Moderated Is belief itself dangerous for your brain? (A rethink is in order)

Are you projecting?

That you have beliefs, does not suddenly render me a believer in anything.

Belief is for toddlers, that are unable to observe that one need not believe in science, for science holds true regardless. Furthermore, belief opposes the scientific methodology, and humans are better of with science.

You err. You hold a whole lot of beliefs. Else, you could not function. Start with gravity, for example. You simply believe it works on faith. Take your pen/pencil/whatever, hold it in the air. now let go. What happens? Well, it drops to the floor/desk/whatever, right?

Do you believe the same thing will happen tomorrow if you repeat the experiment? Or the next day? Or the day after that?
 
You err. You hold a whole lot of beliefs. Else, you could not function. Start with gravity, for example. You simply believe it works on faith. Take your pen/pencil/whatever, hold it in the air. now let go. What happens? Well, it drops to the floor/desk/whatever, right?

Do you believe the same thing will happen tomorrow if you repeat the experiment? Or the next day? Or the day after that?

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ProgrammingGodJordan said:
Are you projecting?

That you have beliefs, does not suddenly render me a believer in anything.

Belief is for toddlers, that are unable to observe that one need not believe in science, for science holds true regardless. Furthermore, belief opposes the scientific methodology, and humans are better of with science.
 
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Whoo Boy.

Another slow motion trainwreck disguised as a thread.

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Yet another brain enamoured by belief.

Come...

..is it but not yet time to doff your silly belief bound regime?

Why do you garner that belief (having no high concern for evidence) does not oppose science (with no such lacking)?
 
And still the malady lingers.

The tragic waste of electrical energy consumed to disseminate your nonsense is bad enough.

Your insistence that it has value beyond the entertainment provided is just plain sad.

Here is a task, belief enamoured being:
Identify any logical errors in the following:

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Here is a task, belief enamoured being:
Identify any logical errors in the following:

[qimg]http://i.imgur.com/MqHVzaA.png[/qimg]

No theory is improved by the insertion of gobbledygook.

I doubt your particular fantasy of intellectual importance could be improved by anything short of retraction and apology.
 
No theory is improved by the insertion of gobbledygook.

I doubt your particular fantasy of intellectual importance could be improved by anything short of retraction and apology.

Here is an exercise.

Attempt to unravel this quantum computing based mathematical summary of mine.

Perhaps then your responses shall better reflect critical thinking; for it is activities such as the above, that has engendered my current thought cycles.
 
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I'd rather have my garage door slam on my man junk than wade through your pseudo intellectual nonsense.

Ohhhhh....my post 9,666.....must mean something significant...why was this post directed to the brainy one....must re-compute...
 
Belief

"You keep saying that word. I don't think it means what you think it means." (Inigo Montoya, 'The Princess Bride')

You believe Belief requires religion to "exist". Not so, the rest of us believe gravity will enable us to safely leave our beds after sleep, you deny that you believe this. But I bet you perform NO checks when you roll out of bed......

One of the definitions of belief is a strongly held opinion. Your strongly held opinion is that you do not believe. Therefore, you have contradicted your own premise simply by insisting it's the 'only way.'

You keep insisting that science and belief are incompatible. Not so, continuing research in science requires the BELIEF that the preceding scientists did their jobs correctly, not first re-proving the underlying science before going onto the next discovery. It requires the strongly held opinion that the preceding scientists did their work. Opinion is a synomyn for belief. Find a dictionary you have not self-edited and check it out.

My opinion is that there will be air for me to breathe tomorrow. Do you believe that, too?
 
Belief

"You keep saying that word. I don't think it means what you think it means." (Inigo Montoya, 'The Princess Bride')

You believe Belief requires religion to "exist". Not so, the rest of us believe gravity will enable us to safely leave our beds after sleep, you deny that you believe this. But I bet you perform NO checks when you roll out of bed......

One of the definitions of belief is a strongly held opinion. Your strongly held opinion is that you do not believe. Therefore, you have contradicted your own premise simply by insisting it's the 'only way.'

You keep insisting that science and belief are incompatible. Not so, continuing research in science requires the BELIEF that the preceding scientists did their jobs correctly, not first re-proving the underlying science before going onto the next discovery. It requires the strongly held opinion that the preceding scientists did their work. Opinion is a synomyn for belief. Find a dictionary you have not self-edited and check it out.

My opinion is that there will be air for me to breathe tomorrow. Do you believe that, too?

