Merged Artificial Intelligence Research: Supermathematics and Physics

fuelair said:
Yes, we do - for people who ask intelligent questions and/or give explanations that are clear and easy to check/verify because they are capable of providing such. Far too many of those we disparage are so treated because they make no attempt to meet such criteria and clearly do not have the ability to do so.
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Regardless, (a few people from this forum), people from other forums, and or people with actual machine learning experience, have given helpful responses, notably with some of the same questions or content presented by me here (where 99% of the responders here fail to give sensible remarks)...
 
ProgrammingGodJordan said:
Regardless, (a few people from this forum), people from other forums, and or people with actual machine learning experience, have given helpful responses, notably with some of the same questions or content presented by me here (where 99% of the responders here fail to give sensible remarks)...
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That is perfectly lovely for you!!!!!:)
 
Well then

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Any comment PGJ?
 
He did have one quite ludicrous one:

ProgrammingGodJordan said:
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This prior response is information that shows that I had long acknowledged that Bengio had issues parsing some of my queries. (Maybe it has something to do with his French nature?)

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Strange then that Bengio's reply is in quite coherent English.

I would again suggest that it is rarely the failing of the reader when trying to parse PGJ posts.

PGJ, listen to people who can actually communicate clearly in English, you could learn a lot, but probably won't.
 
abaddon said:
Well then

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Any comment PGJ?
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Consider a following quote of mine:

ProgrammingGodJordan said:
Old data.

This prior response is information that shows that I had long acknowledged that Bengio had issues parsing some of my queries. (Maybe it has something to do with his French nature?)

In that first url above, you will notice another exchange with some one who deals with cosmology/particle physics, who didn't appear to exhibit any sign of parsing problems...
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abaddon said:
Oh and let's just note permissions and how bengio is a nice guy

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/in8tlka.jpg[/qimg]
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What does your message above uncover, especially when the very first gmail exchange screenshot I showed you, already showed that I rephrased a question to put to Bengio?

Also, you should consider:

(1) Bengio is French speaking, as indicated here. (Might have something to do with why Bengio had parsing problem, whereas the person below didn't)

(2) I've talked with another, who didn't exhibit any sign of parsing error, as indicated here.



What do you hope to achieve?
 
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ProgrammingGodJordan said:
What does your message above uncover, especially when the very first gmail exchange screenshot I showed you, already showed that I rephrased a question to put to Bengio?

Also, you should consider:

(1) Bengio is French speaking, as indicated here. (Might have something to do with why Bengio had parsing problem, whereas the person below didn't)

(2) I've talked with another, who didn't exhibit any sign of parsing error, as indicated here.

What do you hope to achieve?
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How interesting, now that your claims are being fact checked, you get all defensive. I wonder why that is?
 
abaddon said:
Oh and let's just note permissions and how bengio is a nice guy

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/in8tlka.jpg[/qimg]
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[IMGw=180]https://i.imgur.com/CIpHftz.jpg[/IMGw]

Also, where did I supposedly claim to collaborate with Bengio? (Can you provide us with a quote, or any indication that I had made such a claim?)
 
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abaddon said:
How interesting, now that your claims are being fact checked, you get all defensive. I wonder why that is?
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Well, it is only reasonable to point out the irrelevant posts you are making.

Why bother, when I had long presented a screenshot, showing that I had rephrased the question to Bengio?

Do you not recognize that your messages aren't novel or contain any new information?

PS: Your posts, although not entirely true (such as your accusation that I claimed to have collaborated with Bengio) are actually somewhat helpful, they at least dispel peoples' doubts on whether I had lied about exchanging words with Bengio...
 
fagin said:
Most of us here speak English. Some of us even live in England.

Your use of English is a joke.

Most people here have mentioned that. Do you have problems with comprehension as well as usage?
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I don't know where Bengio's French nature caused his parsing error, but, I can see where others have understood my expressions quite well.

[IMGw=180]https://i.imgur.com/uF9FVel.jpg[/IMGw]

..but I predict you guys shall probably ignore item 2 in this quote, I ponder why?
 
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ProgrammingGodJordan said:
Well, it is only reasonable to point out the irrelevant posts you are making.

Why bother, when I had long presented a screenshot, showing that I had rephrased the question to Bengio?

Do you not recognize that your messages aren't novel or contain any new information?

PS: Your posts, although not entirely true (such as your accusation that I claimed to have collaborated with Bengio) are actually somewhat helpful, they at least dispel peoples' doubts on whether I had lied about exchanging words with Bengio...
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Well, I am not entirely without empathy so...

Imagine you sent me a mail demanding that I had over my home to you. Imagine further that I sent a reply telling you to "get lost" or similar.

By any measure, that would be "exchanging words". The term "exchanged words" is thus meaningless without reference to exactly which words were exchanged.

