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Old 13th September 2017, 09:34 AM   #281
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I know one, if you're interested.


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Old 13th September 2017, 09:39 AM   #282
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Old 13th September 2017, 09:48 AM   #284
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"Toads like soda"
They do?

That's fascinating.
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Why do I all need to get woke on Hillary's latest venture? She's nothing. Not running again (thank FSM)

The only ones who truly care about Hillary are you people with your ignorant, ill informed vendetta. You guys gotta get over it.
At least the decades of lies paid off.
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Old 13th September 2017, 10:09 AM   #286
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At least the decades of lies paid off.
They sure did. Funny thing is they're still at it.

And still they persisted?
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Old 13th September 2017, 10:13 AM   #287
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Y'all need to get woke on Hillary's latest venture:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=322809
She endorsed it, but it isn't her venture.

Sounds like a silly venture, worthy of mockery. Not as bad as an administration that is associated with "real news" on facebook, but worthy of mockery nonetheless.
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Old 13th September 2017, 11:02 AM   #288
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It's easy. Trump won. Get over it.......
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Old 13th September 2017, 11:11 AM   #289
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It's easy. Trump won. Get over it.......
Sir, this is a ridiculous response. It would apply equally in any situation in which something bad happened: He did X, should I forgive him? It happened, get over it.

Yes, Trump won. The fact that Trump won makes the question whether Trump votes are forgivable more pertinent, not less. Had Trump lost, those who are aggrieved in this world might be more forgiving.

We all know that Trump won. That is the problem.

NOTE: I forgive and can live with many, perhaps most, Trump voters. I think they made a horrible choice, a choice that we have to live with, but some folk are just easily swayed by transparent con men and that doesn't mean they're bad people.
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Old 13th September 2017, 11:19 AM   #290
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It's easy. Trump won. Get over it.......
That's how you say it. It's said:

"at this point, what difference does it make?"
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Old 13th September 2017, 12:07 PM   #291
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It's easy. Trump won. Get over it.......
He did, due to a fluke.

I plan to work against him, since he plans to work against nonwhite people in the US.
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Old 13th September 2017, 12:35 PM   #292
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He did, due to a fluke.

I plan to work against him, since he plans to work against nonwhite people in the US.
No, not a fluke at all. He won per the rules of presidential elections. Terrible outcome but legitimate and intended by the rules.

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Old 13th September 2017, 12:44 PM   #293
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Trump got media support in the primaries. That was in part what enabled him to beat a pretty strong field of candidates. By the time of the general election, however, the MSM had turned against him pretty hard...
It is possible for the media to have a bias towards a candidate yet still be critical of him.

Trump and his policies needed to be held up to scrutiny. While some things were covered in detail, often they allowed certain lies and scandals to go relatively unexamined.

If I say 2 things wrong, and you only mention 1 of them, you're letting half the things I say go unchallenged.

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It's true that Trump had the support of niche media markets (e.g. Breitbart, various bloggers, and Sean Hannity on Fox)
Uhhh... not just Sean Hannity on fox, but probably the majority of their commentators.
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Furthermore, the media lost interest in the Clinton Foundation, her record as Secretary of State, and even her email shenanigans, and focused relentlessly on Trump's flaws.
Perhaps its because issues like the Clinton foundation and her email shenanigans truly were 'made up' scandals which had already been overplayed in the media, whereas Trump's flaws needed closer examination.
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There were plenty of stories digging into Trump's background, including the uncovering of the audio of his sexist banter with Billy Bush. There was no interest in revisiting any of Hillary's past scandals.
Yet when Comey announced late in the campaign that they were involved in an investigation related to Clinoton's emails (despite the fact that it turned up nothing related to Clinton, and was unlikely to do so), his statement was still covered extensively in the media.
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Or even her health.
Again, why should the media pay any more attention to Hillary's health than Trump's? Trump's diet and health maintenance are way worse than Hillary's, and his doctor's certification of Trump's health was certainly questionable. (And given the number of people who are suggesting Trump might be suffering from dementia, perhaps greater scrutiny was needed.)
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Old 13th September 2017, 12:51 PM   #294
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He did, due to a fluke.

I plan to work against him, since he plans to work against nonwhite people in the US.
Working against the president is totally understandable. It's a privilege all Americans enjoy, and if you see a need for it, it's a duty you should exercise.
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They do?

That's fascinating.
It's the caps and pull-tabs they haven't mastered yet. Once they get past that it'll be common knowledge.
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Old 13th September 2017, 01:40 PM   #296
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That's how you say it. It's said:

"at this point, what difference does it make?"
Oh, SNAP!
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Old 13th September 2017, 03:34 PM   #297
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No, not a fluke at all. He won per the rules of presidential elections. Terrible outcome but legitimate and intended by the rules.

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No, let's be honest. Toupee Fiasco won due to the electoral college, which itself swung his way via 10s of thousands of votes, out of tens of millions. In truth, were all equal, we'd be discussing the first woman president.

