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Old 11th September 2017, 03:07 PM   #1
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Parents remove child from school as classmate is permitted to wear a dress

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And yet we still have things like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146

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Old 11th September 2017, 04:05 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by p0lka View Post
And yet we still have things like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146
Something tells me it's not their kid, but only the parents are confused. My brother also liked to wear dresses at that age, and I cannot remember any hubbub about that. That was in the 1970s and not in a particularly enlightened (nor particularly religious) part of the country.

It's encouraging to see they hired the Christian Legal Centre, the lawyers for bigots who use religion as a fig-leaf and lose everything.
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Old 11th September 2017, 04:36 PM   #3
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Something tells me it's not their kid, but only the parents are confused. My brother also liked to wear dresses at that age, and I cannot remember any hubbub about that. That was in the 1970s and not in a particularly enlightened (nor particularly religious) part of the country.

It's encouraging to see they hired the Christian Legal Centre, the lawyers for bigots who use religion as a fig-leaf and lose everything.
I agree, the kid would just get used to it, its the parents that are having an issue with it and using their child to defend their views, how christian of them.
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Old 12th September 2017, 08:23 AM   #4
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I agree, the kid would just get used to it, its the parents that are having an issue with it and using their child to defend their views, how christian of them.
Absolutely agree that it is entirely the parents' fault that the child is confused. It is they who have caused the confusion and it is sad to think that the children have almost certainly been indoctrinated since birth that God only wants heterosexual little girls and boys.
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I bet neither the child, nor the parents, is confused by girls wearing a skirt one day, and trousers or shorts the next.
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They are douchebags. Move on.

Not trying to be dismissive, I've just used up my quote of meaningful comments on others sites where the story has been discussed. They use their children as tools to justify their own bigotry, and simply don't seem to see the problem.
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My brother used to wear dresses and skirts all the time when he was a kid in the late 60s / early 70s.* It was no big deal then, and it should not be a big deal now.

It shouldn't be an issue -this is just a couple of idiots getting all worked up because they don't know how to explain that people can wear what they want.

Are these parents 'confused' by men or boys wearing kilts? Are they 'confused' by men or boys wearing thawbs? I suspect not. Have they never seen news reports about schoolboys wearing school uniform skirts in hot weather to protest about not having the option to wear shorts?

*He's not transgender or gay. Though he does do a bit of Gilbert & Sullivan am-dram since he got too old to play cricket at the level he wanted.
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The parents have previous form (quote taken from the BBC article linked in the OP)

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Two years ago they removed their eldest son from the same school in a separate row about a different child with gender identity issues.
Gosh their kids certainly seem to encounter a lot of gender-fluid children. It's almost as if they're deliberately seeking out controversy in order to further their religiously inspired bigotry - but surely no Christian would act like that
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I thought jesus wore dresses?


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Old 13th September 2017, 05:28 AM   #10
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The parents have previous form (quote taken from the BBC article linked in the OP)



Gosh their kids certainly seem to encounter a lot of gender-fluid children. It's almost as if they're deliberately seeking out controversy in order to further their religiously inspired bigotry - but surely no Christian would act like that
Wait til the find out the principal's suit is a wool-blend.
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What exactly is is that their lawsuit seeks to accomplish? Surely they can't expect that the court will rule that no children who are genetically male may wear a dress?

And I don't understand how their child is "confused". "Well little Timmy, although we call some types of clothes 'boys' and some types 'girls', actually anybody can wear anything they want." How is that a problem?

For that matter what in "christian belief" runs against transgenderism or cross dressing? Does the bible actually have a stance on that?
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It seems one heck of a tizzy to get into over something that is purely a social convention and nothing else. I remember a cartoon from, I think, the New Musical Express in the late 1970s - might have been Nick Lowry - that showed two people walking across Tiananmen Square in Mao-era fatigue overalls and caps, and the caption had one saying to the other, "By the way, did you know I'm a transvestite?"

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Old 13th September 2017, 06:36 AM   #13
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What exactly is is that their lawsuit seeks to accomplish?
Publicity, and to enhance the persecution complex that so many fundamentalists seem to have.
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Wait til the find out the principal's suit is a wool-blend.
That's beyond the pale, pillory the freak
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I bet neither the child, nor the parents, is confused by girls wearing a skirt one day, and trousers or shorts the next.
It appears that cross dressing is to them a one way street. Women can wear male clothes but males must not wear female clothes. I don't know how that works.

I wonder what their opinion is on kilts?
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I bet neither the child, nor the parents, is confused by girls wearing a skirt one day, and trousers or shorts the next.
They may not be confused, but they may be "outraged" by a girl wearing trousers. Then again they may be outraged by anyone wearing immodest clothing.
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They may not be confused, but they may be "outraged" by a girl wearing trousers. Then again they may be outraged by anyone wearing immodest clothing.
The immodesty in the instance of a girl wearing trousers, presumably, is in admitting that she has legs, despite the fact that long trousers cover more of the anatomy than a short skirt.

