Barack Obama - a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln?

And to be called racist gets up my nose.

I surrender, decided that you tell me nothing and I get treated for a fool.

You get called a racist, and treated like a fool? Surely not.


Seriously, you come onto a site devoted to critical thinking, make bizarre assertions about 'four races', reincarnation and souls, and then get upset when you get questioned about whether you have any evidence for it? What did you expect to happen?
 
You get called a racist, and treated like a fool? Surely not.


Seriously, you come onto a site devoted to critical thinking, make bizarre assertions about 'four races', reincarnation and souls, and then get upset when you get questioned about whether you have any evidence for it? What did you expect to happen?

I don't get upset at reasonable questions, but as you know to supply evidence on spirit connection with words is hard to express. You say "devoted critical thinking" do you hear me saying what a stupid fool who believes this or that. Critical thinking means having a open mind, isn't that what reincarnation is all about. I realize that I made a mistake foisting info. at this list. The spirit rule is one must ask the question to be ready for the answer.
 
Since when do spirits have colour bars? Since when do spirits have colours, for that matter?
 
Australia: The trade deadline approaches. We'll take Old Bob, a grotto of destructive wombats and a 5th race to be named later, if you'll take back Rupert Murdoch.
 
Just wrote answer and poof gone, start again. I think I said "sometimes" can you dowse? go to a good medium if you really need to know. don't think colour is the reason , but more the animosity between races which carries on into the after life. Not all our family was lucky and it has little mixing. The ones with out don't know, maybe for the best. You can't become a mason unless you have a spirit, they don't tell just don't let you join the cult. Is Obama a mason?
 
Explain the relative lack of tension between ethnic groups in the state of Hawai'i if the races carry such animosity. Remember, over 19% of the states claims a multi-racial background.

Nit picker, good some get along fine others don't. White boy can't go into black pubs here with out trouble in some outback towns. And blacks get refused entry in some white spots, it's not all ways colour it's behaviour. Other areas like Birdsville(out back Qld)black white who Care's any way we seem to be drifting off Obama reincarnation. Heard he is a 22% mason and if so would have a spirit.
 
Nit picker, good some get along fine others don't. White boy can't go into black pubs here with out trouble in some outback towns. And blacks get refused entry in some white spots, it's not all ways colour it's behaviour. Other areas like Birdsville(out back Qld)black white who Care's any way we seem to be drifting off Obama reincarnation. Heard he is a 22% mason and if so would have a spirit.
Come on Bob I only need one more for a line.

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If you believe that mixing races spoils children, then yes, you are a racist.
Nothing personal there, right? ;)
So please tell me, how exactly am I "spoiled" (assuming that my parents do indeed represent two of your so-called 4 races)?
Unless your mom and dad raised you rotten and stuffed silver spoons down your throat, you and spoiled don't get into the same sentence. Spoiled kids rarely do their homework, and you tend to do yours.
Considering that over 19% of the state of Hawai'i claim a multi-ethnic background
What's an ethnic , oh slightly hypocritical Hawaiian, who takes the piss out of drinking too much Old Grandad bourbon Bob about the conventional (plus a few Bobism's added) social classifications of race? Not everyone is a pedant. I'm not going to attempt to defend Bob's position, it makes me shake my head, but a little consistency might be nice. (See George Carlin on that topic, anytime)
is the state as a whole "spoiled"?
Yes, it surely is, but not for that reason. :p (Granted, my data point is 1991ish, so things may be better now, but that's not what I hear. I appreciate that tastes in states differ. )

Hok, I think Old Bob offered us a service, by serving up a new and unusual permutation on some old memes. I had never heard that mixing race was a deterrent to reincarnation. I really must alert my Hindu friends, they'll want to be informed. :)

DR
 
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Nothing personal there, right? ;)


Moi?

*Innocent look*

Unless your mom and dad raised you rotten and stuffed silver spoons down your throat, you and spoiled don't get into the same sentence. Spoiled kids rarely do their homework, and you tend to do yours.


The spoon was lodged too deeply for me to able to determine the metal content.

What's an ethnic , oh slightly hypocritical Hawaiian, who takes the piss out of drinking too much Old Grandad bourbon Bob about the conventional (plus a few Bobism's added) social classifications of race? Not everyone is a pedant. I'm not going to attempt to defend Bob's position, it makes me shake my head, but a little consistency might be nice. (See George Carlin on that topic, anytime)


Good point and question. I tend to go back and forth using race or ethnicity depending on the specific conversation. The one point I am consistent on is that when discussing the population of Hawai'i, I try my best to use the word ethnic. The vast bulk of the population was imported, generally for field work, and many groups of people are referred to by country of origin for census purposes rather than what most people consider race. For example, most people of European ancestry are lumped together except for the Portuguese. As far as a Hawai'i resident is concerned, a Portagee is a Portagee is a Portagee. I can well imagine a local with a Portuguese mother and Scottish father listing themselves as being of more than one race on a US Census form. Most people outside of Hawai'i would consider that person white.

For a good example of how locals view "race", I defer to Mr. San Cho Lee and friends.

http://www.tropicalstormhawaii.com/cgi-bin/view.cgi?pid=song&song=lj/mr_san_cho_lee.txt

Yes, it surely is, but not for that reason. :p (Granted, my data point is 1991ish, so things may be better now, but that's not what I hear. I appreciate that tastes in states differ. )


Better is relative. As is one's opinion of the state depending which island you are on. ;)

Hok, I think Old Bob offered us a service, by serving up a new and unusual permutation on some old memes. I had never heard that mixing race was a deterrent to reincarnation. I really must alert my Hindu friends, they'll want to be informed. :)

DR


Hopefully those Hindu friends have not married outside of their race. Think of the children!
 
