Cont: The Trump Presidency, Part II

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Elagabalus said:
It appears I've lit the blue touch paper so here's another in the same vein:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...k-and-sniveling-trump-is-not-as-strong-as-his
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The first sentence from that link:
Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan says President Trump’s primary problem as a leader is not that he is “inexperienced, crude, an outsider” but that he is “weak and sniveling” and “undermines himself almost daily by ignoring” traditional norms of American masculinity.
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I disagree. His primary problem is exactly that he is “inexperienced, crude, an outsider” plus other bad traits. I don't think Trump would be the threat to democracy he is if being weak and sniveling were his main problems.
 
dudalb said:
I would bet that Trump is toying with the idea of dumping the GOP and starting some kind of a independent Trump party.
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Maybe. He's certainly (nothing is certain with that clown) likely to think that since all the problems he's having can be blamed at least partly on the GOP, it would be consistent with his ego to do that. If he does, it'll have the stout fans from Gooberville for maybe a year or two, then it will turn belly up... and be someone else's fault....again.
 
Well, Drumpf burped out another 4 Pinocchio lie when he stated that "border crossings [are] down 78 percent because of the Trump administration" in his speech to the cops. The WaPo is going to have to retire Pinocchio when this fiasco is over.
 
I'd been expecting him and his alt-right supporters to start primarying anyone who wasn't seen as loyal enough. Guess not, though. He's not generating the wave of Trumplings that I thought was coming.
 
SezMe said:
Well, Drumpf burped out another 4 Pinocchio lie when he stated that "border crossings [are] down 78 percent because of the Trump administration" in his speech to the cops. The WaPo is going to have to retire Pinocchio when this fiasco is over.
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The specific number is off but there has been a significant drop in illegal border crossings.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...legal-immigration-lowest-17-years-trump-said/
This is the kind of thing that keeps a lot of mainstream Republicans on his side. He gets wins on areas that the Republicans in Congress don't screw up for him.
 
Civet said:
I'd been expecting him and his alt-right supporters to start primarying anyone who wasn't seen as loyal enough. Guess not, though. He's not generating the wave of Trumplings that I thought was coming.
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It's a little too obvious that there's no future in jumping on that devil tail. Besides the problem of there being no down- or outward loyalty from the Oval Office, I can't imagine any congressional Republican candidates wanting the current occupant to come out and stump for them.
 
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Babbylonian said:
It's a little too obvious that there's no future in jumping on that devil tail. Besides the problem of there being no down- or outward loyalty from the Oval Office, I can't imagine any congressional Republican candidates wanting the current occupant to come out and stump for them.
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I think that's true. I've flirted a bit with running as a Trump-style Republican for a house seat or something. I can parrot the rhetoric pretty well and I'd make a pretty good living strawman for the Democratic candidate to beat up on. Could be fun.
 
Civet said:
This is the kind of thing that keeps a lot of mainstream Republicans on his side. He gets wins on areas that the Republicans in Congress don't screw up for him.
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Ignoring the very real possibility that the reason there's been a downturn in unwanted visitors to your house is because your house is now covered in feces.

But, hey, mission accomplished...
 
Civet said:
I think that's true. I've flirted a bit with running as a Trump-style Republican for a house seat or something. I can parrot the rhetoric pretty well and I'd make a pretty good living strawman for the Democratic candidate to beat up on. Could be fun.
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I've taken on some pretty objectionable viewpoints for the sake of debate (not here; no need), but I wouldn't want to play advocate for this particular devil. Well, maybe...I'd have to shower 3 or 4 times a day, so at least I'd be squeaky clean.
 
Civet said:
The specific number is off but there has been a significant drop in illegal border crossings.
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In tourism too, I understand. Hardly surprising. I was looking at a brochure for Alaskan cruises the other day, it's on my list of holidays I'd like to take, but there's no way I'm visiting America whilst Trump's in charge.
 
Stacko said:
All class.
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Trump on golf;

In 2015, Trump told FORTUNE, "I feel golf should be an aspirational game. People should come to golf, golf shouldn't come to them. [That attitude] may be elitist, and perhaps that's what golf needs. Let golf be elitist. When I say ‘aspire,' that's a positive word. Let people work hard and aspire to someday be able to play golf. To afford to play it."
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SezMe said:
McHrozni said:
In other words, it was a trap. Trump is hurt more by his proposals failing to get through the House and the Senate than by the proposals not being debated at all.
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A minor nit pick: Trump has not proposed a health care bill. In fact, he has not proposed ANY piece of legislation. Nor will he, IMO.

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quadraginta said:
It's almost as if he didn't realize that his bill only lost because it couldn't get 51 votes. (50, actually. since I suspect Pence was a pretty safe vote).
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Same comment.
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You're right. It's minor.

Very minor.

He likes to claim ownership of the bill when he's talking about keeping his campaign promises.

