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5th August 2017, 02:10 PM | #3001 |
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It's good to see that the holohoax community has a sense of humor, calling HC Polish guest blogger (on a Muehlenkamp blog no less) Joachim Neander, PhD, independent scholar, a member of the holohoax establishment.
Irene Zizblatt, holohoax witness promoted by the entire holohoax establishment Here is the reality, the absurd lies of Irene Zizblatt carry the full authority of Steven Spielberg, the Academy Awards, the rabbis and holohoax scholars that vetted the movie and that were listed in the credits, plus every Jew, rabbi, academic, and government official in the US, none of which exposed the obvious blatant preposterous and degenerate lies of Zizblatt. If I'm wrong name the member of USHMM, Yad Vashem, a US university, the US govt, and rabbi in the US, that has denounced the absurdities of Speilberg's movie. The holohoax is not what didn't happen in WW II, the holohoax is the lies that are being told now, by every Jew in the US and the world and every member of every news and academic organization and government in the US, either actively by repeating the lies or passively by not exposing them. It is real. Here is the proof. The Last Days of the Big Lie |
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5th August 2017, 02:24 PM | #3002 |
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There is more ...
Zizblatt's lies are prima facie preposterous and degenerate. Spielberg had 50,000 testimonies to choose from. Why did he choose Zizblatt? I of course have a theory. |
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5th August 2017, 02:46 PM | #3005 |
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Who cares about Spielberg's choices, as you describe them, or your game of hide and seek? We're waiting for your replies to so many questions, yet you want to review Zisblatt, whose life story I've never seen cited in a single study of the period - except to, as Neander did, critique it.
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5th August 2017, 03:55 PM | #3008 |
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The topic, i.e. this topic, is not evidence for the holocaust, for which there is no evidence as it did not happen.
This topic is evidence for the holohoax, that is, the massive systematic campaign of lies about the holocaust, for which there is unlimited evidence, and Spielberg's movie is a prime example. HTH If you would like to introduce a separate topic - evidence for the holocaust, please feel free to do so. It will be a real challenge for you. |
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Except we keep posting evidence for it, you keep trying to change the subject, as you are now doing again. This flailing about with your anti-Semitic wand doesn't erase the evidence we've presented and know about.
We at least agree that the topic "evidence for the Holocaust" is a bad one for you, which is why you avoid discussion of it. Let's try Babi Yar. Here's a list of pieces of evidence for the mass murder there, borrowed from Nick Terry, who compiled this list in 2012 and noted at the time that there are over 60 contemporary sources on the Babi Yar massacre, excluding hearsay reports compiled by the Abwehr and Polish underground (we can do Ponary, Warsaw, and Chełmno after you've tried waving your wand at the Babi Yar sources):
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Which you've been asked for, as recently as this post, and refused to answer: we have begged you for evidence of this hoax you keep whining about but never demonstrating or supporting with evidence. Sorry, this is the forum's thread for Holocaust-related discussion. If you're afraid to tackle the hard questions, that's your problem, but you don't decide what we discuss in this thread, you do decide what you're unable to discuss and so must avoid, which is, er, evidence for the mass murder of Jews during WWII. Introducing evidence for the Holocaust is so easy that it's been done repeatedly in this thread, and I just did it above. Let's hear your assessment of the sources for the mass murder at Babi Yar. |
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Just as you refused to answer Nessie about the Netherlands, you now ignore a question, asked by Eric Hunt, whom you cite almost obsessively, about Warsaw.
The biggest question you've raised with your various tangents, distractions, and dodges is not about the Holocaust but what you're afraid of. |
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5th August 2017, 04:35 PM | #3011 |
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I'm not looking for a list of twenty links, I'm looking for you to discuss evidence for the holocaust yourself, providing links as appropriate. Now, it just so happens that Babi Yar is one of my favorite topics, as it is covered here ...
holohoax101.org So, I'd be happy for you to present the evidence for it. Not a list of links, your discussion of the evidence, and then I'll respond. Sabe'? What I'm afraid of? I'm afraid the insane aggression of the US/Israeli military will initiate WW III. |
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Is there no human evil that doesn't have its roots in the diaspora?
What is immensely amusing to me is that there doesn't seem to be a single holocaust denier who sticks to the denial of the evidence. To a man, every one of them eventually, but usually sonner rather than later, veers off into accusing the Jews of weaving an elaborate and international lie that no one save for the few who comprise their own numbers have unraveled, and most, but not all, openly admit that though the holocaust didn't happen, it was entirely deserved. That reminds me of so many political debates where we are told in the same breath that the event under discussion didn't occur, but that even if it did occur, it's not illegal, or that it is entirely understandable, or justified, or whatever other excuse is trotted out. It's a very clear indication that the person knows that the event both occured and is wrong, but is lacks confidence in either excuse, instead opting to combine them, and thus revealing their true thoughts on the subject. In other words, saggy, I think you know for a fact that the holocaust both happened and is one of the greatest evils of recent history, but that you are too cowardly to clearly admit that you fully agree with it and its criminal perpetrators. |
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Saggy, here's another look at evidence for the Holocaust, a broad list of recent publications with the number of citations in each:
As you should recall, revisionist EtienneSC told us he'd read just 3 of the listed titles, which on its face disqualifies him as a "revisionist" of this scholarship. How many have you read - and, relevant to this particular discussion, what can you tell us about the roughly 450,000 citations?
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20 links?!?! Say what? I cited, borrowing from Nick Terry, the important evidence for Babi Yar, which you claim doesn't exist.