As for "collaborated", while you may not have used that precise word, you strongly implied exactly that. You progressively downgraded it to "had a conversation with", to exchanged emails with", to "sent incomprehensible emails to" as you were pressed by I and others here and finally blamed him for not understanding you in a blatantly racist statement. The one reply you cited was a correction he sent to you and a recommendation that you read his book. You failed to have the basic respect to even ask for permission to cite and then misrepresented the one reply to did cite without permission.

In the face of all of that behaviour, how motivated do you think I am to trawl back through the thread for evidence you will simply ignore anyway?
 
fagin said:
Sounds like you sent him a bunch of emails, most of which he ignored.

He responded to one and suggested you read his book.

That's not collaboration, that's pity.
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What is the matter with people on this forum and their bandwagons?

I said that there was no such collaboration, I had asked Bengio some questions.

As he made clear, he couldn't make sense of some of my questions, but later responded after a rephrasing.

He also responded to others as well:


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Abaddon, you can fact check the image above too.... (no parsing errors detected though)
 
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abaddon said:
Well, I am not entirely without empathy so...

Imagine you sent me a mail demanding that I had over my home to you. Imagine further that I sent a reply telling you to "get lost" or similar.

By any measure, that would be "exchanging words". The term "exchanged words" is thus meaningless without reference to exactly which words were exchanged.

As for "collaborated", while you may not have used that precise word, you strongly implied exactly that. You progressively downgraded it to "had a conversation with", to exchanged emails with", to "sent incomprehensible emails to" as you were pressed by I and others here and finally blamed him for not understanding you in a blatantly racist statement. The one reply you cited was a correction he sent to you and a recommendation that you read his book. You failed to have the basic respect to even ask for permission to cite and then misrepresented the one reply to did cite without permission.

In the face of all of that behaviour, how motivated do you think I am to trawl back through the thread for evidence you will simply ignore anyway?
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(1) By his french nature, I was referring to his language.

(2) I didn't downplay anything, even if I had said "had a conversation with", that carries the same meaning as "exchanged emails with".

You may need to look up the word conversation.

(3) Not all my messages faced parsing problems. At the end of the day, he did answer my questions:


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ProgrammingGodJordan said:
(1) By his french nature, I was referring to his language.

(2) I didn't downplay anything, even if I had said "had a conversation with", that carries the same meaning as "exchanged emails with".

You may need to look up the word conversation.

(3) Not all my messages faced parsing problems. At the end of the day, he did answer my questions:


[qimg]https://imgur.com/XWN4W6e.png[/qimg]

[qimg]https://i.imgur.com/x3RM20F.png[/qimg]
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Well, collaborate might not be the right word, but

ProgrammingGodJordan said:
Perhaps if you pursued Ai, the PDF wouldn't appear like gibberish to you.

I've exchanged emails with people like Bengio Yoshua, about the contents of Thought Curvature, and he didn't respond to me as if the paper was gibberish. At any cost, physics probably won't be complete without describing the observer (i.e. human level intelligence)

Perhaps Tegmark is onto something fruitful...
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He corrected you once, suggested you read his book, and in emails to abaddon, suggested if not gibberish, your language was difficult to understand. His English seems very good, so by implication, yours must be a bit ****.

And if you'd just said language instead of nature, people would actually have understood what you meant, instead of sounding like a racist.
 
fagin said:
Well, collaborate might not be the right word, but



He corrected you once, suggested you read his book, and in emails to abaddon, suggested if not gibberish, your language was difficult to understand. His English seems very good, so by implication, yours must be a bit ****.

And if you'd just said language instead of nature, people would actually have understood what you meant, instead of sounding like a racist.
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(1) No, it definitely wasn't gibberish, he briefly discussed the use of manifolds in deep learning, just before redirecting me to his book.

Of course, that was quite helpful, and manifolds are precisely what may be used to learn factors of variation, in euclidean like space. (which was appropriate for the problem in the question I posed)

(2) Despite the instance that I had specified that I was referring to Bengio's language, as seen on the previous page here, abaddon still proceeded to accuse me of racist attacks.

...then you promptly jumped on that bandwagon.

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Why do you love bandwagons so much? Don't you see that bandwagons may lead one to ignore evidence (as you demonstrably did above)?
 
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fagin said:
Pity you don't do sarcasm.

I quite liked this quote about your misuse of language:
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I could also play that game, I could also switch in perfectly usable words you guys employ, with some other synonym that would not be appropriate in whatever scenario they were initially employed in.

This however, would not change that the initial words were properly used.

In the like, the initial words I use are appropriate.



Footnote:

For example, let me do a worthless switch on your statement above, in a similar way you guys would treat my words:
Switched Fagin Statement said:
Pity Compassion you don't do sarcasm scorn.
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As you can probably see, the switch above makes no darn sense (and you guys love doing these), and it attempts to solve an error that didn't initially exist.
It could be seen as somewhat amusing, however utterly worthless.
 
