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Additionally, it's not as if they missed the bra clasp as they numbered and photographed it on Nov. 2. If it was important enough for that, why was it not important enough to collect at the same time?
Another piece of evidence of their sheer incompetence is their failure to even have someone attempt to scale the wall and enter through the window. I could see them making a logical assumption that it was not possible if the window had been a fourth, or even a third story, entrance, but a simple second story window...and with a grate giving a step up directly below it? The failure to collect samples from the outside bedroom door handle is mind boggling. When one takes into account that the door had been pulled shut from the outside by the killer, it's obvious to anyone with more than half a brain that he would likely leave fingerprints or DNA on it. I think you're being too generous comparing them to the Keystone Kops. |
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Look, most people in writing their memoirs do not spend half the book detailing their sexploits, yet Knox does. Porn is as old as time and its script is always the same. It is extremely boring. Yet still we have people popping up claiming to have invented sex. Perhaps Knox has a belief that her parents didn't also get up to the same old shenaningans as herself. Fact is, the murder of Meredith Kercher is a sex crime, and this is where her sexual malarky crosses the line into unacceptable conduct. |
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Let's see, half her memoir is about how she went to Italy looking for sex. Her words, no-one elses. Her fake claim that prison doctors forced her to list her partners. Her own Prison Diary proves her to be a liar. Her own alibi claiming she was having sex with Raff as of the time of the murder, when he claims he cannot remember one way or the other.
Her claims that she received about 50 letters from other (male) inmates which ordinary people would see as crude filth, she sees as confirmation that people think she's 'hot'. She tells reporters she even got a few dirty letters from 'men over 50' and these she did not like. We are forever hearing her phoney claim that she was forced to tell prison officers the names of all her lovers <sfx YAWN> Hello? Amanda: nobody cares. Everybody in the world is having sex. It is not all about you. |
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We know Raff's fingerprint is on the inside of the door to Mez' room, when he claimed he couldn't open her door at all. Go figure. |
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You just cannot help yourself.
The crime was Rudy's. Even the first judge, Massei, concluded that. That you can read Knox's book and sluttify it says all anyone needs to hear. That you can drag the exoneree's family into this is disgusting, and a tactic not even the prosecution used. Why you think you need to go beyond what the prosecution tried says everything. |
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Annie Le and DNA transfer
"After her [Annie Le's] body was found in her lab's crawl space, DNA found on her skin and underwear matched that of a convicted offender in the area. He had left DNA behind when he carried out construction work in the lab, Murphy writes, but he might still have gone to prison for the crime—if he hadn't died two years earlier."
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While some obsess about the sex-life of a random 20-year-old Seattleite, who is now an exoneree.....
Please note how in justifying that obsession they have to now argue against what even the first convicting court said. Yes, the court which first convicted AK and RS said this (in 2010) about the sexual nature of this horrible crime: In advancing their multi-year PR campaign against Knox, they have to ignore that the Italian courts themselves disbelieved the prosecution's hypothesis about this being a sex-game (gone wrong) which had involved either Knox or Sollecito - esp. as initiators. The courts, even with all their demerits, never thought of this as anything other than Rudy's sex-crime. What the haters have these days is a constant return to the original prosecution, and they fail to concede that none of the courts fell for the sexualized aspect of the crime which involved either AK or RS as initiators. The guilter-PR campaign these days has to forget Rudy Guede. It has to ignore what the courts said, as per above - even the courts which they lean on as finding as factual their guilt. When the 2013 Supreme Court overturned the 2011 acquittals, it did it partly saying that the "sex-game gone wrong" theory had not been fully examined. Then the court which received this referral, the 2013-14 Nencini court itself ignored anything to do with sex-games, substituting the "rent money" motive. Despite this the continued effort these days is to continually sexualize this around Amanda Knox, like the original prosecution tried - and failed to convince ANYONE, except the few remaining haters. None of them have moved much past the lurid tabloids of 2008. |
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Even though Mignini/Comodi won the 2009 trial, which resulted in the conviction of RS and AK, it is illustrative to read their appeal document in setting up their case for the (then) upcoming 2011 Appeals Trial in the Hellmann court.