Sorry, there's a lot of it - and ignoring all of it, 20 links of it, or whatever doesn't make it magically disappear. Sorry, no. You've shown yourself incapable of replying to questions, evidence, explanations all along - why should I expect anything different from you now? I asked you to respond to the evidence for Babi Yar. Apparently you can't. Fine with me. Because of evidence for Babi Yar, or Warsaw, or whatever? Bizarre. You just claimed there's no evidence for the Holocaust. I listed a large number of sources for a major slaughter of Jews by the Germans. I asked you to tell us your views about the items. You won't. Because you don't have any - you don't know the sources. You're faring really, really badly here. |
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Oh, that's another thing that I love about people like this. We have more than one poster on this forum who tries to make an argument via repetitious use of pictures like this. One could almost qualify those posts of propaganda. It would seem that you think repeating a lie often enough gives it power and makes it more real.
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Ok, breaking out the hand puppets.........
Muehlenkamp is not mentioned in that link anywhere. You clearly did not even bother to read it. Additionally inmates of Chelmno were killed with carbon monoxide, not cyanide. You are clearly unable to comprehend the most basic facts of the subject that you are discussing. <SNIP> Have I made myself clear?
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LOL. I described it before as being like Gulliver and ...... and got a warning, so I won't repeat that.
To me it feels like beating on a drum. This idea of providing twenty links with no discussion as a response, and then defending it !, is truly pathetic. In what, 10 years, I've never once seen it before ! |
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If Saggy is feeling particularly timid this evening I will enlighten him on a mass grave.
"Grave # 10" identified by Andreasz Kola at Belzec, was shown to be 18X24 meters in width and over 5.25 meters in depth. Kola stated that the bottom of the grave contained "human remains in a state of wax-fat transformation". Also found was white sand mixed with rich lime and a substantial amount of cremains. |
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Of course in the first place I didn't post twenty links - I posted a list of sources which you claim don't exist. Deal with it and stop crying.
In the second place I am happy to discuss Babi Yar - after you explain how come there is so much evidence when you claim none exists. You made a claim, defend it. And, last, this act doesn't work partly because it comes from a person who dodges question after question and who is a serial poster of random links - Holohoax 101, Zisblatt, Eric Hunt, etc. |
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I knew that when this pic was posted earlier in the thread it would come in useful, this is the picture of an excavated body from 40,000 years ago ...
As we see, the skeleton is intact. The mass grave you have described is less than 100 years old. How many intact skeletons were in the grave you've described? Where are the pics of the bodies in 'wax-fat transformation'? How many were there? That's for starters. We can continue tomorrow. |
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You've got to be kidding. I can't analyze evidence you have not described. I did google the first item on your list ....
1. Ereignismeldung UdSSR 97, 28.9.41 - planning of action It came up with two hits, both in lists by Terry. There is no sense trying to refute something that cannot even be googled. So, it is on you present the evidence, described in your own words, with links as appropriate. |
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The report did not enumerate the number of intact skeletons. However, as the bodies had been subjected to intense burning (note the presence of ashes of human origin, which corroborates with descriptions of the cremation of corpses at Belzec from local residents at the time one cannot logically make a comparison between the grave identified by Kola and the stupid little skeleton that you keep waving around like a dumb fat fruitcake.
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So you confirm by using that image that people have been cremating bodies for long before WWII....lol
Define intact - that is not considered an 'intact' skeleton it is fragmented in situ. I guess we can add forensic physical anthropology to the long list of subjects you don't know 'binz' about. |
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I'm not.
So I take it that you deny that the Babi Yar massacre took place. Yet you haven't read the sources for it. Interesting method you use. Is there a Stundie judge in the house? LOL "There is no sense trying to refute something that cannot even be googled." Sorry, Saggy, there is a lot, and I mean a lot, of evidence about history, not just the Holocaust, in documents in archives which cannot be googled. Or in books, articles, and papers that aren't online. Those are the things historians study to learn about the past. You should find out about these things. They have really interesting content. But your immense incompetence is really getting in our way here: if you want to complain about Google not turning up hits, you need to first learn how to use the search function. Look what I found, 'cuz, yeah, some of this is online: EM 97:
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And so on. Mind-blowing. Now you demand to be spoonfed . . . Get off your high horse and participate. E.g., LeoMajor and I have linked you to the same summary of archaeological investigations at Chełmno, but you refuse to read it (or this parallel material, which I posted). If you had any interest at all in the topic, you'd be happy we posted links to the archaeological work and you'd want to read the summary of the work by those close to it. But you'd rather blether on and on about what you will and won't read. Amazing. |
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"There is no sense trying to refute something that cannot even be googled."
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Saggy: "I can't analyze evidence you have not described."
We've described evidence - and you've fled, dodged, changed the subject. We've linked to evidence - and you've whined about links. We've given you references to where to find evidence - and you've whined that there's too much. So I shall now re-write your sentence as I am hearing you: "I can't analyze evidence." Sorry, that is basically what you're telling us. |
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So I'm clear...
Reynhard Heydrich is sent to Czechoslovakia, and in the first week he has 92 locals executed, and another 4,000+ rounded up by the Gestapo to be sent to Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp. Only 4% of these people survived. After Heydrich was righteously killed, the Gestapo wandered into the village of Lidice and shot all of the men over 15 years of age, and rounded up the woman and children and sent them to Chełmno extermination camp where they were gassed. A handful of children deemed racially acceptable were sent to live with S.S. families in the Fatherland (17 would return to Lidice after the war). My question is this: If the Nazis were so casual about the mass murder of the Czechs (people they weren't even mad at), then what makes anyone thing they'd ever give the Jews under their control a pass on the violence? The answer is: They didn't. |
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Originally Posted by Saggy
Originally Posted by SS-Hauptsturmführer Franz Stangl
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Also, one refutes an argument. One examines evidence to learn and then uses as much as evidence as can be found to build and support an argument. Saggy OTOH is all worked up to refute the evidence itself - that is, evidence he's never seen but senses to be big trouble for him.
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