Cont: The Trump Presidency, Part II

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pgwenthold said:
In fact, that is not off the mark. It's now being reported by the wsj that the council agreed to disband this morning on their own before he released them.

So very much, "You can't quit, you're fired"
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Bet Trump calls "Fake News" on that. He might even decide he's been wanting to wind these elitist talking-shops up for weeks, if not months.
 
The New York Post has turned on Trump the past few days. Adds fuel to the rumor that Rupert is getting fed up with this stupidity.
 
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ponderingturtle said:
He plays well with the nazi base, we just have underestimated how large that is in the republican party.
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The Republican Party - the GOP - has responded pretty well, so I doubt the neo-nazis are a large part of their base - or at least that's their perception. Trump's perception is that they're a large part of the Trump Movement's base, which is something else entirely.

Trump's perceptions are, of course, entirely shaped by his immediate and very limited circle. Which, going by his body-language on that infamous day, his Chief-of-Staff is not part of.
 
dudalb said:
The New York Post has turned on Trump the past few days. Adds fuel to the fire that Rupert is getting fed up with this stupidity.
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It has to be frustrating. I'd expect a guy who spent years as a successful entertainer to be able to handle the "show up and say the right stuff at public events" part of the job. If I was one of his blue chip supporters I'd want him burning political capital on tax cuts and deregulation not this nonsense.
 
And the ripples from Trump's inability call a Nazi a Nazi go on:

Business councils disband over Trump remarks

So now that US business has turned on him can we expect tirades against 'failing' Boeing, Campbell's soup et al?

This past week shows once again that the idea that anyone can rein in Trump is a fantasy and from the look on his face when Trump was speaking on Tuesday I think General Kelly has realised that, how long before he decides to retain what's left of his dignity and head for the door.
 
Garrison said:
And the ripples from Trump's inability call a Nazi a Nazi go on:

Business councils disband over Trump remarks

So now that US business has turned on him can we expect tirades against 'failing' Boeing, Campbell's soup et al?

This past week shows once again that the idea that anyone can rein in Trump is a fantasy and from the look on his face when Trump was speaking on Tuesday I think General Kelly has realised that, how long before he decides to retain what's left of his dignity and head for the door.
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A little late with the disbanding story....links posted and discussed a couple of pages ago.

Looking at General Kelly, you could tell he really wanted to take Trump aside, and give him a Parris Island Boot Camp style chewing out....
 
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dudalb said:
A little late with the disbanding story....discussed a couple of pages ago.
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Yeah, forgot that with the sheer volume of insanity emanating from the White House these things get buried fast. :o

Looking at General Kelly, you could tell he really wanted to take Trump aside, and give him a Parris Island Boot Camp style chewing out....
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That might work with a grown adult, but Trump would take it like a 5 year old, stamping his feet and insisting it was everyone else's fault.
 
Garrison said:
Yeah, forgot that with the sheer volume of insanity emanating from the White House these things get buried fast. :o



That might work with a grown adult, but Trump would take it like a 5 year old, stamping his feet and insisting it was everyone else's fault.
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THat is what Trump would LIKE to do, but a Marine Corps DI or Officer in full Ass CHewig mode is pretty intimidating. See Full Metal Jacket for details.
 
Trump also spent more time attacking Amazon and Jeff Bezos today then he spent time attacking the Nazis.
 
dudalb said:
A variation on "YOU CAN"T FIRE ME, I QUIT!'

So many CEO's were quitting that Trump decided to disband it to make it look like he was still in charge.
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Actually, the news is reporting the group disbanded itself, told Trump who then Tweeted he disbanded the group.
 
3point14 said:
How on earth did this man function before he was president?
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Lots of illegal deals apparently from fraud and deceit, leaving others holding the debt, selling EB1 visas to rich investors, to a whole lot of money laundering, apparently.
 
The Don said:
Yes, Obama was President and with a decent majority but there were still 45%+ who voted GOP

The racists didn't go away, they just didn't bother to vote for Romney or McCain but they were happily voting the GOP ticket at a state level.
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No one said the racists weren't there or weren't a problem. You said there were enough of them Democrats would never win Congress or the POTUS position back. Do I need to go back and hunt that post down?
 
You know your doddering uncle whose racist facebook posts you always skip? That's the president's inner circle.

President Trump’s personal lawyer on Wednesday forwarded an email to conservative journalists, government officials and friends that echoed secessionist Civil War propaganda and declared that the group Black Lives Matter “has been totally infiltrated by terrorist groups.”