See: http://www.amandaknoxcase.com/wp-con...al-English.pdf Even though it is an awkward machine translation, it is clear that Mignini/Comodi were rocked by how much the Massei court had disbelieved about the case they'd made. And remember, they'd won! Read the appeal doc they prepared. It is clear that they found it troubling that Massei had found (as per above) that this had been Rudy's crime, which neither RS nor AK had urged him to commit. It is clear that Mignini/Comodi went into the Hellman trial knowing that major elements of their bizarre theories were disbelieved...... ...... by even the first convicting court. Yet almost a decade later, some continue an on-line PR campaign in defence of Mignini - even against what their own courts found. |
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A question for anyone -- I have not read Amanda's book. Is it true that half her memoir is about going to Italy looking for sex? Or is it possible Amanda said something like that in one or two sentences and Vixen's perverted mind distorted reality such that it became "half her memoir"? Just curious. Vixen seems a little obsessed with this type of thing so I'm wondering if her statement is even remotely accurate.
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It depends on your point of view.
1000s of young women from the States and Canada have taken time in their late teens and early twenties to explore Europe, settle here and there for a while and/or study for a year to learn a language and experience another culture. And........................... heaven forbid and shield your eyes .............. sow a few wild oats! So, if your point of view is that that phenomenon rates calling these women nymphomaniacs, and suggesting that such ventures result in sex-games gone wrong and murder and mayhem, then I guess you'll have the views Vixen represents. The truth is that there's nothing that Knox writes in her book that is even remotely out of the ordinary - until Rudy Guede breaks in and murders her roommate - such murder because of his own sick urges, which even the first Massei trial said was the motive for the crime. Massei said specifically that he, "cannot see, in fact, the motive for such an invitation on the part of Amanda Knox", meaning that Amanda had somehow invited Rudy to attack Meredith. Let that sink in for a minute as to the effect that statement must have had on Mignini's lurid theories - or the lurid posts made in 2017 by anyone who believes that young women going to Europe to sow some oats is somehow abnormal. I mean it. Think about it. Massei thought that Guede had initiated this crime all on his own. Even with all the "Lucerfina" stuff spouted at his trial about Knox, "clean on the outside but dirty on the inside" stuff, Massei didn't buy it. Once again, read Mignini's appeal of the Massei decision! That's right. While it is not abnormal for the prosecution to submit an appeal document (why wouldn't they?), read the one he actually submitted! Then - read Crini's prosecution summary at the end of the Nencini trial. All, and I mean nearly all, of Mignini's original sick-fantasies were gone. Crini had argued in 2013 that it did not matter how specious or speculative any one piece of evidence was; once you took them in aggregate they had to amount to something! 0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0=guilty. But track what the various prosecutions had claimed about this crime - and compare with the overly sexualized stuff that Mignini and Vixen were (and are) on about. |
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Please supply this alleged testimony. I believe Stefanoni claimed there was no contamination.
There is ALWAYS risk of contamination in a lab. The facts are that, in order to properly and safely process LCN DNA, it must be done in a lab with special protections:
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Why does Vixen do this? Does she think we cannot click on the links she herself provides? Why does she post pics of windows at the cottage saying, "Here's a pic with no bars on the window", when the pic itself shows that there are?
