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Old 11th January 2017, 10:54 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Really? My impression was, what blatantly superlative lying.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:55 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
But the real question is, did he get pissed on.


I think the report said he likes to watch.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Did you miss the sentence he threw in there that he doesn't have to do any divesting.
How could I miss it? It was repeated at least once, if not more.

It's still just a facade.
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post
Yeah, but his proposed solution makes one wonder if he even understands the problem.

The DNC emails were a leak and the Podesta emails were a case of a user being tricked into giving away login credentials. Neither of those problems can be addressed by having a few IT guys make sure the latest security patches are all applied or tweaking their permissions protocol.
Ok, some of the systems between ears need some patching, too ^^
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:56 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Delphic Oracle View Post

The DNC emails were a leak and the Podesta emails were a case of a user being tricked into giving away login credentials. Neither of those problems can be addressed by having a few IT guys make sure the latest security patches are all applied or tweaking their permissions protocol.
Maybe he plans to educate people in simple security procedures.
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I'm more worried that he is actively letting Russia get away with their shenanigans, as long as they benefit him personally, up to and including cooperating with their agents.
I'd be more worried about this if it marked a substantial departure from the policy of the past 8 years.
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Old 11th January 2017, 10:58 AM   #47
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I don't know where I hear this (If it was from someone on this board, I apologize for the plagiarism), the distinguishing characteristic of a Trump support appears to be how Trump says something, not what was actually said. I can't say I understand why that would be true, but it certainly appears to fit with my experiences. How else can he complete contradict himself between two sentences and still be heralded for it?
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
I'm more worried that he is actively letting Russia get away with their shenanigans, as long as they benefit him personally, up to and including cooperating with their agents.
From memory:
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If Putin likes Donald Trump, I consider that an asset, not a liability.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:01 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
How could I miss it? It was repeated at least once, if not more.

It's still just a facade.
Sorry, I know you said that in your second sentence but it was the first sentence I had a different view of:
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Well, at least he is giving the appearance of pretending to divulge his more obvious conflicts of interest.
I didn't think he gave the appearance of anything but a con. OTOH, at least one person in this thread does seem to have bought the con hook, line and sinker.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:02 AM   #50
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Now I know why he hasn't hsd a press conference for six months.

Is that how they are going to be all the time?
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:03 AM   #51
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Off to watch CSPAN3, they are covering the Tillerson hearing.
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Great to see Trump standing up to journalists questions. No one wants to see people pissing all over the President of America.

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Old 11th January 2017, 11:25 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Did he manage a single coherent, grammatically correct sentence?
Well, you see... this thing... I'm talking about Trump. He's like... and you have to understand, he's the President-Elect, right? So once he starts... and I mean when he begins to talk, he's got a good... you know, I think he's not such a bad talker and... well, you and I can disagree, but I think so, don't you?

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That is CTist thinking.

It is smart to not escalate this kind of conflict.
It's also a bad idea to let other countries mess with your democratic process. That is also part of realpolitiks.
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I don't know where I hear this (If it was from someone on this board, I apologize for the plagiarism), the distinguishing characteristic of a Trump support appears to be how Trump says something, not what was actually said. I can't say I understand why that would be true, but it certainly appears to fit with my experiences.
(Shrug) Style over substance is a pretty safe bet when you're selling style as the sum of substance to people who prefer it that way. What we see as bombastic blathering, other folks see as the Take Charge Guy Who's Gonna Get Things Done. What things, and how? Who cares? It's the image that counts (and sells).
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How else can he complete contradict himself between two sentences and still be heralded for it?
Didn't Trump himself say something to the effect of being able to shoot someone on the street and not losing a single supporter over it? Hell, he's contradicted their expectations of him- "gonna repeal Obamacare" has now become, essentially (IIRC), "there are good things in it, let's be cautious here"; "put Hilary in jail" became "meh, I dunno, maybe not"; and I'm sure there are other examples. He hasn't actually put his theory to the test by shooting anyone yet, but I think he has read his supporters exactly right.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:41 AM   #55
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I can't help but think he is working pissing the off the American intelligence agencies. He had a zinger towards them

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released - who knows - maybe by the intelligence agencies... It should never have been released
This seems to show a continued distrust.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:44 AM   #56
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I saw some snippets of the press conference.

Can some tell me what exactly he was referring to when he called something fake news?
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:47 AM   #57
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Originally Posted by carlosy View Post
I saw some snippets of the press conference.

Can some tell me what exactly he was referring to when he called something fake news?
In general, fake news is any news that bad for Trump.