I really wish he had used the word 'faith' and not 'belief'. There are rational beliefs and irrational beliefs. Faith is by its very definition an irrational belief.
 
It shall be quite some time, before humanity purges its selective belief bound nature.

Non beliefism's rate of expansion is thusly expected.

Good luck with that.

You might want to look into signing Krusty the Clown as your spokesman. It might class up your pitch enough to get a rube to listen - forget Sideshow Bob, he's too sophisticated for your intended market.
 
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It shall be quite some time, before humanity purges its selective belief bound nature.

Non beliefism's rate of expansion is thusly expected.

What thusly expected rate of expansion are you referring to? Or, did you just mean to say that you expected your "..ism" to expand, and threw in a gratiuitous rate because it looked more "sciency"?
 
Yes, some beliefs are harmful, but also, it is scientifically observable, that the very concept of belief opposes scientific methodology.

Did you forget that science is mankind's best tool? Oops.

Recall:

You've still completely failed to show that it is scientifically observable that the very concept of belief opposes scientific methodology. Your presented argument is simply you repeating baseless assertion that wasn't accepted before because it was baseless and the logic employed fails even basic inspection. Given the logic you're pushing, you are still effectively arguing that liquid in general is in opposition to human bodies because most liquids are not helpful to the survival of a human body. Indeed, that you are special pleading is pretty much unavoidable because the logic you're trying to claim is obviously the case doesn't ever work.

You forget that science is a system that is constantly updated.

That science has models that require reconstitution, does not suddenly render science to be a belief.

You've got no relevant response, then? You've addressed nothing that I said there.

You are still one who believes, (i.e. a believer).

I do accept numerous things provisionally. Going by the normal definition, that does count as "belief." You've quite shown that you still count as a believer under the normal usage of the word, too.

That you reject non-beliefism, means that you still sillily believe in things, such as science, despite the fact that science holds true regardless of belief.

And you seem happily ignorant about the actual ways that science becomes worthless if one is unable to accept anything, even provisionally.

The remainder of your responses are highly nonsensical, and so I shan't bother to grant them attention beyond this sentence's scope.

Of course. You're unable to even answer simple questions about the assertions that you've made, therefore, you try to dismiss them as nonsense.

So, again, why do you believe that belief itself qualifies as a paradigm, rather than simply being the stuff that paradigms are made of, when all the actual information available points very firmly towards the latter and away from the former?

Also, I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said the things that you claimed that I said or retract your claim. Your failure to either show the evidence or retract your claims does little more than show off how dishonest you're being.


Observing standard definitions, that science has models that require re-constitution, does not suddenly render science to be a belief.

Of course it doesn't. No one was arguing that in the first place. Beat that straw man!

Science is not perfect, but it is mankind's best tool, and it is not compatible with belief, that lacks high concern for scientific evidence.

Your assertion that it is not compatible rests on blatant fallacy.

Non-beliefism simply recalls that belief opposes science.
Non-beliefism did not manufacture the above factum; that belief opposes science persists whether or not non-beliefism exists.

More correctly, the claim that belief opposes science fails whether or not non-beliefism exists.

I really wish he had used the word 'faith' and not 'belief'. There are rational beliefs and irrational beliefs. Faith is by its very definition an irrational belief.

He's rejected differentiating between the two, repeatedly. The really sad thing is that he treats his irrational philosophy like a religious person treats their faith, without any real attempt to locate or address the fallacies.
 
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You've still completely failed to show that it is scientifically observable that the very concept of belief opposes scientific methodology. Your presented argument is simply you repeating baseless assertion that wasn't accepted before because it was baseless and the logic employed fails even basic inspection. Given the logic you're pushing, you are still effectively arguing that liquid in general is in opposition to human bodies because most liquids are not helpful to the survival of a human body. Indeed, that you are special pleading is pretty much unavoidable because the logic you're trying to claim is obviously the case doesn't ever work.
Watch out, he doesn't handle analogies well. He'll take them completely literally and insist they're irrelevant.
 
Watch out, he doesn't handle analogies well. He'll take them completely literally and insist they're irrelevant.

He doesn't handle pretty much anything that's not agreeing with him well, which rather limits the options on how to get through to him.

Either way, I'm still wondering why he believes that belief itself qualifies as a paradigm, rather than simply being the stuff that paradigms are made of? He's asserted it, but utterly failed to back it up, "scientifically" or otherwise.
 