Why does Vixen say that Vecchiotti said, "Vecchiotti confirmed under oath that there was no contamination risk in Stefanoni's lab," when Vecchiotti said no such thing? Why does Vixen say that Dr. Gill said that secondary transfer not happen after 24 hours when he said no such thing? Why does Vixen claim that Prof Novelli confirmed Stefanoni's forensic work, when what Novelli's told the court was that Stefanoni had not followed international protocols on multiple amplifications? These are not even subtle mistruths. Imagine someone wandering onto this thread with no knowledge of this case whatsoever - why does Vixen think that posting demonstrable lies will convince them of Vixen's own views? As Welshman repeats - if the case against RS and AK had been such a slam dunk, why resort to lies? Why? |
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[quote=NotEvenWrong;11942579]A question for anyone -- I have not read Amanda's book. Is it true that half her memoir is about going to Italy looking for sex? Or is it possible Amanda said something like that in one or two sentences and Vixen's perverted mind distorted reality such that it became "half her memoir"? Just curious. Vixen seems a little obsessed with this type of thing so I'm wondering if her statement is even remotely accurate
[quote] I have her book and, no, what Vixen claims is not true. This is what Amanda wrote on pg. 21: Amanda was experiencing what is completely normal. She was coming into and exploring her sexuality at the age most girls do. I wonder if Vixen considers Meredith a nymphomaniac as she was sexually active, too. She was no virgin and was having casual sex with the boy downstairs. I agree with you; so many PGP seem unusually obsessed with Amanda's sex life and feel the need to make it somehow dirty and perverted. As has been pointed out before, the psychological aspects of this case would make a very interesting study. |
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Bill, the question was;
"Is it true that half her memoir is about going to Italy looking for sex?" and not whether Amanda is a nymphomaniac. Sex is rarely mentioned in her book but given how she had been portrayed in the media it's not surprising she gives each of her three sexual encounters in Italy a brief mention. If I tallied up every mention of sex in the book my guess is it would be less than .01% of the book. Then again, Vixen's penchant for making things up is legendary so it's not at all surprising she made this claim. Regarding whether she's a nymphomaniac or not, it's ironic that in the book she does recount spending an evening with a guy by the name of Mirko and how she felt uncomfortable about it afterwards. A few days later she agrees to go back to Mirko's place but winds up leaving when Mirko tries to have sex with her. She later tells Meredith about it and Meredith says to her "maybe uninvolved sex just isn't for you". Doesn't sound like a nymphomaniac to me. |
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This is an unbelievably foolish statement. Of course there was and is in every lab doing PCR a contamination risk. That is exactly why precautions have be taken and adhered to, to prevent contamination. That you can post this demonstrates you have no understanding of the issues.
This is particularly foolish in that the records available demonstrate a contamination event in that we have negative controls with detectable human DNA. So not only can DNA contamination occur we know it did occur. |
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The trouble with trying to keep up with the sexualized posts of some people here is that the posts eventually become "normative" and they slip a few through.
Of course it is false that, "half her memoir is about going to Italy looking for sex". It is not only false but demonstrably false. What more can anyone say? Vixen contunes to try to construct the sexualized "Foxy Knoxy", femme fatale, whore/madonna dichotmy that Mignini and the other lawyers tried to construct at the 2009 trial. What is of note is that even Judge Massei rejected it, even as he convicted them. Galati (in his appeal document to Cassation in 2012) makes little mention of anything sexualized, and by the time it gets into the hands of Prosecutor Crini in Florence for the 2013 trial, that sexualized stuff is gone. Note - it is gone even as Cassation in 2013 requested that the "sex-game gone wrong" theory be relooked into. Cassation in 2013 seemed to have thought that not only had the Hellmann court rejected Mignini's hypotheses too soon, but that the original Massei court had as well!! (Cassation in 2013 was trying to vindicate Mignini, not Massei. Judge Massei was/is always a problem for those wanting to sexualize this thing around Knox.) Repeat, that the original Massei court had rejected Knox's involvement in Rudy's sexual advances as well - even in convicting the pair. By the time Crini gets ahold of the case - the conflict which escalated into murder was pooh in the toilet. By the time Nencini reconvicted the pair, the dispute was over rent-money, and sex was nowhere to be seen; except for Nencini taking Rudy at his word that the sex he'd had with the victim was "consensual." That was the only sex in the Nencini scenario. So why is Vixen, almost ten years later, even risking, "half her memoir is about going to Italy looking for sex...." when anybody who has read the thing would dismiss the comment as false immediately? That you and me even engage this inanity/falsehood 2 1/2 years following the eventual exonerations probably says more about us than it does about Vixen! |
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I don't think you've even read her memoir from the false statements you made about what's in it. She never said prison doctors forced her to list her partners. This is what she testified:
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The statement that he couldn't remember if they'd had sex that night was taken during his Nov 6 interrogation when he confused Halloween night with Nov. 1. Since then, Raffaele does remember having sex with her that night. Why do you insist on twisting things to fit your own view?. This is what she actually wrote:
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She never claimed she was "forced" as I proved with her testimony above. Apparently you care if we go by the amount of times you refer to her sex life. Why is that? |
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In all fairness to Vixen (did I really say that?...) if you look at the diagram, for some reason Fr. 72 is used both for two "unattributable" prints on the inside of the door as well as one of two prints attributed to Raffaele on the outside (the other being Fr. 68). Of course, the diagram is color coded and nowhere on the diagram does it say "Fr. 72 is Raffaele", so clearly Vixen wasn't paying close attention to details, but still there is something screwed up with the diagram.