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The immodesty in the instance of a girl wearing trousers, presumably, is in admitting that she has legs, despite the fact that long trousers cover more of the anatomy than a short skirt.

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I don't know, perhaps you can refer to the latest list of Abominations unto Nuggan for the definitive answer but any skirt in this case will be well below the knees and be cut in a way so as to give little or no hint as to the shape of the person underneath.
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I don't know, perhaps you can refer to the latest list of Abominations unto Nuggan for the definitive answer but any skirt in this case will be well below the knees and be cut in a way so as to give little or no hint as to the shape of the person underneath.
Traditionally, that's been the argument. trousers show the shape and curve of the hips and buttocks, which could inspire sinful and lustful thoughts in young men, you hussy.

Yeah, I don't much understand it either.
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Traditionally, that's been the argument. trousers show the shape and curve of the hips and buttocks, which could inspire sinful and lustful thoughts in young men, you hussy.

Yeah, I don't much understand it either.
IIRC, almost anything can inspire sinful and lustful thoughts in young men - at least if my teenage years are anything to go by
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And yet we still have things like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146
When I think of the things to worry about at school, this is really low on the list
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IIRC, almost anything can inspire sinful and lustful thoughts in young men - at least if my teenage years are anything to go by
Yep. But Christianity (in pretty much all it's flavors) has always had this thing for denying human nature.
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I don't know, perhaps you can refer to the latest list of Abominations unto Nuggan for the definitive answer but any skirt in this case will be well below the knees ankles and be cut in a way so as to give little or no hint as to the shape of the person underneath.
FTFY , a woman showing her ankles was considered scandalous, almost pornographic, by many in the early 19th century.
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Oh FFS, these people need to realize that it isn't contagious. Having precious little Timmy see that some boys wear dresses will not magically make little Timmy gay, unless he was born that way of course.
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FTFY , a woman showing her ankles was considered scandalous, almost pornographic, by many in the early 19th century.
True, but these days Christian "modest" dress codes seem to favour mid-calf skirts and heavy tights/stockings as a way of protecting modesty as well as being somewhat practical.

Of course girls could be super-modest and wear the burkha but I expect that would cause some people's heads to explode.
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Erm...Isn't that exactly what it means?
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IIRC, almost anything can inspire sinful and lustful thoughts in young men - at least if my teenage years are anything to go by
Brings to mind this line from Buffy -

Xander: "I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex."
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Brings to mind this line from Buffy -

Xander: "I'm 17. Looking at linoleum makes me wanna have sex."
Now that one I can understand. But in my case it's more memory and experience than hormones
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I don't know, perhaps you can refer to the latest list of Abominations unto Nuggan for the definitive answer but any skirt in this case will be well below the knees and be cut in a way so as to give little or no hint as to the shape of the person underneath.
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Oh FFS, these people need to realize that it isn't contagious. Having precious little Timmy see that some boys wear dresses will not magically make little Timmy gay, unless he was born that way of course.
Are you sure? My second cousin's father-in-law's third ex-wife's friend's roommate said he caught it from someone wearing an earring. That's gotta be true, right?

I mean, it's no 2000 year old mythical book written by primitive mystics, but it's still pretty good, right?

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Are you sure? My second cousin's father-in-law's third ex-wife's friend's roommate said he caught it from someone wearing an earring. That's gotta be true, right?

I mean, it's no 2000 year old mythical book written by primitive mystics, but it's still pretty good, right?

That same mythical book mentions not eating pork, not eating leftovers and not eating shellfish, many many more times than any thing about cross dressing.

Funny that
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That same mythical book mentions not eating pork, not eating leftovers and not eating shellfish, many many more times than any thing about cross dressing.

Funny that
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Thus I guess we should stone to death women who ever wear trousers.
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Nope.

Deu 22:5
Thus I guess we should stone to death women who ever wear trousers.
I recall that when he first started out that god did not want people to wear clothes at all. I wonder what changed its mind.
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I recall that when he first started out that god did not want people to wear clothes at all. I wonder what changed its mind.
Well, if you have to do it, you should do it right, darnit.

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I recall that when he first started out that god did not want people to wear clothes at all. I wonder what changed its mind.
After he saw what happened to his creation when it aged, he took pity on us.
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After he saw what happened to his creation when it aged, he took pity on us.
So the christians are correct - he actually is a "merciful" god.
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So the christians are correct - he actually is a "merciful" god.
Merciful with at times a perverted sense of humor.
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Old 13th September 2017, 11:40 AM   #39
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Never a miscoummunication. You can't explain that!
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And yet we still have things like this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-41224146
So what's the problem here? Are parents upset that another boy in their son's class came to school wearing a dress? Or are they upset that another boy in their son's class transitioning from male to female? Or are they upset that their child was disciplined for using the wrong gender pronoun for the transvestite/transgender child?
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