The Trump Presidency

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Cl1mh4224rd said:
Ehh... This is a stretch. Was Obama also receiving the medal when he bowed? And was Trump's bow out of deference to royalty, or as a convenience when receiving the medal?
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I doubt either were out of deference. They were both common courteously but Fox has a narrative to push.
 
Stacko said:
I doubt either were out of deference. They were both common courteously but Fox has a narrative to push.
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Fair point, and I agree. Like a handshake, sometimes bowing is just an expected courtesy, and not some contract or declaration of fealty.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Pence, so Christian he can't sit at a dinner table if a woman not his wife is the only other person there, but he can lie lie lie about contacts with Russians during and just after the campaign.

New report indicates Trump officials lied repeatedly about campaign’s contacts with Russia
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It turns out the Sargent Schultz maneuver is Pence's go to.

While Governor of Indiana, Pence used the old "had no knowledge" chestnut to distance himself from scandal. And it was just as absurd then as it is now.

Perhaps most famously, Pence claimed, exactly as he is now, that he learned from the press about the proposal for a state-run and taxpayer-funded news (propaganda) outlet: "I frankly learned about the memo from press reports late Monday."

He made this incredible claim despite the fact that two employees had already been hired; that "a governance board of communications directors" had been established; that a draft story had already been circulated; and that Pence himself had tweeted about it.

And he claimed that he learned about it from the media, just as he is claiming now.
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
Fair point, and I agree. Like a handshake, sometimes bowing is just an expected courtesy, and not some contract or declaration of fealty.
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All this fuss over a medal that has about a much significance as an SCA award.
I take that back. An SCA award has more sigfificence. You actually have to have done something to get an award in the SCA.
 
The Don said:
Perhaps it used to be, and maybe it it elsewhere in the Arabic world, but Saudi has had enough exposure to Western culture that the meaning has changed.
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I've been in an Islamist country and saw people violating these so-called cultural norms several times. In a Net search I did not see any warnings that the sign was derogatory in Saudi Arabia.
 
dudalb said:
All this fuss over a medal that has about a much significance as an SCA award.
I take that back. An SCA award has more sigfificence. You actually have to have done something to get an award in the SCA.
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DJT probably thinks it's for bringing peace to the Middle East.
 
The Don said:
Perhaps it used to be, and maybe it it elsewhere in the Arabic world, but Saudi has had enough exposure to Western culture that the meaning has changed.
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Too bad things like secularism and treating women like human beings haven't rubbed off yet.
 
“I think everyone who voted for him knew his personality was grotesque.." Ann Coulter
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Ann Coulter's motives notwithstanding, she's got a large fan base and they're obviously influenced by her. I don't think, however, she gets too far out ahead of them. When Coulter thinks it's okay to start using words like "grotesque" and "fascist" when talking about Donnie I'd say there are some large cracks forming in his base.

The barrage of blather from the Trumpster has been virtually nonstop since January 20th -- while nothing of any real importance ever seems to get done -- and I think many people are beginning to become exhausted by it. Even the Trumpanzees.
 
Picked this up on PBS News Hour this morning NZ time...

"George Washington is the President who cannot tell a lie; Richard Nixon is the President who cannot tell the truth; Donald Trump is the President who cannot tell the difference"
- Mark Shields - American political columnist and commentator at PBS

Just golden!
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I think hyperbole weakens, rather than strengthens, whatever case one may have.
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I have missed what passing AHCA and getting rid of net neutrality will do? They are attempting to take away healthcare and ruin the internet.
 
rwguinn said:
interesting and succinct take on the problem here...
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...s-conservative-cognitive-dissonance-untenable
I happen to agree with this.
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It's not a bad article except the problem isn't that Trump isn't demonstrating a conservative demeanor it's that he doesn't demonstrate an adult behavior.

His insistence to make everything good or bad about HIM makes me want to vomit. People are great because he says they are. Calling the director of the FBI a nutjob? Nobody and I mean nobody but Trump would describe the director that way. His need to have his ego stroked and to be right is something you would expect of a spoiled 6 year old. The man has ZERO impulse control. In his mind he is smarter than anyone else so any advice you give him is very likely to go in one ear and out the other.

Being a conservative isn't what makes him unfit for the job even though I'm not going to be supporting a conservative. It's that HE'S NOT FIT for this job and I don't care what happens, Trump is never going to be.
 
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I happen to agree with this (which Anderson Cooper says he regrets having said). While interviewing Jeffrey Lord, a conservative political commentator on CNN, the subject of Trump's remarks to the Russian delegation in the Oval Office came up. Lord said he didn't care what Trump said to the Russians, "He's the president of the United States." Cooper interjected:
"If he took a dump on his desk, you would defend it," Cooper said to a surprised Lord, who laughed at the remark. Link
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acbytesla said:
It's not a bad article except the problem isn't that Trump isn't demonstrating a conservative demeanor it's that he doesn't demonstrate an adult behavior.

His insistence to make everything good or bad about HIM makes me want to vomit. People are great because he says they are. Calling the director of the FBI a nutjob? Nobody and I mean nobody but Trump would describe the director that way. His need to have his ego stroked and to be right is something you would expect of a spoiled 6 year old.

Being a conservative isn't what makes him unfit for the job even though I'm not going to be supporting a conservative. It's that HE'S NOT FIT for this job and I don't care what happens, Trump is never going to be.
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As the article states, that's a totally different subject.
But branding Conservatives as evil because of Trump is a big mistake.

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rwguinn said:
As the article states, that's a totally different subject.
But branding Conservatives as evil because of Trump is a big mistake.

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I agree. Conservatives have been evil long before Trump was a thing.
 
rwguinn said:
As the article states, that's a totally different subject.
But branding Conservatives as evil because of Trump is a big mistake.

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Conservatives are not evil because Trump is a big mistake. But they may be evil if they recognize Trump to be a mistake and ignore the problem.
 
rwguinn said:
As the article states, that's a totally different subject.
But branding Conservatives as evil because of Trump is a big mistake.

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What shall we call them then? Ignorant? Too easily conned? So bent on minority rule they aren't opposed to cons and cheats?

Or well-meaning but misguided?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
What shall we call them then? Ignorant? Too easily conned? So bent on minority rule they aren't opposed to cons and cheats?

Or well-meaning but misguided?
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Arrogantly well meaning, but misguided, perhaps, far too much of the time? Too fearful of change and enamored with the concept of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" even if it's quite demonstrable that there's dramatically better options?
 
rwguinn said:
As the article states, that's a totally different subject.
But branding Conservatives as evil because of Trump is a big mistake.

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How about;

"... branding [some] Conservatives as evil because of [their self-serving and hypocritical support for] Trump [for no other reason than to further their own careers ... even at the expense of the entire country] ..."?

Because if that's a big mistake it's one I'm willing to make anyway. Let the Trumpettes try to keep smearing lipstick on their pig. It won't change the truth.
 
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He bowed to the Saudi king after criticizing Obama for seemingly doing the same
 
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