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abaddon said:
Well, I am not entirely without empathy so...

Imagine you sent me a mail demanding that I had over my home to you. Imagine further that I sent a reply telling you to "get lost" or similar.

By any measure, that would be "exchanging words". The term "exchanged words" is thus meaningless without reference to exactly which words were exchanged.

As for "collaborated", while you may not have used that precise word, you strongly implied exactly that. You progressively downgraded it to "had a conversation with", to exchanged emails with", to "sent incomprehensible emails to" as you were pressed by I and others here and finally blamed him for not understanding you in a blatantly racist statement. The one reply you cited was a correction he sent to you and a recommendation that you read his book. You failed to have the basic respect to even ask for permission to cite and then misrepresented the one reply to did cite without permission.
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PGJ also implied that Bengio had no problems with PGJ's use of English.
 
ProgrammingGodJordan said:
I could also play that game, I could also switch in perfectly usable words you guys employ, with some other synonym that would not be appropriate in whatever scenario they were initially employed in.

This however, would not change that the initial words weren't properly used.

In the like, the initial words I use are appropriate.



Footnote:

For example, let me do a worthless switch on your statement above, in a similar way you guys would treat my words:


As you can probably see, the switch above makes no darn sense (and you guys love doing these), and it attempts to solve an error that didn't initially exist.
It could be seen as somewhat amusing, however utterly worthless.
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Yes, if you substitute words that are synonymous in one sense for usages other than that particular sense, the results are worthless. But you don't need to mess about with other peoples' posts to demonstrate this: you have already adequately demonstrated it with your own.
 
Mojo said:
PGJ also implied that Bengio had no problems with PGJ's use of English.
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Not another bandwagon fan...

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Look, just as abaddon wanted to present that I was being racist, contrary to evidence, you may derive from that quote what you desire.

However, it remains a valid expression, there was no long standing debate regarding my English via Bengio.

I simply slightly rephrased some question, after he had remarked of parsing problems.
 
Mojo said:
Yes, if you substitute words that are synonymous in one sense for usages other than that particular sense, the results are worthless. But you don't need to mess about with other peoples' posts to demonstrate this: you have already adequately demonstrated it with your own.
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My prior quote is still demonstrably valid, bandwagoner.

You can't demonstrate evidence for your quote above, save for the story-line that the bandwagon has engendered.

The bandwagon is strong with this one.
 
Argumemnon said:
I think he achieved pretty well a demonstration that you were, in fact, not being truthful.
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How has he supposedly done this, without presenting evidence of the lie he accused me of?

How does this pertain to thought curvature?

[IMGw=340]https://i.imgur.com/o2nvGNR.jpg[/IMGw]

Still waiting for any evidence of any lie I supposedly told, w.r.t. Bengio Yoshua, and my exchanges with him...

...but do proceed on your bandwagon journey...
 
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Quote page 66 onward with C∞(Rn) from Geometric, Algebraic and Topological ...

  1. 8 August 2017: Ignorant math word salad on academia.edu (gibberish title and worse contents).
  2. 14 August 2017: Thought Curvature abstract starts with actual gibberish.
  3. 14 August 2017: Thought Curvature abstract that lies about your previous wrong definition.
  4. 14 August 2017: A Curvature abstract ends with ignorant gibberish: "Ergo the paradox axiomatizes".
  5. 16 August 2017: Thought Curvature DeepMind bad scholarship (no citations) and some incoherence
  6. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature uetorch bad scholarship (no citations) and incoherence
  7. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature irrelevant "childhood neocortical framework" sentence and missing citation.
  8. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature "non-invariant fabric" gibberish.
  9. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature Partial paradox reduction gibberish and missing citations.
  10. 4 October 2017: Looks like an expanded incoherent document starting with title: "Thought Curvature: An underivative hypothesis"
  11. 4 October 2017: "An underivative hypothesis": An abstract of incoherent word salad linking to a PDF of worse gibberish.
  12. 4 October 2017: "Supermathematics ...": The "manifold learning frameworks" link is wrong because the paper does not have any manifold learning frameworks
  13. 4 October 2017: Links to people basically ignoring his ideas in 2 forum threads!
  14. 4 October 2017: It is a lie that I stated that manifold learning frameworks is in the paper.
  15. 4 October 2017: Lists messages form someone mostly ignoring his work!
  16. 5 October 2017: A link to a PDF repeating a delusion of a "Deepmnd atari q architecture".
  17. 5 October 2017: A lie about an "irrelevant one line description of deep q learning" when I quoted a relevant DeepMind Wikipedia article.
  18. 5 October 2017: No experiment at all, proposed or actual at the given link or PDF!
  19. 5 October 2017: A PDF section title lies about a probable experiment no experiment at all, proposed or actual.
  20. 6 October 2017: Insults about knowledge of machine learning when I displayed knowledge by looking for something I knew about (pooling versus non-pooling layers).
  21. 12 October 2017: Resorts to a repeated insult of my level of knowledge of machine learning.
  22. 12 October 2017: Thought curvature v? - the "abstract" is word salad with no real meaning.
  23. 12 October 2017: Thought curvature gibberish becomes obvious in the PDF abstract
  24. 12 October 2017: There is no "empirical evidence pertaining to supersymmetry in the biological brain" in [12].
  25. 12 October 2017: A mathematician commented on that C∞(Rn) nonsense months ago
  26. 12 October 2017: Links to a repeated lie of "shown to lack basic Machine Learning know how.".
  27. 12 October 2017: A lie about a Wikipedia article which does not have any C∞(Rn).
  28. 12 October 2017: A lie of "Algebraic Geometry over C∞-rings" is about Euclidean superspaces (may be in a reference though).
  29. 12 October 2017: A lie that C∞(Rn) "stuff" is in reference 13 ("Homological Algebra for Superalgebras of Differentiable Functions")
An outstanding question that may make turn those C∞(Rn) "stuff" citations into mistakes:
12 October 2017: Quote page 66 onward from your copy of Geometric, Algebraic and Topological Methods for Quantum Field Theory.
 