Specifically in this case is the dossier delivered by John McCain to the FBI implicating Trump has been compromised by the Russians.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:51 AM   #58
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Originally Posted by carlosy View Post
I saw some snippets of the press conference.

Can some tell me what exactly he was referring to when he called something fake news?
Leaked (and unverified) intelligence that Russia has footage of him involved in kinky stuff with prostitutes.

Hilite of the ensuing Trumper tweetrum:
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Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!
[ETA] (yes he does)


I've long since come to the conclusion that Trump only directly denies things about him that are absolutely true.

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I can't help but think he is working pissing the off the American intelligence agencies. He had a zinger towards them



This seems to show a continued distrust.
Part of the US right-wing's continued assault on experts, authority and facts in general.
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Old 11th January 2017, 11:57 AM   #61
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In general, fake news is any news that bad for Trump.
It's incredible how fast this emergent term was co-opted by the very people that it describes, and altered into meaninglessness.
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Originally Posted by Beelzebuddy View Post
Hilite of the ensuing Trumper tweetrum:
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Russia has never tried to use leverage over me. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!
I've long since come to the conclusion that Trump only directly denies things about him that are absolutely true.
Hmm.

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“Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” Trump’s son, Donald Jr., told a real estate conference in 2008, according to an account posted on the website of eTurboNews, a trade publication. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.”
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It's incredible how fast this emergent term was co-opted by the very people that it describes, and altered into meaninglessness.
I've also seen 'alt-left' getting tossed around in comments sections more and more.

I pretty much file stuff like this in with similar arguments like "I'm rubber, you're glue" and "I know you are, but what am I?"
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We're going to transition from post-fact to post-language world pretty soon, it seems.
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Originally Posted by carlosy View Post
I saw some snippets of the press conference.

Can some tell me what exactly he was referring to when he called something fake news?
Fake news grew exponentially over the last year with completely fabricated stories spread via FaceBook and other social media.

Trump embraced fake news when it derided Clinton, and he rejects it as an excuse to deny any and all negative stories about Trump be they true or false.
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I saw some snippets of the press conference.

Can some tell me what exactly he was referring to when he called something fake news?

Here's a recording (by evil RUSSIANS!!!, starts at around 20 min into the video) of the whole thing:

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Here's a recording (by evil RUSSIANS!!!) of the whole thing:

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Why do you think the Russians are evil?

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One good thing that came out of the Trump press conference is that Trump himself essentially admitted that it was the Russians who did the hacking that has been in the news lately.
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Once good thing that came out of the Trump press conference is that Trump himself essentially admitted that it was the Russians who did the hacking that has been in the news lately.
Aw, but I had it on good authority that the hacking was a fairy tale!


ETA: So it was more Trump Confession than Trump Conference?
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I'm glad that he did not take a question from CNN. I hate the bullying that came with it, but there is no legal requirement.
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I've never seen a press conference like that, people around the country have a bit more kick in their step after listening to that. The left is in a complete tail spin.
Like this?:
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Once good thing that came out of the Trump press conference is that Trump himself essentially admitted that it was the Russians who did the hacking that has been in the news lately.
Yes he admitted it, until it's inconvenient that he admitted it and then it will be that he didn't mean to admit it. Everything is fungible.
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The law firm that spoke at the conference and set up the not-at-all-blind trust?

Chambers & Partners Names Morgan Lewis as Russia Law Firm of the Year


A keep checking for indications that it's a joke site. Pretty sure it's legit.
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I've also seen 'alt-left' getting tossed around in comments sections more and more.
I think it's supposed to be 'ctrl-left". Which is clever in my opinion.

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I pretty much file stuff like this in with similar arguments like "I'm rubber, you're glue" and "I know you are, but what am I?"
Well, in the case of the term "tea-bagger," the juvenile name-calling was adopted by the most prominent people on the left, including President Obama himself. I don't think labeling a movement as either alt-right or ctrl-left is as juvenile as that.
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The irony, it burns!
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I think it's supposed to be 'ctrl-left". Which is clever in my opinion.
Hilarious, in fact.

I wonder which group'll get the shift key, then.
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I think it's supposed to be 'ctrl-left". Which is clever in my opinion.



Well, in the case of the term "tea-bagger," the juvenile name-calling was adopted by the most prominent people on the left, including President Obama himself. I don't think labeling a movement as either alt-right or ctrl-left is as juvenile as that.
Adopted by others because that's what the teabaggers called themselves.
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The delete key is going to soon be applied to the Obama administration.
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