Cont: The Trump Presidency Part III

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Argumemnon said:
Given that several posters on this forum have said that they voted for Trump, isn't that directed at them?
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There are several conservatives on this forum, too, and you're only now wondering if disparaging comments made about a group of people count as direct attacks on forum members?

But to answer your question: No.
 
Subpoena Orders Trump To Turn Over Documents From Assault Allegations

Summer Zervos, a former contestant on the Trump’s reality TV show The Apprentice, accused Trump of kissing and grabbing her when she went to his bungalow at the Beverly Hills Hotel in 2007 to discuss a possible job at the Trump Organization. After Zervos made the accusation last October, just weeks before the election, Trump denied her accusation and called it a lie.

She responded by suing him for defamation. As part of that suit, her lawyers served a subpoena on his campaign, asking that it preserve all documents it had about her.

They also asked for “all documents” concerning other women who have accused Trump of groping them, including Jessica Leeds, Mindy McGillivray, Rachel Crooks, Natasha Stoynoff, Temple Taggart, Kristin Anderson, Cathy Heller, Jill Harth, and Jessica Drake. The subpoena seeks “all documents concerning any accusations that were made during Donald J. Trump’s election campaign for president, that he subjected any woman to unwanted sexual touching and/or sexually inappropriate behavior.” Last year, Trump tweeted a blanket denial, saying, “Nothing ever happened with any of these women.”
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
There are several conservatives on this forum, too, and you're only now wondering if disparaging comments made about a group of people count as direct attacks on forum members?
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You say that as if it's the first time I point it out.

But to answer your question: No.
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I disagree. If you say that you collect stamps and then I say that all stamp collectors are idiots and rapists, no exceptions, you don't think that this, especially the last bit, is pretty explicitly directed at you?
 
Argumemnon said:
I disagree. If you say that you collect stamps and then I say that all stamp collectors are idiots and rapists, no exceptions, you don't think that this, especially the last bit, is pretty explicitly directed at you?
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I assume your question was a subtle attempt to point out a Membership Agreement violation. However, as long as I've been here, the mods have never acted as if this is how they interpret the MA. If you have a problem with enforcement, take it up with them.

That's the last I'll say on the topic, as it's completely off-topic and better suited for Forum Management.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
VERY bad example.
All communication systems rely from the get-go on mass adoption. As Kevin Kelly said: the first fax machine was useless. It only became functional once the second one was bought.
The PC was always aimed at the wider market, not just the very rich or huge companies.

There are very few cases were early adopters paid for products that later became mainstream.
High end photography might be an example, as would be some car parts adopted from proffesional racing (turbo charger).
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Indeed.
 
a_unique_person said:
Please explain.
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A friend of mine insists that "Trickle Down" has been a economic success and raised people out of poverty. According to him, Reaganomics has given the Middle Class and even the poor, Refrigerators, Air Conditioning, TVs (yep TVs), and Cellphones. As he continues to see it, minimizing taxes on the wealthy and holding down minimum wages creates a better standard of living for the "unwashed masses."

He lives in a bubble in which there are jobs for everyone and systemic racism no longer exists.

We passed a homeless person begging on the street. he noticed that the homeless person had a bicycle. So he declared her a fraud.
 
Apathia said:
A friend of mine insists that "Trickle Down" has been a economic success and raised people out of poverty. According to him, Reaganomics has given the Middle Class and even the poor, Refrigerators, Air Conditioning, TVs (yep TVs), and Cellphones. As he continues to see it, minimizing taxes on the wealthy and holding down minimum wages creates a better standard of living for the "unwashed masses."

He lives in a bubble in which there are jobs for everyone and systemic racism no longer exists.

We passed a homeless person begging on the street. he noticed that the homeless person had a bicycle. So he declared her a fraud.
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How does he explain countries that didn't do that by have those things?
 
BobTheCoward said:
How does he explain countries that didn't do that by have those things?
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When it comes to any talk about the standard of living in other countries, he always says, "Irrelevant. We do it the American Way. We are a free country with no Socialism."
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I assume your question was a subtle attempt to point out a Membership Agreement violation.
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I think it was quite direct, nothing subtle about it.

