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varwoche said:
According to various talking heads on CNN, ethics complaints filed by outside groups happen constantly, and they rarely progress -- this is background noise. It's merely an excuse covering for Ryan taking action due to Nunes' spectacular loss of credibility.
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Drip, drip, drip ...
 
I guess the Trump - Putin honeymoon period is over with US missile strike on the Syrian airfield that the US clsims launched the sarin attack.
 
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I guess whatever leverage Putin & Pals may have thought they had over Trump wasn't enough. One advantage of a president who can generate scandals more powerful than any blackmail with just one tweet.
 
jimbob said:
I guess the Trump - Putin honeymoon period is over with US missile strike on the Syrian airfield that the US clsims launched the sarin attack.
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Since Putin and Trump were bed partners, I wonder if Putin is going to ask Trump for a divorce.
 
BREAKING:

Der Postillon said:
Moscow (dpo) - Just a few hours after the US attack on an air base in Syria, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced today that he has manipulated the presidential election in the US. He was sincerely sorry that it would likely have to be repeated - without the discredited Donald Trump, of course.
Speaking at a specially convened press conference, Putin said: "It is perhaps a rather unfavorable time, but my bad conscience forces me to finally make a confession: we have manipulated the US election in November by hacking attacks on the Democrats, agreements with the Trump team and a gigantic fake news campaign."
The Russian government would promptly provide proof that the outcome of the presidential election was undemocratic.
The Russian President deeply regretted that the election would have to be repeated. "Now that it is known that we have manipulated them, it is, of course, impossible for Donald Trump to remain president."
Putin doubts that Trump-Rival Hillary Clinton, who also called for air strikes against Assad, will run again either. "The woman is burned politically after she has been hacked by a foreign government."
Fortunately, there are other good politicians in the US, the Russian President stated confidently. "We ... I mean, of course, the US citizens will sure find the right candidate in the end!"
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Yes, of course it is Satire. Although he could do it, and maybe he should. ;)
 
a_unique_person said:
Putin was never Trump's pal. Trump was just Putins useful idiot to stir up the chaos in the USA political system.
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That's about the size of it.

I think Putin despises Western democracy, which he regards as a hypocritical sham, and is delighting in how easy - and cheap - it appears to be to screw it around.
 
Civet said:
I guess whatever leverage Putin & Pals may have thought they had over Trump wasn't enough. One advantage of a president who can generate scandals more powerful than any blackmail with just one tweet.
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That's okay, the goal posts will be moved to accommodate.


a_unique_person said:
Putin was never Trump's pal. Trump was just Putins useful idiot to stir up the chaos in the USA political system.
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CapelDodger said:
That's about the size of it.

I think Putin despises Western democracy, which he regards as a hypocritical sham, and is delighting in how easy - and cheap - it appears to be to screw it around.
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And the Russian narrative begins to fall apart. I think you give Putin too much credit.
 
jimbob said:
I guess the Trump - Putin honeymoon period is over with US missile strike on the Syrian airfield that the US clsims launched the sarin attack.
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Civet said:
I guess whatever leverage Putin & Pals may have thought they had over Trump wasn't enough. One advantage of a president who can generate scandals more powerful than any blackmail with just one tweet.
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skyeagle409 said:
Since Putin and Trump were bed partners, I wonder if Putin is going to ask Trump for a divorce.
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I do believe, while this may be true, it is almost certainly too soon to be planning the funeral.
 
mgidm86 said:
That's okay, the goal posts will be moved to accommodate.







And the Russian narrative begins to fall apart. I think you give Putin too much credit.
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What's falling apart about it. Seems to me the investigations are proceeding. I have little doubt we'll see further evidence of collusion.

Maybe Trump will want to bomb Russia next to throw the dogs off the scent.
 
uke2se said:
What's falling apart about it. Seems to me the investigations are proceeding. I have little doubt we'll see further evidence of collusion.

Maybe Trump will want to bomb Russia next to throw the dogs off the scent.
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Yep, but he'll call Russia first to make sure they're okay with it.
 
