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2nd February 2017, 05:35 AM | #41 |
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It's interesting to see how the denunciations from the left are all of the "this hurts our cause" variety. It's a question of tactics for them, not of right and wrong. That's because they actually see Milo and his supporters as evil, not as people who simply have a different point of view and have the same right to express it as anybody else.
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2nd February 2017, 05:46 AM | #44 |
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I don't remember agreeing to tolerate absolutely everything just because most of my political opinions fall into the left-hand side of the American political spectrum.
As in most of life, the Golden Rule applies. This particular jerk doesn't seem keen on tolerance for others, I can't see why he thinks he's in a position to demand it for himself. |
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Well, you're the first anti-Milo poster in the thread to express such a sentiment. Even Puppycow, who is one of the most thoughtful and civil posters here, only expressed disapproval of the riot in terms of its practical effect rather than whether or not it was morally acceptable.
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Well, really it should be "do not unto others as you would have them not do unto you," but, yeah, that's the gist of it. So how does the Golden Rule apply to Milo? He gives speeches and writes articles which attack political correctness and the people who try to enforce it on the rest of the population (for convenience, I'll call them SJWs, but I don't mean it to disparage). The SJWs are already giving speeches and writing articles which denounce Milo and people of his ilk. Have Milo and his supporters ever disrupted an SJW event? Ever harassed SJWs physically, or shouted in their faces up close? Ever rioted? Ever?
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Exactly as I said: he doesn't tolerate others, therefore others don't tolerate him. That his opponents have chosen different tactics doesn't alter the root of the problem. If he wants to run crying to Mommy because people are tired of his crap and didn't confine their disapproval within bounds he's comfortable in, too bad. Actions have consequences. That's politics.
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2nd February 2017, 06:23 AM | #52 |
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President Donald J. Trump on Twitter (February 2, 2017):
"If U.C. Berkeley does not allow free speech and practices violence on innocent people with a different point of view - NO FEDERAL FUNDS?" |
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Milo Yiannopoulos is Jewish, openly gay, and he was born in Greece.
That makes those who hate him and want to silence him anti-semitic, homophobic, and xenophobic. This says a lot about the supposed "tolerance" of the left when they attack and silence a gay Jewish man who hails from a foreign country. Hypocrites. |
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Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable. |
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The right-to-lifers who harass women and doctors at abortion clinics have no sympathy from me. I'll note, however, that in Massachusetts the government has tried to crack down on those people pretty hard.
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Ha! Foolmewunz has just been added to the list of people who aren't complete idiots. Hokulele It's not that liberals have become less tolerant. It's that conservatives have become more intolerable. |
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Gee, one wonders what underlying mechanism might lead one to conclude the tactic is counter-productive.
Oh, right: the fact that it is wrong. Milo and his supporters are evil. They are also people. I see in color, I'm sorry you can't experience this vivid and nuanced world that I do. I'll try to keep my privilege in check. :9 |
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As an extremely liberal person, I would like to openly state my disapproval of this violence. I don't care if it was a gang of angry students, agents provocateur, or the Clinton family reunion in masks. It's bad, and it shouldn't happen.
The worst part about it, other than the violence, is how utterly boring Milo is. I've never read anything from him that was slightly profound, or contained even a hint of insight*. The only reason we hear about him so much is because of these publicity squads the left keeps generating for him. Also, for a good laugh, look up his various defenses of Christianity and Catholicism in particular. * If I'm missing something, by all means, point it out. |
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I just don't understand these violent protesters. Don't they understand it is a huge disservice to their cause?
It reminds me of something I read from an Israeli journalist about 20 years ago who said that if the Palestinians had chosen peaceful protest against Israel instead of war they would be in a much better situation with strong support for their cause and a lot of Jews backing them. With democratic governments and a free press, peaceful protest is always the best approach. |
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The actions at UC Berkeley are typical of the Left wing agenda. They cannot survive when opposing views are expressed so they must silence anyone they don't agree with. These news stories are becoming more common now. I don't know if it's by accident or intentional but the Left is being exposed for what it truly is more and more lately. This is very good and will further shape our next elections.
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I agree that Milo is a boring and predictable troll. But believe it or not, he is doing society a favour with his antics. I've seen video of all sorts of speakers blocked and no-platformed at American universities. I'm not talking Nazis. I'm talking boring old conservatives, people with something positive to say about Israel, moderate critics of Third-wave feminism etc. Their posters get torn down, their audiences blocked, their talks cancelled, the speakers have to come and go under police protection etc etc etc. Imagine Noam Chomsky having to be escorted out the backdoor because conservative students holding the doors shut, locking in the audience and speaker. That is what happened to Ben Shapiro. Meanwhile, Islamists and a whole host of left-winged speakers are welcome to come talk. Milo just puts a big spotlight on this issue and brings to light the hypocrisy, and lack of debate. And with the "protesters" now resorting to violence and vandalism, the mask is definitely slipping. |
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Huh? No, there are many things that are wrong which are not counterproductive (at least to one's immediate cause), and there are many things that are counterproductive which are not wrong. Killing somebody you know for sure to be a serial killer is not counterproductive, but it is wrong.
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2nd February 2017, 08:16 AM | #76 |
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Milo is not boring. He's fascinating. He's also extremely articulate and insightful. Yes, he is intentionally provocative and offensive, and he exaggerates his insights to the point of being obscene, but he has explained some things that I hadn't understood before. I'm happy to start a Milo thread to discuss.
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Just because the Bloc was protesting against a far right speaker, I don't think it means they are leftist. The circled A types are against the entire establishment, and the extreme right/fascist types provide a convenient target.
Pretty sure that is the ultimate goal of a Bloc. |
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