He gets ownership when it tanks, too.
 
quadraginta said:
Trump on golf;

In 2015, Trump told FORTUNE, "I feel golf should be an aspirational game. People should come to golf, golf shouldn't come to them. [That attitude] may be elitist, and perhaps that's what golf needs. Let golf be elitist. When I say ‘aspire,' that's a positive word. Let people work hard and aspire to someday be able to play golf. To afford to play it."
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Well colour me surprised, my attitude to golf is completely different to the President's. I had the good fortune to grow up in a town where membership of the local golf club was really cheap for under 18's (£7 a year in 1983) and although there were restrictions on when junior members could play (not allowed to tee up 0800-1000 and 1300-1500 at weekends unless accompanied by an adult member), we were generally encouraged to play.

We were also encouraged to play in accordance with the rules, as distinct from President Trump who, if the reports are to be believed is happy to improve his lie, take Mulligans whenever he wants, "finds" his golf ball in mysterious circumstances and generally behaves like someone who is shunned by every other member when pairing up for four-balls.

Personally I prefer the Scottish attitude to golf, the people's game where honesty is expected and cheating is socially unacceptable. Then again I'm a leftist shill :rolleyes:
 
More winning economic numbers from the Trump Presidency:

Major US car firms have reported a sharp fall in sales in sales in July, driven by lower rental fleet sales and weaker consumer demand.

Sales were down by 15% at General Motors, 10% at Fiat Chrysler and 7.5% at Ford compared with July 2016.

After several years of record growth, July looks set to become the fifth month in a row to see a fall in overall US car sales.

The fall comes amid weak in consumer income and spending growth in the US.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40794620

No doubt it's Obama/Hillary's fault ;)
 
Good news on the popular front, Trumps' popular support has taken a beating these past few weeks - among likely or registred voters.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

There is not much to be seen among all polls setting and polls of adults show a steady line, but likely and registred voters - the ones who will matter most come next November - have fallen by some three percentage points on average. The base is being eroded away, slowly but surely.

McHrozni
 
Here's a plan for WH senior staff: Trump is addicted adoration pomp and all that. Arrange for a parade Trump can attend every week! It will cause some travel expense, but the country will gladly pay for it if Trump quits doing politics.
 
Tero said:
Here's a plan for WH senior staff: Trump is addicted adoration pomp and all that. Arrange for a parade Trump can attend every week! It will cause some travel expense, but the country will gladly pay for it if Trump quits doing politics.
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It's already done. He goes golfing every weekend at his own course were the employee/sycophants shower him with praise.
 
TRUMP: I want to achieve growth. We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world, essentially, you know, of the size. But we’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. We have — nobody knows what the number is. I mean, it used to be, when we talked during the debate, $2.5 trillion, right, when the most elegant person — right? I call him Mr. Elegant. I mean, that was a great debate. We did such a great job. But at that time I was talking $2.5 trillion. I guess it’s $5 trillion now. Whatever it is, it’s a lot more. So we have anywhere from 4 [trillion] to 5 or even more trillions of dollars sitting offshore.

We want to get that back, No. One, at a very reasonable cost. And that cost is going to be 10 percent. And right now, it’s so high that, No. One: You would never do it on a business basis. But, No. Two: Bureaucratically it’s impossible. Did you know that? I have friends that try and get their money back. They say they have to go through years of writing out forms and this and that to bring money back into the country. We’re going to make that one — like a half-a-page document. It’s going to be very easy to bring your money back in. And it’s going to be taxed at 10 percent, which is a rate that’s — it’s within reason. And so that’s one of the things we want to do. That’ll be an easy one. That’s one that — you know, it’s — when you talk about a country that’s broken or a system that’s broken, there’s something — the $5 trillion, let’s call it — that the Democrats and the Republicans agree should come back in. It’s been out there for years. Nobody ever did anything about it. I mean, Obama ...

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WSJ: What do you think is a reasonable corporate rate? We’ve heard 20 percent, but —

TRUMP: Well, you know, we’re going for 15 [percent]. We’re going to see, and we’ll see. But, you know, I don’t want to say anything about negotiation. I mean, we are asking for 15 percent, and we think we’re going to grow tremendously.

So I deal with foreign countries, and despite what you may read, I have unbelievable relationships with all of the foreign leaders. They like me. I like them. You know, it’s amazing. So I’ll call, like, major — major countries, and I’ll be dealing with the prime minister or the president. And I’ll say, how are you doing? Oh, don’t know, don’t know, not well, Mr. President, not well. I said, well, what’s the problem? Oh, GDP 9 percent, not well. And I’m saying to myself, here we are at like 1 percent, dying, and they’re at 9 percent and they’re unhappy. So, you know, and these are like countries, you know, fairly large, like 300 million people. You know, a lot of people say — they say, well, but the United States is large. And then you call places like Malaysia, Indonesia, and you say, you know, how many people do you have? And it’s pretty amazing how many people they have. So China’s going to be at 7 [percent] or 8 percent, and they have a billion-five, right? So we should do really well.

But in order to do that — you know, it’s tax reform, but it’s a big tax cut. But it’s simplification, it’s reform, and it’s a big tax cut, 15 –
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/01/trump-wall-street-journal-interview-full-transcript-241214

Old age has turned Trump's brain into mush.
 