The email forwarded by John Dowd, who is leading the president’s legal team, painted the Confederate general Robert E. Lee in glowing terms and equated the South’s rebellion to that of the American Revolution against England. Its subject line — “The Information that Validates President Trump on Charlottesville” — was a reference to comments Mr. Trump made earlier this week in the aftermath of protests in the Virginia college town.

“You cannot be against General Lee and be for General Washington,” the email reads, “there literally is no difference between the two men.”
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Garrison said:
And the ripples from Trump's inability call a Nazi a Nazi go on:

Business councils disband over Trump remarks

So now that US business has turned on him can we expect tirades against 'failing' Boeing, Campbell's soup et al?

This past week shows once again that the idea that anyone can rein in Trump is a fantasy and from the look on his face when Trump was speaking on Tuesday I think General Kelly has realised that, how long before he decides to retain what's left of his dignity and head for the door.
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Disbanded!? The Great Trump has abolished the Business councils!!!
 
But in this White House, Trump’s anger isn’t just a side detail for stories about the various warring ideological factions, or who’s up and down in the West Wing. Instead, that anger and its rallying cry helped to fuel his rise to the White House, and now Trump uses it as a way to govern, present himself to the American public and even create policy.

In one stark example, the president’s dislike of being told what to do played a role in his decision to abruptly ban all transgender people from the military: a move opposed by his own defense secretary, James Mattis, and the head of the Coast Guard, who vowed not to honor the president’s decree.

The president had grown tired of White House lawyers telling him what he could and could not do on the ban and numerous other issues such as labor regulations, said one informal White House adviser. While multiple factors were in play with the transgender ban, Trump has grown increasingly frustrated by the lawyers’ calls for further study and caution, so he took it upon himself to tweet out the news of the ban, partly as a reminder to the lawyers who’s in charge, the adviser said.

“For Trump, there came a moment where he wanted to re-establish that he was going to do what he was going to do,” said the adviser, who knows both the president and members of the staff. “He let his lawyers know that it’s his job to make decisions and their job to figure out how to implement it.”
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/16/trump-charlottesville-temper-chaos-241721

Strong leaderchimp!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No one said the racists weren't there or weren't a problem. You said there were enough of them Democrats would never win Congress or the POTUS position back. Do I need to go back and hunt that post down?
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Yes you do......because I don't think it's something I've said.

In other threads I'm pretty sure that I've said that the Democratic Party needs to offer something more than "not Trump" to get control of House and Senate back in 2018 and that GOP gerrymandering and voter suppression has made that even harder and that if that is the case then there is a risk that large swathes of the left may become completely disenchanted with the political process and disenfranchise themselves.

I've also said in this, and other threads that if Trump decides to run in 2020 that the combination of inertia (people tend to vote for the incumbent), voter suppression and liberals' disenchantment may result in him winning (the electoral college).

I've also repeatedly said that Trump is a symptom of the US' widespread racism and white supremacism (or at least the GOP's broad tolerance of same) rather than being some kind of electoral aberration.

I don't think I have ever said that there are so many racists that the Democratic Party will never get control back of the House, Senate or win the Presidency.
 
Stacko said:
You know your doddering uncle whose racist facebook posts you always skip? That's the president's inner circle.
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The crucial difference was that George Washington was a successful secessionist, whilst Robert E Lee was not. This is why there is a ****-ton of monuments to the former in the US and very few in the UK. :rolleyes:

I see that the President and his circle trying to change the narrative that the statues are being removed because they were slave owners and not because they were traitors. :rolleyes:
 
The Don said:
Yes you do......because I don't think it's something I've said.....

I've also said in this, and other threads that if Trump decides to run in 2020 that the combination of inertia (people tend to vote for the incumbent), voter suppression and liberals' disenchantment may result in him winning (the electoral college).

I've also repeatedly said that Trump is a symptom of the US' widespread racism and white supremacism (or at least the GOP's broad tolerance of same) rather than being some kind of electoral aberration.

I don't think I have ever said that there are so many racists that the Democratic Party will never get control back of the House, Senate or win the Presidency.
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Tony Stark said:
Trump seems to genuinely not understand that he is making himself look bad to everyone who isn't a *********** racist scumbag.

In some ways that's scarier that the racism. America has had racist presidents before. But one so stupid? He must be, by far, the dumbest person to ever be president.
The problem is that there are enough "racist scumbags" to ensure that GOP candidates continue to be elected. IMO Trump isn't the problem so much as a symptom of that problem.
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The problem is that there are enough "racist scumbags" to ensure that GOP candidates continue to be elected. IMO Trump isn't the problem so much as a symptom of that problem.
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Perhaps I interpreted "there are enough "racist scumbags" to ensure" to mean maintaining the majority control. I replied that I was "just not that cynical."

