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2nd June 2017, 10:12 AM | #41 |
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Ignoring the snipped PoMo blather to focus on the above. The previous "days without <x>" did NOT involve others asking people of a certain demographic to vanish for a day. It involved those people voluntarily absenting THEMSELVES from things for a day, to draw attention to their contribution to society. The case here isn't white folks suggesting they absent themselves from campus. It's PoCs taking a day that was traditionally them absent themselves from campus, but deciding this year to tell people who had the wrong skin pigment that they ought to absent themselves, then calling for firings and violence when they weren't kowtowed to. Hypocrisy level of those taking issue with this particular 'day without' : zero. |
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It is the same thing, there are different levels of severity for PTSD. One of those is paranoia or lack of trust that you won't be treated equitably.
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Two wrongs apparently do make a right to some people
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The point is no one should have ever been asked to volunteer for a day of absence for discussing racism in separate groups. Anti-racism should be inculcated into everyday living, everyone should be considered just people, and to treat each other with respect accordingly.
That isn't likely to happen until the trauma of slavery and its lasting affects on the people involved are addressed. You can't resolve something without addressing the root cause. |
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There's no such thing, it's an invention of the white-guilt-obsessed academic middle classes. Multigenerational nonsense and transgenerational balls. It demeans the very word, or acronym, PTSD, which brings real suffering to millions worldwide.
Get over what? Get over having the opportunity to study in a top class academic environment? Get over living in relative wealth in one of the most prosperous countries on Earth? Get over having the opportunity to gain solid and prosperous employment? Get over being in a position to excel beyond the wildest dreams of 99% of the world's population? What is it exactly they are having trouble 'getting over', other than the abject nonsense of eternal subjugation put about by black power nutters and guilt-raddled leftists? Funny, that, how ordering people to stay away from the educational establishment they pay to attend based solely on the colour of their skin could cause problems. |
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What else could you call it? The assumption, right or wrong, that someone doesn't have your best interests at heart based on your skin color because of what happened to your ancestors for hundreds of years isn't PTSD?
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2nd June 2017, 10:24 AM | #50 |
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No one asked immigrants or women to do their recent 'day without', it was their idea. Just as it was the idea of PoCs on this campus in prior years to absent themselves. This year one group told another group they'd best not be around. You're drawing an equivalence where it simply doesn't exist, and missing the actual problem in a rush to find a reason to excuse and coddle some privileged racist college students and their Oppression Olympics coaches. |
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It's very valid. Cultural identity is a part of what partially defines us as individuals. If you think of culture as an entity alone, and you have a person that identifies with that group or culture what do you think they are going to be taught generation after generation to preserve their safety? They will be taught not to trust the other entity or members of that group that identify with the persecuting culture. It's not a conscious decision at this point it's a default mindset. But the trauma didn't end after the civil war, African Americans might have been free on paper, but they are still fighting for equity in U.S. society as evidenced by the suicide and incarceration rates of young African American males.
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2nd June 2017, 10:47 AM | #55 |
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I think that's uncharitable to Weinstein. Read this article he wrote:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cam...140067a949560d There's a major problem with many of the professors in academia and what they're teaching students, but Weinstein recognizes it, and he wasn't part of that problem. |
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I'm talking about the students invoking black power. That reaction is a direct result of the acculturation of slavery and over 200 years of persecution.
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Does the same concept apply to Jewish people, Chinese people, First Nations, and both Irish & Scottish people in the US? A large portion of Irish & Scots in the US ended up here because England sent them over as "indentured servants" because of rebellion in Britain. Many Chinese people were severely mistreated, denied rights, and kept in extremely limited roles because of their ancestry and foreignness (there's a reason for Chinese Laundries and Restaurants being such a prevalent stereotype). And let's not even start on the abhorrent treatment of First Nations people time and again by the US government.
Basically, the US government has pretty much been total jerkwads to a ton of people over and over again. |
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If you go back to my original post on the topic, I pretty clearly prefaced it by saying this was just my opinion. I didn't say it was an established fact. I don't believe there is data to support the idea one way or another, but anecdotally speaking, I know it to be a factor in at least a couple of cases.
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It's definitely a thing, it's related to the reason why over half a million ostensibly decent people voted for the BNP (an openly racist party of parochial incompetents) in the 2010 UK general election. They were concerned about immigration and what they perceived as a relegation to second-class citizenship, but every time they spoke out about it they were called racists and bigots. The main parties ignored the issue and so the voters felt pushed into taking extreme action, i.e. voting for the BNP. Happily it made little difference in the UK but in other European countries it has led to an exponential rise of the far right. Now clearly these are bigger topics than a bunch of racists and lunatics on a campus, and not directly comparable, but it is this sense of racial and national unfairness that, if elevated beyond a certain threshold, can cause people to over-compensate in their political leanings.
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I see a problem with that.
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I would say for sure it has. The number doesn't have to be extremely large to have a big effect. There are 2 parties. 2 or 3 out of 100 would have a large effect. I can only tell you what I observe. I'm not sure if the issue has been studied or who any definitive conclusions would be made.
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Also has anyone else been stunned by the behavior of the college president in all of this? You get the feeling that if the protesters asked him to wear dress or pull them around in a cart like a donkey, he would have no problem doing it.
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No, I don't see the hypocrisy. Here, let me clarify this for you.
Prior to this year, brown people asked other brown people to take a day of absence with them to demonstrate to white people how valuable brown people are, and to show how integral brown people are to a society that has repeatedly undervalued them. This year, brown people told white people that they should take a day of absence instead of them... but there isn't a clear explanation of what that is supposed to accomplish. |
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Maybe I'm missing something, but the people involved are all dead now.
Look, there are definitely societal issues around race in the US. There are inequities, there are discrepancies in treatment, and there are institutional carry-overs that disproportionately affect some classes of people. But to call it PTSD caused by slavery really stretches the meaning of all the words in that sentence. We can discuss the effects and the problems without needing to resort to hyperbole. |
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I think the real purpose has nothing to do with equality, and everything with the acquisition of power for a small group of radical activist. That's why disagreement isn't tolerated. It isn't really about convincing people. The threats (be it violence, public shaming, the loss of a job) are integral to this purpose: people must be made to be afraid of opposing these activists.
Maybe things were different when this started in the 70's, but as Hoffer said, “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” He's wrong, though: step 2 is optional. |
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That's the kind of school Evergreen State is; it's long been a training ground for the extreme left wing. You may recall Rachel Corrie, the gal who managed to get herself run over by a bulldozer that was destroying some Palestinian houses in Israel (the IDF says they were connected to tunnels used to smuggle weapons). Corrie was from Evergreen State.
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