Arcade22 said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/01/trump-wall-street-journal-interview-full-transcript-241214

Old age has turned Trump's brain into mush.
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I was just coming here to post that first paragraph. I'll do it again

I want to achieve growth. We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world, essentially, you know, of the size. But we’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. We have — nobody knows what the number is. I mean, it used to be, when we talked during the debate, $2.5 trillion, right, when the most elegant person — right? I call him Mr. Elegant. I mean, that was a great debate. We did such a great job. But at that time I was talking $2.5 trillion. I guess it’s $5 trillion now. Whatever it is, it’s a lot more. So we have anywhere from 4 [trillion] to 5 or even more trillions of dollars sitting offshore.
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It's a combination of lie ("we're the highest taxed nation in the world") and blithering nonsense. What total blather.
 
Arcade22 said:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/01/trump-wall-street-journal-interview-full-transcript-241214
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...what?

So I deal with foreign countries, and despite what you may read, I have unbelievable relationships with all of the foreign leaders. They like me. I like them. You know, it’s amazing. So I’ll call, like, major — major countries, and I’ll be dealing with the prime minister or the president. And I’ll say, how are you doing? Oh, don’t know, don’t know, not well, Mr. President, not well.
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:boggled:
 
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pgwenthold said:
It's a combination of lie ("we're the highest taxed nation in the world") and blithering nonsense. What total blather.
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I've been thinking about this oft-quoted thing. Could it actually be true in that the tax take in the United States in pure dollar value is the highest in the world ?

The US is the world's biggest economy and so even if tax rates are mid-ranking internationally, 30% or a huge number is much bigger than 60% of a smaller number.

So whilst tax rates in the U.S. aren't particularly high, the taxes collected in the U.S. are higher than those in any other country and hence the U.S. is by that particular (and peculiar) measure the highest taxed nation in the world.
 
jimbob said:
He does seem like a weak bully who lacks moral fibre. Can dish it out but can't take it.
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That is something to be proud of though, hence why he hits back 10 times harder at any criticism. That is not something to be ashamed of in Trumpland.
 
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...k-and-sniveling-trump-is-not-as-strong-as-his

Peggy Noonan: ‘Weak and sniveling’ Trump is not as strong as his wife

Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan says President Trump’s primary problem as a leader is not that he is “inexperienced, crude, an outsider” but that he is “weak and sniveling” and “undermines himself almost daily by ignoring” traditional norms of American masculinity.

“He throws himself, sobbing, on the body politic,” Noonan wrote in her column Thursday.

“He’s a drama queen. It was once said, sarcastically, of George H.W. Bush that he reminded everyone of her first husband. Trump must remind people of their first wife. Actually his wife, Melania, is tougher than he is with her stoicism and grace, her self-discipline and desire to show the world respect by presenting herself with dignity.”

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Wow oh wow! It was not that long ago when the various stupid, idiotic, lying Republicans used to talk that way about President Obama.

But anyway, ...

While it has taken far, far, far too long for the Republicans to figure out what sort of person Trump actually is, at least a few of them are actually starting to recognize the obvious.
 
quadraginta said:
You're right. It's minor.

Very minor.

He likes to claim ownership of the bill when he's talking about keeping his campaign promises.

He gets ownership when it tanks, too.
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That is in clear violation of his business practices. The success is always because of Trump, the liability is always his investors. Here the republican party is the investors. Don't they know the first thing about business?
 
Tero said:
Here's a plan for WH senior staff: Trump is addicted adoration pomp and all that. Arrange for a parade Trump can attend every week! It will cause some travel expense, but the country will gladly pay for it if Trump quits doing politics.
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His campaign rallies have that covered already.
 
Crossbow said:
While it has taken far, far, far too long for the Republicans to figure out what sort of person Trump actually is, at least a few of them are actually starting to recognize the obvious.
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They always knew, they are just starting to care.
 
The Don said:
I've been thinking about this oft-quoted thing. Could it actually be true in that the tax take in the United States in pure dollar value is the highest in the world ?

The US is the world's biggest economy and so even if tax rates are mid-ranking internationally, 30% or a huge number is much bigger than 60% of a smaller number.

So whilst tax rates in the U.S. aren't particularly high, the taxes collected in the U.S. are higher than those in any other country and hence the U.S. is by that particular (and peculiar) measure the highest taxed nation in the world.
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Yeah, but if that's what they mean, then they're still being less than honest, since they know full well that their audience will understand the other meaning.
 
I want to achieve growth. We’re the highest-taxed nation in the world, essentially, you know, of the size. But we’re the highest-taxed nation in the world. We have — nobody knows what the number is. I mean, it used to be, when we talked during the debate, $2.5 trillion, right, when the most elegant person — right? I call him Mr. Elegant. I mean, that was a great debate. We did such a great job. But at that time I was talking $2.5 trillion. I guess it’s $5 trillion now. Whatever it is, it’s a lot more. So we have anywhere from 4 [trillion] to 5 or even more trillions of dollars sitting offshore.
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I feel so sorry for the those who are tasked with transcribing him. Whoever they are, the should campaign for a raise.
 
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