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2nd February 2017, 09:24 PM | #361 |
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Do you have eyewitness testimony to offer? Last time I checked there wasn't much evidentiary weight to a statement of incredulity. |
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Was going to post this CNN article about subsequent developments:
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My understanding is that the University itself was in favor of free speech. The "Black Bloc" is a cancer.
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I don't believe fascists[*] when they whine about anarchists.
* you've outed yourself quite clearly with claiming that things anarchists do, such as housing for homeless and refugees, provision of free stuff to poor people, providing free food to those who need it, etc are "nothing of value". |
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No, I don't have people on film admitting they stole money and left their fellow protesters to rot in jail alone (yay solidarity?). But this corroborates the direct action. So again: what's your counter-claim? Who do you cite? |
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And this is part of the Progressive movement, why? How?
The anarchists are much closer to the Bundy crowd than they are to Progressives. Look at the Women's March on the 21st. Millions of women, men and kids all over the world protesting Trump and his bigoted, racist, misogynist pals and it was 100% peaceful as far as I know. That is the Progressive movement. Anarchists love to latch on to a protest, ever since the WTO protests in this neck of the woods where there were indeed more Progressives and liberals that made a statement against trade and corporations that left workers and the disadvantaged in terrible straights they seem to come out to every major event. I've been an anti-war activist since I was in my teens. There have always been the tagalongs trying to claim the crowd was for their causes most people in the protest never heard of. Sometime the protest leaders were successful marginalizing the tagger-ons, sometimes they were allowed to march with their minority opinion signs. The Socialist Workers Party are your classic leaches trying to make it look like a march agrees with them when we don't. This is the same crap. Protest organizers need to learn from the successful methods of marginalizing these idiots and not letting them take credit for a massive movement that are not there to support their nonsense. |
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I don't believe criminals when they whine about good journalism.
You've outed yourself quite clearly with claiming that things anarchists do, like lying to people about the risks they are about to involve themselves in, ripping off their fellow activists, leaving them to rot, and having no actual real intention to do any of these 'outreach to the vulnerable' activities you claim to support, are the hallmarks of true committed protest. |
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Which corroborates elements of my report.
So far the ratio of evidence is infinite in comparison to the jack **** you have. ETA: 20 minutes of video, 5 minutes between post and reply on timestamps. So you didn't even watch them, did you? More lies, so even if you do rebut me, you've got a credibility issue, too. |
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Oh, and the gal giving the interview in those clips above?
She and her boyfriend set the action up. They never once stepped foot in the building, so they technically broke no laws and went home that night (they didn't stay in camp). Yay solidarity? Her boyfriend was known for his temper and would pull a knife on people. The camp was on a plaza that was state property, not city. There was a judicial order preventing their eviction. State cops never did anything (out of retribution) and city cops had no jurisdiction, so we couldn't oust him. |
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Ah yes, another clear distinction between fascism and leftism. Fascism is obsessed with crime and punishment (such as the praxis of collaborating with the police to get people arrested you promoted earlier) and considers so-called "criminals" to have bad inherent characteristics making them "not to be believed".
This stands in clear opposition to anarchism, which uphold a praxis of organizing prisoners to fight for better conditions and forming prisoner support groups and a position opposed to prisons. This is shared in general by leftists, such as non-anarchist socialist Eugene Debbs:
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Liberalism is a cancer.
Again, just so that protesters don't make the mistake of thinking these people are allies. Milo was planning at his gathering to out undocumented students. These students could get into trouble with immigration authorities and possibly have to stop their education at UC Berkeley or even be deported. Leftists employed a black bloc tactic and prevented this from happening. Liberals on the other hand would happily throw undocumented students, or anyone else targeted by Milo & co, under the bus to further their own interests. |
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Is there any actual proof that the people in masks inflicting violence and destroying property were liberal or progressive? These could just be thrill-seekers wishing for a purge night.
Side note: Milo is a homophobic Uncle Tom. |
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It was reported that some of them were arrested and they were not students of the university. True, we can't know about all of them, but that's why I put my caveat. The university statement claimed they were outsiders.
Here's that article again: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us...ulos-berkeley/ |
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As far as that where they are on the spectrum, I just call it 'off-scale'.
Thrill-seeking is certainly part of it. I put them at a half-step remove from 'vacation protesters' who zip around from one flare-up of civil unrest to another almost like their overriding ambition is create a facebook 'check-in' portfolio of their faux-activism. There is certainly overlap in that regard, as well. I saw one guy in 3 cities within about a 6 month stretch. He would usually find a woman to crash with in short order, he bragged to me about using different names everywhere 'so these chicks don't find out about each other.'
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Well, they will have searchable public records of the arrests and one could start chasing down details through social media and whatnot.
But one wonders where the enthusiasm to do so might generate from since facts don't matter anyways. Just take a glance back up the thread a ways for examples. |
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First of all, I don't believe that all of the troublemakers were unaffiliated with the university. The probability of that seems rather close to zero.
More importantly, however, it's completely irrelevant. It was up to the university (as well as the city) to provide adequate security, and it didn't. Perhaps on purpose. Both the university administrators and the city mayor actually incited protests to some extent as well. Especially the city mayor. I think there is ample evidence that the 1st Amendment rights of Milo, the organizers of his talk, and the people who had tickets to the event were violated by both the university and the city of Berkeley. |
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That's ridiculous. There isn't a progressive pundit around who could hold a candle to Milo in a debate. He's a deeper thinker than any of them. Far more articulate. And funny as hell. He may be a troll part of the time (much of the time actually), but he's certainly not a paint-by-numbers troll.
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