This presidency is a mistake, an unneeded war on everyone who isn't a cis straight white male. I hope that enough people see that to throw Toupee Fiasco out when the time comes.
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Old 13th September 2017, 05:35 PM   #298
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No, let's be honest. Toupee Fiasco won due to the electoral college, which itself swung his way via 10s of thousands of votes, out of tens of millions. In truth, were all equal, we'd be discussing the first woman president.

This presidency is a mistake, an unneeded war on everyone who isn't a cis straight white male. I hope that enough people see that to throw Toupee Fiasco out when the time comes.
I don't get your point, I'm afraid.

The electoral college is how we elect presidents. Sometimes the popular vote chooses a person other than the president elect. So it goes.

That's not a shocking misfire of the system. It's how it is designed to work. We can talk about whether the system ought to be changed, but we can't claim that Trump hasn't been genuinely elected.



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I don't get your point, I'm afraid.

The electoral college is how we elect presidents. Sometimes the popular vote chooses a person other than the president elect. So it goes.

That's not a shocking misfire of the system. It's how it is designed to work. We can talk about whether the system ought to be changed, but we can't claim that Trump hasn't been genuinely elected.



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Thats the thing... It may work as its designed to, but some people see it as a flawed design.

If your ideal is that "all men are equal" then giving one voter more political power just because they live in a rural area can be seen as going against that ideal.

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I don't get your point, I'm afraid.

The electoral college is how we elect presidents. Sometimes the popular vote chooses a person other than the president elect. So it goes.

That's not a shocking misfire of the system. It's how it is designed to work. We can talk about whether the system ought to be changed, but we can't claim that Trump hasn't been genuinely elected.



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Is it really how it's designed to work? My impression is that each state was to choose the electors for the electoral college, creating a buffer between the general population and the presidency to help prevent a demagogue.

It has evolved to a simple reapportionment of the popular vote, but I see no evidence that that was the intent. There's nothing in the Constitution that says a state's electors go to the winner of the state's popular vote. There's nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the use of any popular vote in any manner for the presidential election; a state is Constitutionally free to use another method to choose its electors, right?
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He did, due to a fluke.
Eh?

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No, let's be honest. Toupee Fiasco won due to the electoral college, which itself swung his way via 10s of thousands of votes, out of tens of millions. In truth, were all equal, we'd be discussing the first woman president.
You have a very strange definition of "fluke".

He won fair and square. In that, that's the problem.
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Going to be off-topic I imagine, but I followed the Zimmerman trial extremely closely, and I think it is extremely likely that Martin confronted Zimmerman, suckerpunched him, and then started grounding and pounding him MMA style. One doesn't have to be a white supremacist to follow the evidence and logic presented at trial.
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It's also extremely likely that Zimmerman was gung-ho enough to initiate the confrontation and found himself on the wrong end of a beating he started. We just don't know, hence why Zim is not in jail.
Or you are both biased:

Zimmerman confronted Martin, who first struck Z because he felt threatened (Hey it works for the fuzz), then scrabbled ineffectually with him on the ground to prevent him drawing a weapon.
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She endorsed it, but it isn't her venture.

Sounds like a silly venture, worthy of mockery. Not as bad as an administration that is associated with "real news" on facebook, but worthy of mockery nonetheless.
The founder Peter Daou described the site as an "online hub for Clinton backers

Like the "vast right wing conspiracy" it's a creation of the Clinton machine spin team
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Thats the thing... It may work as its designed to, but some people see it as a flawed design.

If your ideal is that "all men are equal" then giving one voter more political power just because they live in a rural area can be seen as going against that ideal.

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Sure, one can debate whether this is a good system, but one can't say that Trump's election was a failure of the system. It's as intended result, more or less. (Russian interference notwithstanding, obviously. )

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Is it really how it's designed to work? My impression is that each state was to choose the electors for the electoral college, creating a buffer between the general population and the presidency to help prevent a demagogue.

It has evolved to a simple reapportionment of the popular vote, but I see no evidence that that was the intent. There's nothing in the Constitution that says a state's electors go to the winner of the state's popular vote. There's nothing in the Constitution that guarantees the use of any popular vote in any manner for the presidential election; a state is Constitutionally free to use another method to choose its electors, right?
Fair enough, if we want to talk about original intent, but the recent election is in line with the current traditions.

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Again, I have no interest in people who apologize for murderers like Zimmerman.

I see no need to accept apologies, since they offer none. They fit in perfectly with this administration - absolute hostility based on skin color. Makes sense.
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Again, I have no interest in people who apologize for murderers like Zimmerman.

I see no need to accept apologies, since they offer none. They fit in perfectly with this administration - absolute hostility based on skin color. Makes sense.
Just a suggestion: Then don't troll for them
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Again, I have no interest in people who apologize for murderers like Zimmerman.
Legally, Zimmerman is not a murderer.