Chabad of Port Washington, a Jewish community center on Long Island’s Manhasset Bay, sits in a squat brick edifice across from a Shell gas station and a strip mall. The center is an unexceptional building on an unexceptional street, save for one thing: Some of the shortest routes between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin run straight through it.

Two decades ago, as the Russian president set about consolidating power on one side of the world, he embarked on a project to supplant his country’s existing Jewish civil society and replace it with a parallel structure loyal to him. On the other side of the world, the brash Manhattan developer was working to get a piece of the massive flows of capital that were fleeing the former Soviet Union in search of stable assets in the West, especially real estate, and seeking partners in New York with ties to the region.

Their respective ambitions led the two men—along with Trump’s future son-in-law, Jared Kushner—to build a set of close, overlapping relationships in a small world that intersects on Chabad, an international Hasidic movement most people have never heard of.

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President Trump has reportedly sought security clearances for Kushner and Ivanka, who have taken on growing roles in his White House. For anyone else, a close personal relationship with the family of a top Putin confidant would present significant hurdles to obtaining security clearances, former high-ranking intelligence officials said, but political pressure to grant clearances to the president’s children would be likely to override any security concerns.

“Yes, such connections to Russia should matter for a clearance,” said Steve Hall, a former CIA Moscow station chief. “Question is, will they?”

“I don’t think the Trump family camp will have any trouble with security clearances, as long as there’s no polygraph involved,” said Milt Bearden, former chief of the CIA’s Eastern European division. “It’s absolutely crazy, but not going to be an issue.”
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http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...sh-group-that-connects-trump-and-putin-215007

Close but still informal relationships like these are ripe for being compromised by spies. Moreover it should be a prime target for investigation for evidence of collusion between Trumps presidential campaign and Russia.
 
uke2se said:
What's falling apart about it. Seems to me the investigations are proceeding. I have little doubt we'll see further evidence of collusion.

Maybe Trump will want to bomb Russia next to throw the dogs off the scent.
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thaiboxerken said:
Yep, but he'll call Russia first to make sure they're okay with it.
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Yes now that more details have come in - it does look a bit like that... except for the law of unintended consequences. I don't imagine that Trump is going to personally be impressed by a joint statement by Russia, Iran and Assad saying that a red line has been crossed by the US and that they'd retaliate if it was crossed again...

I would think that Russia would not want to draw attention to the fact that it's allied with Iran in this situation.

Mind you, I have been asking my colleagues how long before the contradictions in Trump's foreign policy approach would start to cause problems - supporting both Israel and Ia key ally of Iran was always going to be problematic. I do have a horrible suspicion it does make sense if you have a fear of Islam as your main concern. Russia - the bastion of Christendom.
 
CapelDodger said:
That's about the size of it.

I think Putin despises Western democracy, which he regards as a hypocritical sham, and is delighting in how easy - and cheap - it appears to be to screw it around.
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IMHO Putin hoped both to destabilize the US AND put somebody in the White House he could easily mainipulate into a pro Russian policy. He suceeeded in the first but failed in the second, because Putin did not cover his tracks well enough.
And whether the destablisation of US politics will work as well for Russia as Putin has hoped remains to be seen.
Putin might not have been as clever as he thought he was being.
 
The_Animus said:
An Onion article from April 7th titled: "Trump Confident U.S. Military Strike on Syria Wiped Out Russian Scandal"

http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-confident-us-military-strike-syria-wiped-out-55722

Today in an interview with the Telegraph, Eric Trump said: "If there was anything that Syria did, it was to vindicate the fact there its no Russia tie."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ction-syria-proves-not-league-putin-says-son/

:D
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Alec Baldwin said something similar on SNL.
 
jimbob said:
I guess the Trump - Putin honeymoon period is over with US missile strike on the Syrian airfield that the US clsims launched the sarin attack.
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CapelDodger said:
That's about the size of it.

I think Putin despises Western democracy, which he regards as a hypocritical sham, and is delighting in how easy - and cheap - it appears to be to screw it around.
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The mere fact that there ever was a honeymoon should be sufficient to give you all something unpleasant to think about. Follow the reasoning:

If Trump is enough of a foghat to make Putin think his election would sow the seeds of chaos in the U.S. then that makes Putin a foghat as well, because he was crazy enough to help a foghat gain control of an arsenal which could glass Putin's entire world in minutes.