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You'll probably need to buy the book to find out


That’s funny. Glad to see you have a sense of humor, PGJ. Most people who’re obsessed with weird ideas lack a sense of humor. It’s good to know that you’re an exception to that norm.

Assuming, that is, that actually was humor? I hope you weren’t actually thinking that I (or anyone else) might be tempted, even one tiny little bit, to actually buy your book?

This is exactly analogous to Poe’s Law : there really is no way, as things stand, of knowing whether you’re seriously expecting people to buy that joke of a book of yours, or if you’re only pretending to as a joke.

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you’re joking. It’s a good joke, actually, given the context of this thread.

So let me ask, one last time :

Without falling back on put-downs and insults, and without using would-be clever ruses to side-step the issue, what would your answer be, PGJ, if XYZ were to tell you that they do not believe you are sane? Would you agree with their non-belief in your sanity?
 
You've still completely failed to show that it is scientifically observable that the very concept of belief opposes scientific methodology. Your presented argument is simply you repeating baseless assertion that wasn't accepted before because it was baseless and the logic employed fails even basic inspection. Given the logic you're pushing, you are still effectively arguing that liquid in general is in opposition to human bodies because most liquids are not helpful to the survival of a human body. Indeed, that you are special pleading is pretty much unavoidable because the logic you're trying to claim is obviously the case doesn't ever work.



You've got no relevant response, then? You've addressed nothing that I said there.



I do accept numerous things provisionally. Going by the normal definition, that does count as "belief." You've quite shown that you still count as a believer under the normal usage of the word, too.



And you seem happily ignorant about the actual ways that science becomes worthless if one is unable to accept anything, even provisionally.



Of course. You're unable to even answer simple questions about the assertions that you've made, therefore, you try to dismiss them as nonsense.

So, again, why do you believe that belief itself qualifies as a paradigm, rather than simply being the stuff that paradigms are made of, when all the actual information available points very firmly towards the latter and away from the former?

Also, I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said the things that you claimed that I said or retract your claim. Your failure to either show the evidence or retract your claims does little more than show off how dishonest you're being.




Of course it doesn't. No one was arguing that in the first place. Beat that straw man!



Your assertion that it is not compatible rests on blatant fallacy.



More correctly, the claim that belief opposes science fails whether or not non-beliefism exists.



He's rejected differentiating between the two, repeatedly. The really sad thing is that he treats his irrational philosophy like a religious person treats their faith, without any real attempt to locate or address the fallacies.


I tire of your silly anecdotes.

Simply, if one is to do science, one shall do so with high concern for evidence, and so, one shall avoid belief (which is not in the regime of high evidence concern)

As with theistic writing, your response above is straddled with contradiction.
 
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He doesn't handle pretty much anything that's not agreeing with him well, which rather limits the options on how to get through to him.

Either way, I'm still wondering why he believes that belief itself qualifies as a paradigm, rather than simply being the stuff that paradigms are made of? He's asserted it, but utterly failed to back it up, "scientifically" or otherwise.

The typical dictionary can quickly be used to purge you confusion, amidst the scenario above.

Thusly, your response is but inconsequential...
 
That’s funny. Glad to see you have a sense of humor, PGJ. Most people who’re obsessed with weird ideas lack a sense of humor. It’s good to know that you’re an exception to that norm.

Assuming, that is, that actually was humor? I hope you weren’t actually thinking that I (or anyone else) might be tempted, even one tiny little bit, to actually buy your book?

This is exactly analogous to Poe’s Law : there really is no way, as things stand, of knowing whether you’re seriously expecting people to buy that joke of a book of yours, or if you’re only pretending to as a joke.

I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume you’re joking. It’s a good joke, actually, given the context of this thread.

So let me ask, one last time :

Without falling back on put-downs and insults, and without using would-be clever ruses to side-step the issue, what would your answer be, PGJ, if XYZ were to tell you that they do not believe you are sane? Would you agree with their non-belief in your sanity?

A silly query.

Non beliefism encodes that one lacks belief in all things.

Why would I disregard one's non belief (in any a sequence) there after?
 
A silly query.

Non beliefism encodes that one lacks belief in all things.

Why would I disregard one's non belief (in any a sequence) there after?


In other (and clearer) words, you would agree with XYZ's disbelief in your sanity, then.

Actually, given your premise, there'd be no way you could not agree. Glad you see that, and glad your position on that is at least internally consistent.

If I meet XYZ I'll tell them you agree with their disbelief in your sanity, and I'll further let them know there's consistency and method in the madness.
 

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