However, as long as I've been here, the mods have never acted as if this is how they interpret the MA.
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Nor I. I just think it's a poor excuse to insult members of this forum.

If you have a problem with enforcement, take it up with them.
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I had a problem with a statement made by a member, and I took it up with him.
 
Apathia said:
A friend of mine always makes the point that it's obvious "Trickle Down" works.
Every home can now afford such luxuries as air conditioning, TV, and a refrigerator.
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That is the result of multiple journeys by myriad enterprises down the learning curve. Long-run costs and prices approach minima via iterative optimization. Normal outcome, to be expected. Zero to do with supply side voodoo.


ETA: In fact, your friend's comment is validation of the role of knowledge and knowledge management in lifting all boats over time, across history. Not a popular perspective among tax dodgers and "I-did-it-all-myself" libertarians.
 
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Stacko said:
They're all lies of delusional self aggrandizement. That some may work as cons is tangential to the purpose of the lie.
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I agree, these aren't strategic lies, they aren't lies to facilitate anything they are simply his character.
 
Tero said:
Senators printing dollars in three 8 hour shifts in Capitol basement to pay for trump tax cuts. Exhausted senators setting up cots for naps when the printing machines do not need any monitoring.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/16/trump-tax-plan-deficits-243759
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Mulvaney responded in kind during an interview last week, accusing Corker of “ignoring reality.”

“Macroeconomic changes will always lead to change in the larger economy, okay?” he said. “You raise a tax, it has impact. You lower tax, it has impact. It just does.”
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When you do stuff, other stuff happens. It's brilliant!
 
A guide to Trump's lies about taxes:
Modern conservatives have been lying about taxes pretty much from the beginning of their movement. Made-up sob stories about family farms broken up to pay inheritance taxes, magical claims about self-financing tax cuts, and so on go all the way back to the 1970s. But the selling of tax cuts under Trump has taken things to a whole new level, both in terms of the brazenness of the lies and their sheer number. Both the depth and the breadth of the dishonesty make it hard even for those of us who do this for a living to keep track.

In fact, when I set out to make a list of the bigger lies, I thought there would be six or seven, and was surprised to come up with ten.
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https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies/
 
Bob001 said:
A guide to Trump's lies about taxes:
https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2017/10/14/lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies-lies/
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He just can't stop himself from lying:

President Trump on Monday again claimed in a press conference that the United States is the “highest taxed country in the world."

“We don’t have a vote from the Democrats. As an example — massive tax cuts,” Trump said in an impromptu press conference in the White House Rose Garden. “We may not get any Democrat votes. Now, we also may get three or four but we may get no [Democrats] — for massive tax cuts.”

“We’re the highest taxed county in the world, and yet we may get no Democrat support,” Trump continued.

Trump has continually repeated the claim, which has been proven false by several independent analyses.

A 2015 analysis by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development shows the U.S. behind countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany and France in regards to taxes.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...m-that-us-is-the-highest-taxed-country-in-the

I think few Americans realize how low their taxes are in comparison to other large developed western nations. Imagine if someone suggested a federal VAT (or sales tax) at 20-25% on most goods or perhaps jacking up the taxes on gas to 2.62$ per gallon.

Oh and corporations don't pay a lot of taxes either in fact the US is very close to average (even-though there's a wide difference in the tax burden between different industries and sectors in the US)
 
Hlafordlaes said:
That is the result of multiple journeys by myriad enterprises down the learning curve. Long-run costs and prices approach minima via iterative optimization. Normal outcome, to be expected. Zero to do with supply side voodoo.


ETA: In fact, your friend's comment is validation of the role of knowledge and knowledge management in lifting all boats over time, across history. Not a popular perspective among tax dodgers and "I-did-it-all-myself" libertarians.
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I attempted to tell him this a few years back. But Libertarianism is his gospel.
"I-did-it-all-myself" is his "moral" compass. So, as millions of Americans, he'll never get it that he's being shafted.
 
Arcade22 said:
He just can't stop himself from lying:


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President Trump on Monday again claimed in a press conference that the United States is the “highest taxed country in the world."

