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19th October 2017, 12:16 AM | #241 |
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Yaayy! We have government again!!
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Assuming the Greens agree to it after their meeting presumably
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So what will Peters get? Deputy PM?
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19th October 2017, 02:08 AM | #244 |
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My guess is that like all election promises, they'll be quietly forgotten.
Interesting fact: despite Labour's intended water tax, their highest increase in votes was in rural/regional areas, while the liberals of Auckland grew the blue vote. He's been offered it, but whether he takes it or not is up in the air. I expect he will, but he's also saying he has a range of Cabinet positions open, so may stick with that. He was pretty useful at Foreign Affairs in the past, and after many years of the fat slug, Gerry Brownlee, our international friends would be glad to see him. |
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Indeed.
My bro-in-law is a cocky down the coast. In the last five or six years he has spent over $45,000 (plus paid time for his farm manager) doing riperian planting of his waterways and streams, and he refrained from using those paddocks and areas that he hadn't done yet. The idea of a water tax to him was an insult, so he has now stopped planting, and will wait until he hears what is going to happen with this new government. When I spoke to him this morning, he said words to the effect... "**** 'em!. If they are going to charge me for my own water, then they can arrange for the plantings themselves, and pay for it out of the money they steal from me". I can't say I disagree with this sentiment. |
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From the information I was given, unless he has a irrigation scheme or a direct take from rivers, which he's had to get council approval for, his bill would be $0.00, and even those that are using irrigators won't be facing the bills that National and others claimed. I have direct from David Parker that the royalty will be 1-2 cents per meter cubed (i.e. 1,000 litres.) I worked out some time back that to be getting the massive bills of $60,000+ a year that was being claimed, farmers would have to be using the equivalent of 25 fire trucks at full pump 24/7 for the entire year, and if I recall right, I was working that at 10c not 1-2c.
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That's what you get when an announcement like that is handled so badly. Announcing that farmers were gong to pay a water tax, without giving any figures or details, and then insulting their intelligence by saying they would sort out the details after the election, was a very stupid thing to do. Politicians were asking for trust when they had done nothing to deserve it. Politicians have a really bad record in this country of *********** over New Zealand's primary producers.
PW, I don't know how old you are but do you remember when the Electricity industry was reformed? The government of the day (National IIRC because it was Max Bradford who did all the damage) guaranteed the New Zealand public that they would never sell the infrastructure. This guarantee came in the form of a deal they called "A Contract Carved in Stone". We'll it was actually written on dunny paper and was flushed down the bog pretty quickly. We ended up with dozens of line companies, some of whom extort their customers ruthlessly.... http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/8464...-challenge-tlc |
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I well remember it. I also remember that there was an advert by one of the generation companies (I think Contact) telling us how they were so much more efficient now and were producing power at 4% less cost, all the while putting up the prices almost monthly.
I also agree that they should have come out and given the 1-2c figure at the time, even if they noted that they hadn't determined exactly where that would be between the two. It gave their opponents a lot of ability to attack them whereas had they put it out there at the time, they'd have stopped a lot of speculation and damage. That I actually had to write to the party to get some details was a stupid move on their part. |
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Yep, my power bills more that doubled in six years despite the fact that I used about 20% less kWh over the same period. Electricity charges in NZ are a rort.
I reckon its a dead duck now anyway. Winston has almost certainly killed the irrigation charges side of it, but will be happy to continue with the idea of charging exporting water bottlers. |
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At least they are selling the water back to NZer's and creating tax in the process. But then again, at the rates they are talking, Coca Cola wouldn't even notice it. Assuming every NZer drank a 2.5 litre of Coke Product a day, at a 10c royalty, that'd cost Coke $400,000. They just dropped $3 Billion on a advertising campaign because profits were down a few percent last quarter, less than half a million is chump change to them and NZers don't drink anywhere near that amount of their products.
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[quote=cullennz;12040815]While I agree Brownlee was a bit of a waste of space, your opinion of McCully is obviously highlighting the open irrational hatred of anything the last govt did.
You will be saying English killed babies next/QUOTE] Sour grapes much? As it happens, I rate English as a fairly reasonable bloke, despite being a Catholic and accordingly tainted with their perverted world view. He was a perfectly ok Finance Minister. McCully is a clown, and has always been a clown. I've posted on many occasions grudging respect for actions National took. Your idea of what "irrational" means isn't what everyone else knows it means. |
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Oh yeah, National Party - how about a little* salt to rub on those wounds?
*Depending on how little salt $600k buys. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11936632 |
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LOL This reminds me of the time that tone deaf judges ruled that Men at Work's song "Down Under" (the flute sequence) plagiarized the children's song "Kookaburra sits on the old gum tree". The two tunes had nothing in common (and I have perfect pitch so I would know).
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They covered their arse though
The distributer will end up paying I like the way they apparently actually built the ad around the song and just replaced it with the rip off Lol Sent from my SM-J500Y using Tapatalk |
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WaPo covering the outcome of the election is busily explaining to its readers about the far-right takeover of New Zealand.
A new career in Tui billboards is on the cards. Some of the better reaction to it: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/n...ectid=11943158 |
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The writer actually trained and studied in New Zealand, the trouble is that he is so far leftwing that anything beyond the Greens looks like it's far right.
The main issue is Immigration. What the Author seems to fail to understand is that National's immigration policy was unsustainable. We were bringing 70,000 people a year into the country, the size of one of our medium cities! This is like adding a New Plymouth, Palmerston North, Nelson, Rotorua, or Whangarei to the country every singe year! We can't build fast enough, we can't create jobs fast enough, and our infrastructures, including things like schools and hospitals, can't handle it. Worse most of them are staying in Auckland causing massive issues with overpopulation and crowding. It's one of the main reasons that the average house price in Auckland hit a million dollars! National wanted it because it helped to keep our "rockstar" GDP up, especially as the Christchurch rebuild starts to wind down, but the fact is that if we keep up that sort of immigration, the country is going to collapse on itself because we can't support that number of people arriving here every year, something had to give. NZ First and Labour recognise this and realise that we need to stop the flood gate that National opened and treat immigration sensibly so that we can make sure that those coming in can get houses and jobs, and so can New Zealanders who were born here! It's not about being Nationalistic or anti-immigrant, it's about making sure that the weight of people in the country doesn't sink us because we can't handle it, something that would make things worse for all of us. |
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Yes indeed.
John Key is a criminal currency front runner. What he did for account personal is illegal but hard to prove to criminal standard. He has deliberately destroyed the aspirations of Auckland youth. Why Sir John? |
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You're right about one thing.
Key probably would have won it for them. But then Clark probably would have won in Arderns position without the need for Winston with English given she was getting 16% more votes than Ardern But then it is all coulda shoulda woulda, and an utterly pointless argument. Sent from my SM-J500Y using Tapatalk |
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Bill English resigns - who will take his place?
National's choices seem to be: Admit to being Republican-lite and pick Crusher Collins. (Jaysus, Samson will be gutted if that happens!) Admit to being clueless and pick Simon Bridges - yet another Young Turk. Admit Labour is right in having a young female leader and pick Nikki Kaye. Admit the dildo was hilarious and pick Steven Joyce. Something else? I think it's Crusher, simply on the basis she's the toughest person there. |
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Looks like Bridges is favourite.
Swapping Billy for a younger version won't cut it. Crusher will wait... (I have to admire her political skills, much as I find her 100% detestable as a human being) |
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