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Reality Check said:
  1. 8 August 2017: Ignorant math word salad on academia.edu (gibberish title and worse contents).
  2. 14 August 2017: Thought Curvature abstract starts with actual gibberish.
  3. 14 August 2017: Thought Curvature abstract that lies about your previous wrong definition.
  4. 14 August 2017: A Curvature abstract ends with ignorant gibberish: "Ergo the paradox axiomatizes".
  5. 16 August 2017: Thought Curvature DeepMind bad scholarship (no citations) and some incoherence
  6. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature uetorch bad scholarship (no citations) and incoherence
  7. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature irrelevant "childhood neocortical framework" sentence and missing citation.
  8. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature "non-invariant fabric" gibberish.
  9. 18 August 2017: Thought Curvature Partial paradox reduction gibberish and missing citations.
  10. 4 October 2017: Looks like an expanded incoherent document starting with title: "Thought Curvature: An underivative hypothesis"
  11. 4 October 2017: "An underivative hypothesis": An abstract of incoherent word salad linking to a PDF of worse gibberish.
  12. 4 October 2017: "Supermathematics ...": The "manifold learning frameworks" link is wrong because the paper does not have any manifold learning frameworks
  13. 4 October 2017: Links to people basically ignoring his ideas in 2 forum threads!
  14. 4 October 2017: It is a lie that I stated that manifold learning frameworks is in the paper.
  15. 4 October 2017: Lists messages form someone mostly ignoring his work!
  16. 5 October 2017: A link to a PDF repeating a delusion of a "Deepmnd atari q architecture".
  17. 5 October 2017: A lie about an "irrelevant one line description of deep q learning" when I quoted a relevant DeepMind Wikipedia article.
  18. 5 October 2017: No experiment at all, proposed or actual at the given link or PDF!
  19. 5 October 2017: A PDF section title lies about a probable experiment no experiment at all, proposed or actual.
  20. 6 October 2017: Insults about knowledge of machine learning when I displayed knowledge by looking for something I knew about (pooling versus non-pooling layers).
  21. 12 October 2017: Resorts to a repeated insult of my level of knowledge of machine learning.
  22. 12 October 2017: Thought curvature v? - the "abstract" is word salad with no real meaning.
  23. 12 October 2017: Thought curvature gibberish becomes obvious in the PDF abstract
  24. 12 October 2017: There is no "empirical evidence pertaining to supersymmetry in the biological brain" in [12].
  25. 12 October 2017: A mathematician commented on that C∞(Rn) nonsense months ago
  26. 12 October 2017: Links to a repeated lie of "shown to lack basic Machine Learning know how.".
  27. 12 October 2017: A lie about a Wikipedia article which does not have any C∞(Rn).
  28. 12 October 2017: A lie of "Algebraic Geometry over C∞-rings" is about Euclidean superspaces (may be in a reference though).
  29. 12 October 2017: A lie that C∞(Rn) "stuff" is in reference 13 ("Homological Algebra for Superalgebras of Differentiable Functions")
An outstanding question that may make turn those C∞(Rn) "stuff" citations into mistakes:
12 October 2017: Quote page 66 onward from your copy of Geometric, Algebraic and Topological Methods for Quantum Field Theory.
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ProgrammingGodJordan said:
Notably though, the same crucial content that was acknowledged and answered by by Yoshua Bengio, pioneer in Deep Neural Networks (with actual machine learning experience) as seen here, (which is in the current thought curvature version) was labelled as gibberish by another poster here. (See here or here)
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