Which would mean that the leaders of the two countries with the planet's largest nuclear arsenals are both foghats.

Which would mean, in turn, that the tens of millions of people who blindly follow the two foghats are also foghats.

And even if Putin is wrong and Trump is not a foghat, Putin still is a foghat, because he helped what he believes is a foghat gain control of the arsenal, much of which is aimed straight at him.

Think about that for a while. Then, if you have survivalist tendencies, you can begin construction of your bunker in a motivated state of mind.
 
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Toontown said:
The mere fact that there ever was a honeymoon should be sufficient to give you all something unpleasant to think about. Follow the reasoning:

If Trump is enough of a foghat to make Putin think his election would sow the seeds of chaos in the U.S. then that makes Putin a foghat as well, because he was crazy enough to help a foghat gain control of an arsenal which could glass Putin's entire world in minutes.

Which would mean that the leaders of the two countries with the planet's largest nuclear arsenals are both foghats.

Which would mean, in turn, that the tens of millions of people who blindly follow the two foghats are also foghats.

Think about that for a while. Then, if you have survivalist tendencies, you can begin construction of your bunker in a motivated state of mind.
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I know the band called Foghat, but I'm afraid I don't know the idiom. Am I right in thinking that a foghat is an unpredictable person?
 
dudalb said:
IMHO Putin hoped both to destabilize the US AND put somebody in the White House he could easily mainipulate into a pro Russian policy. He suceeeded in the first but failed in the second, because Putin did not cover his tracks well enough.And whether the destablisation of US politics will work as well for Russia as Putin has hoped remains to be seen.
Putin might not have been as clever as he thought he was being.
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Sounds like 9/11 Truther Talk.
 
phiwum said:
I know the band called Foghat, but I'm afraid I don't know the idiom. Am I right in thinking that a foghat is an unpredictable person?
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I couldn't find a definition for the idiom. I can only tell you that my personal definition is someone who is mentally unstable.
 
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Jules Galen said:
Sounds like 9/11 Truther Talk.
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Uh, it has pretty much been established that PUtin was playing games with the US election. What the fighting is about is how much the Trump Campaign knew about it and when did they know it.
But I have noted you seem to have become a pretty big defender of Putin.
 
dudalb said:
Uh, it has pretty much been established that PUtin was playing games with the US election. What the fighting is about is how much the Trump Campaign knew about it and when did they know it.
But I have noted you seem to have become a pretty big defender of Putin.
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No it hasn't. Not at all.
 
Toontown said:
I couldn't find a definition for the idiom. I can only tell you that my personal definition is someone who is mentally unstable.
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Ok, thanks. There must be an origin story for that band name. I don't know it, and that bugs me.
 
phiwum said:
Ok, thanks. There must be an origin story for that band name. I don't know it, and that bugs me.
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Nor do I. More accurately, I sometimes use the term for someone whose reasoning is fogged by disinformation and/or questionable ideology.
 
FBI obtained FISA warrant to monitor former Trump adviser Carter Page

The FBI obtained a secret court order last summer to monitor the communications of an adviser to presidential candidate Donald Trump, part of an investigation into possible links between Russia and the campaign, law enforcement and other U.S. officials said.

The FBI and the Justice Department obtained the warrant targeting Carter Page’s communications after convincing a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court judge that there was probable cause to believe Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, in this case Russia, according to the officials.

This is the clearest evidence so far that the FBI had reason to believe during the 2016 presidential campaign that a Trump campaign adviser was in touch with Russian agents. Such contacts are now at the center of an investigation into whether the campaign coordinated with the Russian government to swing the election in Trump’s favor.
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Tillerson/Russian counterpart press conference: Pretty interesting.

Both gave Russia an out throwing Assad under the bus for the chemical bombs.

Russian counterpart notes that the US wasn't going after Al Nusra, that's why Russia is bombing Assad enemies the US considered allies.

Both agree fighting ISIL is a higher priority than Assad.

Russia denies the email hacks, Tillerson says the US has enough evidence.
 
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