Rick Wilson was fed with according to the author. McCain -> IC link corroborated. So we have the McMullin interlink missing, of which I can't imagine how the anonymous flow charters should know about, and some evolvement of the story on the way. Your sentence makes no sense to me. Feel free to elaborate, I'm certainly open to change my mind which is by now selfishly prefering the "4chan trolled IC" version because this would just be so epic.
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Mango Mussolini is admonishing the intelligence community right now calling their report garbage. I predict he will replace the leadership of the FBI, CIA and NSA with his own stooges that will only produce intelligence he likes. Welcome to the orange regime.
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ETA2: "Trumped-up trickle down" is now a much better line than when it was used in the debates.
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How so? It seems there are archived /pol/ posts from last year referring to "golden shower fan fiction" pretty close to what's alleged here, which Rick Wilson was fed with according to the author. McCain -> IC link corroborated. So we have the McMullin interlink missing, of which I can't imagine how the anonymous flow charters should know about, and some evolvement of the story on the way. Your sentence makes no sense to me. Feel free to elaborate, I'm certainly open to change my mind which is by now selfishly prefering the "4chan trolled IC" version because this would just be so epic.
The claim being made has to do with authorship of the documents or claims made in the documents

The evidence presented has to do with chain of custody of (copies of) documents containing said claims.

Those are two different things. To make the former fit, they would need to demonstrate that Rick Wilson was one of the unnamed sources who supplied the MI6 agent with that story.

I know nothing about the "golden shower fan fiction" whatsoever. What details are similar besides the peeing itself? Because if that's literally the only similarity, then that's just plain old free association.
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