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You will never get an apology from me for giving my honest interpretation of the facts. But it is clear that you are emotionally invested in your version of facts, and therefore beyond the reach of reason, so I won't belabor the point anymore.
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And we finally have a christian on the supreme court.
Do you have an objection to Christians having a place on the SCOTUS?

I can't wait to hear it ...
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Again, I have no interest in people who apologize for murderers like Zimmerman.
Who did Zimmerman murder, and who apologized for that murder?
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Just a suggestion: Then don't troll for them
Hm.

Nah. Run them out.
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Do you have an objection to Christians having a place on the SCOTUS?

I can't wait to hear it ...
As I understand it, the reason why so many Fundamentalist Christians are so excited about the prospect of Gorsuch being on the Supreme Court is that they think that his Christian faith will be influential in that he makes on the Supreme Court.

He will be a Christian Supreme Court judge, contrasting with past Supreme Court judges who just happen to be Christian (or Jewish or whatever).
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Or you are both biased:

Zimmerman confronted Martin, who first struck Z because he felt threatened (Hey it works for the fuzz), then scrabbled ineffectually with him on the ground to prevent him drawing a weapon.
Isn't that exactly what I said?
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As I understand it, the reason why so many Fundamentalist Christians are so excited about the prospect of Gorsuch being on the Supreme Court is that they think that his Christian faith will be influential in that he makes on the Supreme Court.

He will be a Christian Supreme Court judge, contrasting with past Supreme Court judges who just happen to be Christian (or Jewish or whatever).
And that not one of the judges has been a real christian in years. They were all papists and jews. We can finally return to being the christian country our founders intended.
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Do you have an objection to Christians having a place on the SCOTUS?

I can't wait to hear it ...
Natural rights, number one, are an egg-sucking short-cut the DoI could have done without, but which adds a built-in excuse for those who wish to find a crack there, rightly or wrongly. This makes fundies on SCOTUS highly suspect from the git go. Further, if for a member of the Court, faith supersedes civil law in judgment, or induces extraneous religious interpretations not in the letter of the texts, then you have a bona fide theocrat, not a civil judge. To which the appropriate comment would be, "Toss the bum."

All SCOTUS members have a right to free conscience. They also have a very formal obligation to interpret and stick to the civil law as it stands, their appointed duty, being able in this case to use fact-based reasoning and logic as aids, but no faith-based mumbo-jumbo as proper grounds for anything, oye.
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Hm.

Nah. Run them out.
Or be run out by them
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Old 14th September 2017, 02:05 PM   #318
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
Sure. I can forgive a Trump voter.

The ones that I cannot forgive are the unapologetic supporters of the Iraq War. Those are the people that I still find so horribly disgusting.
But could you work with them? Like if you needed that someone to work with you to stop a completely needless invasion of North Korea would you?

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Anything? Name one thing the *********** Frogs have done in the 19th - 20th century to make anybody's lives better.
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The 1812 Overture.

They probably saved 100,000 German lives by surrendering in WWII.

The bikini.

Catherine Deneuve (certainly made Luis Bunuel's life better).

The Tour de France.

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Pretty sure they also have done some good work in identifying viruses and creating vaccines too.

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I have friends who voted for Clinton and I haven't forgiven them yet. How anybody could have voted for that political gangster is beyond me. No other political machine in modern history has amassed so many scandals and told so many lies.

Clinton supporters are a "basket of despicables".
Even if I accepted that the scandals were real, which I don't, at least her policies were designed to help as many people as possible whereas his are only designed to make liberals cry.

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That's like me saying that Trump has no scandals that weren't manufactured by the toxic liberal media and conniving dems.
Well except that he admits he has obstructed justice.

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Help me bash your fellow ISF members who were Trump voters.

This thread is disgusting. It exists solely to point fingers and trash talk your fellow posters. Do you get off on this? The posts in it are so bad the whole thread should be moderated into the garbage.

I have been to some other skeptic political sites recently and though this one is possibly the largest, it takes the cake for being the rudest. No contest.

The thread title alone should clue the moderators that it does not belong here. Anywhere. The personal attacks here at this site are out of control, in my opinion.
Personal attacks?
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Old 14th September 2017, 07:00 PM   #319
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Originally Posted by Travis View Post
Even if I accepted that the scandals were real, which I don't, at least her policies were designed to help as many people as possible whereas his are only designed to make liberals cry.
And we're back, as always, to justifying positions by ascribing motives to others. Those on your side, have good motives, those who aren't have bad motives.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Isn't that exactly what I said?
If we are being picky, not exactly. You suggested Z started the actual beating.

I think it's possible (even probable) he was just thinking "I'll reach to my pocket for my phone to call the cops", without considering how that action, coupled with his words "No, I don't have a problem" looks from Martin's viewpoint.
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