“We don’t have a vote from the Democrats. As an example — massive tax cuts,” Trump said in an impromptu press conference in the White House Rose Garden. “We may not get any Democrat votes. Now, we also may get three or four but we may get no [Democrats] — for massive tax cuts.”

“We’re the highest taxed county in the world, and yet we may get no Democrat support,” Trump continued.

Trump has continually repeated the claim, which has been proven false by several independent analyses.

A 2015 analysis by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development shows the U.S. behind countries such as the United Kingdom, Germany and France in regards to taxes.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...m-that-us-is-the-highest-taxed-country-in-the

I think few Americans realize how low their taxes are in comparison to other large developed western nations. Imagine if someone suggested a federal VAT (or sales tax) at 20-25% on most goods or perhaps jacking up the taxes on gas to 2.62$ per gallon.

Oh and corporations don't pay a lot of taxes either in fact the US is very close to average (even-though there's a wide difference in the tax burden between different industries and sectors in the US)
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Yes but I just realized what he really means!
He said "the highest taxed country in the world", not "the highest TAX RATE"!

If you look at TOTAL TAX REVENUE by country you will see the the USA collects WAY MORE taxes than any other country in the world!!!!
(just reset the table to show total tax revenue in US dollars)

In his mind he is NOT lying, just telling it like it is!

Never mind that this makes no sense as far as economics, he saw it on the chart!

Its just like with the nuclear weapons. The chart he saw showed we have way fewer than we used to, why shouldn't we have MORE??!
 
President Trump once joked that Vice President Mike Pence “wants to hang” all gay people, The New Yorker reported Monday.

The publication also reports that Trump has mocked Pence for his views opposing abortion and LGBTQ rights.

Trump jabbed at Pence after a legal scholar told the pair that if the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, many states would probably legalize abortion.

“You see?” Trump reportedly said to Pence. “You’ve wasted all this time and energy on it, and it’s not going to end abortion anyway.”

And when the meeting began to focus on gay rights, Trump reportedly pointed to Pence, joking, “Don’t ask that guy — he wants to hang them all!”

One Trump campaign staffer also told The New Yorker that Trump used to ask people leaving meetings with Pence, “Did Mike make you pray?"

One source said the president likes to "let Pence know who's boss," according to the report.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...hat-pence-wants-to-hang-all-gay-people-report

Fake news! Trump who loves Christians (aka White Conservative Evangelicals) and is beloved by them in return would never ever make fun out of Pence's religiosity!
 
Just heard Trump's bizarre news conference with McConell.....
My god, the man sounds more and more like Captain Queeg every day.....
 
Fast Eddie B said:
His unfounded assertion that prior presidents did not call the families of fallen soldiers is an especially repugnant lie.
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I watch a bunch of "let's play" videos from a particular company. In a recent video, an ongoing joke was all the things the Egyptians invented (e.g. "Did you know the Egyptians invented snakes?")

That's pretty much Trump... about himself.

"Did you know I invented the word 'fake'?"
"Did you know I invented calling the families of fallen soldiers?"
"Did you know I invented America?"
 
Fast Eddie B said:
His unfounded assertion that prior presidents did not call the families of fallen soldiers is an especially repugnant lie.
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Trump is losing his skill as a con man.Good Con Men don't tell lies so easily disproven.
The one about Obama has already been torn to shreds
 
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Who is this 37% who approves of him? How can that large of a minority of the country be that stupid? It's still a minority but what the hell?
 
Craig4 said:
Who is this 37% who approves of him? How can that large of a minority of the country be that stupid? It's still a minority but what the hell?
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Nothing he says and nothing he does matters to them. He is Republican. That is the only thing that matters. There's no shortage of people posting on this forum who make that combination of rigidity and blindness abundantly clear.
 
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Molinaro said:
Nothing he says and nothing he does matters to them. He is Republican. That is the only thing that matters. There's no shortage of people posting on this forum who make that combination of rigidity and blindness abundantly clear.
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To be fair, his comment on past presidents not honroring the dead has drawn a pretty heated reaction from Dubya as well as Obama.
 
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