I do think we are well past the point Trump could possibly win in 2020, Electoral College or not.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
It started here:Perhaps I interpreted "there are enough "racist scumbags" to ensure" to mean maintaining the majority control. I replied that I was "just not that cynical."

I do think we are well past the point Trump could possibly win in 2020, Electoral College or not.
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2020 is a long way off. Keep mind that 2/3rds of white males voted for Trump and 52 percent of white women voted for Trump. Steve Bannon said yesterday that he hoped Democrats would be talking about race in 2020 as that would guarantee a Trump reelection.
 
acbytesla said:
2020 is a long way off. Keep mind that 2/3rds of white males voted for Trump and 52 percent of white women voted for Trump. Steve Bannon said yesterday that he hoped Democrats would be talking about race in 2020 as that would guarantee a Trump reelection.
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Bottom line re 2020, Trump is getting none of his promises done.

Separate note: MSNBC pundits speculate Bannon won't be fired because he can do too much damage upon returning to Breitbart. I thought that was interesting.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It started here:Perhaps I interpreted "there are enough "racist scumbags" to ensure" to mean maintaining the majority control. I replied that I was "just not that cynical."
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I think you have grossly misinterpreted my comments if you think they apply to anything other than past events. There have been several (four) special elections with GOP incumbents since President Trump took office. In all four cases the GOP candidate has been re-elected.

For sure their majorities have been cut but then again that's par for the course. Enough "racist scumbags" turned out to get the GOP candidate returned. The Democratic Party can be cheered by the reduced majorities but it's a bit of a wake up call if they think that simply "not Trump" will swing the House and/or Senate their way in 2018.

Skeptic Ginger said:
I do think we are well past the point Trump could possibly win in 2020, Electoral College or not.
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I guess we will see in 3 years time. If President Trump chooses to stand again and is able to do so (and there are many reasons why that may not be the case, he could say his job is done, he could suffer ill health, he could be embroiled in impeachment proceedings - though I think that's very unlikely) then I think it's highly likely that he will be the GOP candidate. His support within the GOP is still around 80%* and so it's likely that he would be the GOP candidate.

If he's the GOP candidate then it's always possible he will be re-elected.


* - though it is gratifying to see it come down somewhat. I'm not sure where it's going next. I thought the bluster over North Korea would have it going up but Charlottesville really does seem to have dented him - I guess we'll see whether this is permanent or yet another quick dip, rapidly forgotten by the GOP faithful
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Bottom line re 2020, Trump is getting none of his promises done.
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That may be your opinion, but in the right wing echo chamber, free from #FakeNews, there is an alternative reality.

Things that he has already delivered in both realities:

  • A very conservative Supreme Court judge
  • Withdrawal from the TPP
  • Signalled withdrawal from the Paris accord
  • Started rolling back "job killing" environmental regulations

Things that he's done in the right wing alternative reality

  • Tried to repeal Obamacare only to be confounded by those evil libtards and cuckservatives
  • Brought millions of jobs to the US including Courier and Foxconn
  • Brought thousands of coal jobs back
  • Been responsible for great growth which will be even better when the tax breaks come
  • Has worked hard to resist anti-white discrimination
  • Has made the United States safe from Muslim terrorists
  • Is fighting for the rights of Christians

That's the narrative the Democratic Party candidate will be fighting in 2020 IMO.
 
The Don said:
That's the narrative the Democratic Party candidate will be fighting in 2020 IMO.
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That's true, but how many outside of the hardcore base of some 25-30% of the electorate really believe that? That's how many people strongly support Trump, I suspect most will support him come hell or high water. The rest are still sane enough to be convinced otherwise and indeed most of them are. They don't even need to vote for the other guy, they just need to attend elections in smaller numbers than they did in 2016 to deliver a nasty punch already.

I suspect the vote against Trump will be strong too, short of an event he can abuse for personal gain, like a new 9/11.

McHrozni
 
Stacko said:
You know your doddering uncle whose racist facebook posts you always skip? That's the president's inner circle.
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Some have made the argument that BLM is a terrorist group. I think marches with people chanting "death to cops" sure doesn't make them look good, and some of its members have done reprehensible things. However... terrorists? As a whole, even? I doubt it.

Of course, coming from the President's inner circle, we know what the motivations are.
 
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