"Asian" and "Chinese" are separate categories? Now I know (as if I didn't before) that you are talking complete nonsense.

That reminds me. I had a Russian friend in high school who always checked the "Asian/Pacific Islander" when asked for his ethnicity. He agreed that race was a spurious concept, and if pressed would just say, "Russia is in Asia."
 
Talk about rattling the chook house, save all the argument and find out if you have a spirit. Must be some one near you who can see. Ask your higher self, feel for ley lines, see a fair dinkem medium. Obe, esp, If all fails the word spoilt comes to mind. Obama most likely follows his mother's side as we all do unless she was out of luck then the fathers side get a chance. Mark C. could have a look in Dr Gene Rays cube, thanks looked him up.
 
Talk about rattling the chook house, save all the argument and find out if you have a spirit. Must be some one near you who can see. Ask your higher self, feel for ley lines, see a fair dinkem medium. Obe, esp, If all fails the word spoilt comes to mind. Obama most likely follows his mother's side as we all do unless she was out of luck then the fathers side get a chance. Mark C. could have a look in Dr Gene Rays cube, thanks looked him up.
Elder Robert, how many pints does it take to craft that post, and what flavor of the amber nectar is suggested?

DR
 
Elder Robert, how many pints does it take to craft that post, and what flavor of the amber nectar is suggested?

DR

We make our own, got a still. Son makes beer, Cactus Mary(wife) makes wine. Daughter makes Liquor. Get the picture? Then we all dress up like the KKK.
 
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A further interesting quote:

It is easy to see why Obama is compared with Lincoln. Both men are tall and slim, politicians from Illinois, remarkably intelligent and able to give a wise and careful reply to a loaded question. There is also something about the shape of Obama’s head that is reminiscent of Lincoln. And it is pleasing to think that the president who released millions of African-Americans from bondage would return as the first African-American to win the Oval Office.

Cheers, Wolfgang
 
Unfortunately, Barack Obama's two presidencies became a big deception for me. If nevertheless Obama turns out to be the current reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln, then we have to conclude that Obama had more luck than Lincoln insofar as he survived, and less luck insofar as he had less possibilities to win out over the system. Or maybe Obama simply had less competent and honest advisors, or he was afraid of kompromat or of the security of his family.

Already years ago I had the intention to come back to this thread when Obama leaves office. Yet in the meanwhile, what I then intended to write has become more or less mainstream in alternative media.

Hope dies last! Therefore I hope now that Trump will succeed in what Obama failed: Disempowerment of the deep state of the United States (i.e. the fascist structures controlling the democratic structures via secret services and mainstream media) and restoration of a more or less democratic system.

Probably even something similar to Khrushchev's de-Stalinization would make sense. We could call it de-Hooverization in commemoration of Edgar Hoover, who had played a major role in transforming the United States into a criminal empire ruled by or via the secret services.

By the way, does somebody know a hypothesis for Donald Trump's previous incarnation? It is quite probable that such a bold, distinct soul must have left traces behind also in his previous incarnations.

Cheers, Wolfgang
www.pandualism.com
 
I opened the thread thinking it was new. Then, I hit Cicero's post. That was a bit jarring.


Ah! Glad you mentioned cicero's post, since there's part of it I'd like to reply to:

... Not to mention Lincoln was a Republican and obama is considered the most liberal politician of his time.


Although cicero appears to be offering that as a dissimilarity, it's actually an interesting similarity between Lincoln and Obama.

In 1860 the Republican Party was the party for people looking for government to take strong action on left-wing causes such as women's rights and abolishing slavery; Democrats back then, in contrast, were the party for people who preferred small government and less interference by the government on social issues. And Lincoln was viewed as a far-out radical, the most radical revolutionary Republican possible -- which is why his election tipped southern conservatives over the edge into seceding.

The exaggerated fear of Lincoln held by 19th-century right-wingers during the 1860 election is similar to the exaggerated fear of Obama expressed by 21st-century right-wingers during the 2008 election (and which some of the less rational right-wingers still express today).

And that leads to another interesting similarity between Lincoln and Obama, because despite the exaggerated fears their political opponents had of these two men's supposed wild-eyed fanaticism and viciousness, both men were actually strong believers in and practitioners of reaching out, of speaking reasonably and temperately, of trying to work with those they disagreed with, of pursuing compromises when possible and preferring moderate actions to radical ones.

In a decade of hyper-partisan rhetoric such as the Limbaughs, Coulters, Hannitys and Trumps routinely engage in, Obama has stood out as an exemplary model of polite and restrained speech. In that I think he has a lot in common with Lincoln. Both men could speak plainly and bluntly when the occasion called for it, and could use humor effectively, but neither engaged in the petty insults and viciousness which so many other politicians routinely engage in. Both realized they were living in a time when the people of the nation were strongly divided, and both worked hard to try to heal some of those divisions or at least not to unnecessarily increase them. They both tried to put out the fires rather than trying to pour gasoline on them.

Obama has a fairly high approval rating as he leaves office, and I suspect it will grow higher over the years as the need many right-wingers have felt for making hyperbolic attacks on him gets transferred to other people they feel a greater need to paint as the greatest threat to freedom of all time.
 
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Obama and Lincoln?
Aside from being elected President while residing in Illinois, that's the end of it.
Chris B.
 

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