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This is TMofMK; they have lots of things wrong.
I find it impossible to believe that Vixen would think that Sollecito's fingerprints were on the inside of the door when that would have placed him inside that bedroom. That would have been strong evidence against him yet such fingerprints are never mentioned in any of the trials. We know that. She knows that. |
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[quote=Stacyhs;11942745][quote=NotEvenWrong;11942579]A question for anyone -- I have not read Amanda's book. Is it true that half her memoir is about going to Italy looking for sex? Or is it possible Amanda said something like that in one or two sentences and Vixen's perverted mind distorted reality such that it became "half her memoir"? Just curious. Vixen seems a little obsessed with this type of thing so I'm wondering if her statement is even remotely accurate
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Vecchiotti's was responding to a couched question from Mignini. If you read her full response she adds the caveat that the necessary data exists to confirm the theoretical scenario, and that this data was not provided (i.e., the dates when all tests were performed). Further, the scenario would only be addressing select lab equipment, but does nothing for all other sources of possible contamination, not least of which would be contamination from the collection, storage or handling of evidence, lab consumables, and lab equipment NOT used during those supposed six days where Meredith's DNA was not tested.
As has been pointed out to you on several occasions, DNA was detected in negative samples which is definitive evidence that contamination existed in Stefanoni's lab. Further, there is a full suite of internationally recognized procedures and protocols that should be followed to minimize (NOT eliminate, which is not possible) the risk of contamination and NONE of them were followed by Stefanoni. One of the key ones is that LCN profiling should never be done in the same lab that has handled large DNA samples from the case. At the time 36B was tested there had been over 50 samples of Meredith's DNA tested. Vecchiotti specifically points this out in her testimony. It is interesting, however, to note that you eschew everything Conti and Vecchiotti had to say about the case except this one response to a mostly bogus question. That, by definition, is cherry picking. |
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Then quit bringing it up!
..... and if you want the word "exoneree" to apply to yourself, quit lying about the evidence and quit posting links which say the opposite of what you claim. You could start with citing one, just one forensic-DNA expert who agrees with Stefanoni's work. |
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If Knox said so herself, then please provide the quote of her doing so. I won't hold my breath.
Have you ever asked yourself just why you feel compelled to make these kinds of remarks? They are very revealing...and not about Amanda or Raffaele. |
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Do read the fingerprint experts testimony and have a look at the dabs. There were five fingerprints of Raff retrieved: Fr 68, Fr 72 (two) - MK's inner door edge to her room, Fr 86 Kitchen/Living room (fridge) Fr 12 in Laura's room. Forensic fingerprint expert Giunta testifies,
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Speaking of chronic knee jerks, perhaps you should take another look at it. Doors open inward, no outward.
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You do realise this means an internal door? As opposed to the main door? The finger prints on the 'inner' door were on the corridor not the bedroom surface. They are colour coded and finger prints of an unknown person were found on the bedroom side of the door.
Of course you may ask how much effort did the police put into tracking down whose fingerprints were in the murder room? I mean it was a judicial fact that more than one person was involved in the murder, we have fingerprints of an unknown person in the room, we have DNA of an unknown male on the bra hook. But why bother going to the effort of identifying this person? When one can just fit up someone else. |
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