Merged Obama birth certificate CT / SSN CT / Birther discussion Part II

Hans said:
One uses Wiki as a start because sometimes - as in this case - it has a good selection of detailed professional sources - I mean why don't you look at sources critically THEN hand wave them away?
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Saves time. ;)

Actually Ann Dunham's wiki page reads like possible typical agency profiles. She and both her husbands. African, and Indonesian. Russian language student. Oil industry surveyor. Good covers. Granpa Dunham welcoming russian language student at Hickam Air Force base Honolulu. As a missionary. Of course.

A friend of mine studying in Italy in 80s was approached and offered a job observing and taking notes and pics. No secret they are everywhere. My friend declined, he says. I knew a guy retired in 1990 or so from Shell. Engineer. Mid east, Asia. He said most every petro station near political hotspots had at least one spook. No brainer. Connections>(like skull & bones or similar)>wall street>petro>govt agency. Isnt that how you'd do it?

Left leaning? Not cold war granpa. Madsen's points applied to Gramps and Mom make more sense than applied to grandson. 'CIA family' doesnt mean grandson has to be a spook. That dont mean grandson was not in the loop. Especially earlier. Maybe he was involved. Maybe socialist leaning is a somehow useful part of today's agency. All this in the hypothetical model mind you. Theory. Madsen's material re gramps & mom seems plausible IMO.
 
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Bubba said:
What was that motive, pray tell?
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This, as if you had actually forgotten.

Bubba said:
Dont you think it is useful to know who writes such childish nonsense, for future reference? I think it is useful to know. specially where it is false. That reveals a character willfully indulging dishonestly in abusive slander.
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Stop wriggling, admit you were wrong and apologise.
 
Bubba said:
Potentially problematic health disorders could be revealed by DNA testing. Part of medical vetting, which I've advocated for years. People should know much much more about candidates.


My DNA remark was about vetting future candidates, plural.
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Did I ever get back to you about acceptable means of candidates birth certification?
If not, I'd say the usual ie BC etc.

Maybe one day later DNA test too.
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No, it wasn't. You just can't punctuate correctly.
What you should have posted was either "candidate's" (singular possessive), or "candidates' " (plural possessive). What you actually posted was grammatically incorrect. I didn't point it out because I was being forgiving, and focussing more on your message. However, if you are going to try to be pedantic with me, then so be it.
You are doubly wrong. Grammatically wrong, and also wrong for falsely accusing me of slander etc.
Apologise.

Bubba said:
I called for future candidates to be DNA tested, maybe.
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A minor detail. How would testing any future candidate establish whether or not they were born in America?
Apologise.
 
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Saves time. ;)

Actually Ann Dunham's wiki page reads like possible typical agency profiles. She and both her husbands. African, and Indonesian. Russian language student. Oil industry surveyor. Good covers. Granpa Dunham welcoming russian language student at Hickam Air Force base Honolulu. As a missionary. Of course.

A friend of mine studying in Italy in 80s was approached and offered a job observing and taking notes and pics. No secret they are everywhere. My friend declined, he says. I knew a guy retired in 1990 or so from Shell. Engineer. Mid east, Asia. He said most every petro station near political hotspots had at least one spook. No brainer. Connections>(like skull & bones or similar)>wall street>petro>govt agency. Isnt that how you'd do it?

Left leaning? Not cold war granpa. Madsen's points applied to Gramps and Mom make more sense than applied to grandson. 'CIA family' doesnt mean grandson has to be a spook. That dont mean grandson was not in the loop. Especially earlier. Maybe he was involved. Maybe socialist leaning is a somehow useful part of today's agency. All this in the hypothetical model mind you. Theory. Madsen's material re gramps & mom seems plausible IMO.
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A. Exactly what expertise do you have in "agency profiles"? Were it so easy as you pretend, no spy could function anywhere, ever.

B. Anecdotes are not evidence, and a spook in every gas station, that is risible.

C. So the CIA planned to have Obama elected as far back as two generations because "reasons".

Pull the middle one.
 
Bubba said:
Congrats on escaping that mind control system.


Please explain how you determined: "demonstrably stupid...tall tales about CIA operatives" (re obama family).

It would be good to know there was one less leader/case like that.
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There you go again, wallowing in window dressing. “But! But! CIA!”

If you insist in trying to excuse your past gullibility then start by giving me some reliable sources for those claims. PrisonPlanet, WND, and Infowars are not reliable sources. There at the modern equivalents of the sadly defunct Weekly World News. They are slightly less entertainingly written that their predecessor and as a result more plausible to idiots. #PizzaGate is today’s BatBoy.
 
abaddon said:
So the CIA planned to have Obama elected as far back as two generations because "reasons".
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I cannot think of viable one and since his presidency is in the past.....wait maybe he was made president to usher in Trump......we could really make this complicated....lol
 
halleyscomet said:
There you go again, wallowing in window dressing. “But! But! CIA!”

If you insist in trying to excuse your past gullibility then start by giving me some reliable sources for those claims. PrisonPlanet, WND, and Infowars are not reliable sources. There at the modern equivalents of the sadly defunct Weekly World News. They are slightly less entertainingly written that their predecessor and as a result more plausible to idiots. #PizzaGate is today’s BatBoy.
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If you recall, I said it was Wayne Madsen's material (not infowars) that was pasted on the infowars page.

Good luck finding your 'reliable sources' writing like Madsen.
 
abaddon said:
A. Exactly what expertise do you have in "agency profiles"? Were it so easy as you pretend, no spy could function anywhere, ever.

B. Anecdotes are not evidence, and a spook in every gas station, that is risible.

C. So the CIA planned to have Obama elected as far back as two generations because "reasons".

Pull the middle one.
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How agents go undercover is public info. Not to mention common sense. Certain jobs are known to make good covers.

B & C are straw. Attempting to put words where none were spoken. Again.

Please try playing it straight. For a change.
 
Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Do you remember Bubba saying he wanted Obama to undergo a DNA test to prove he was American? That made me chuckle.
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:boggled:

by Cosmic Yak
How would testing any future candidate establish whether or not they were born in America?
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:boggled:



Apologise.
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Originally Posted by abaddon View Post

Pull the middle one.
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In this obama thread I thought you'd be calling me a racist by now as you called me a pedophile in that other thread.

Dont disappoint. Now's yer chance.
 
Bubba said:
In this obama thread I thought you'd be calling me a racist by now as you called me a pedophile in that other thread.

Dont disappoint. Now's yer chance.
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If it floats your boat, you can call yourself whatever you want. I think the origin of the nonsensical birtherism farce is racist, but the motivation of the thoughtless dupes of it is anyone's guess.
 
KDLarsen said:
.. But wait, it gets better. Apparently the Cold Cuts Posse is now working on the theory that Obama is actually Saudi, that he "didn't exist" in the US until age 5, and that Russia was involved in making sure he was made president.
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I can't decide if highlighted is hilarious or harsher in hindsight :boxedin:
 
I saw the Cold Cuts Posse open up for Kool Moe Dee back in ‘88.


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Bubba said:
If you recall, I said it was Wayne Madsen's material (not infowars) that was pasted on the infowars page.



Good luck finding your 'reliable sources' writing like Madsen.
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So your “source” is the conspiracy theorist who created the “Obama is gay” conspiracy theory. But you like his writing style, so for you that translated into credibility. That’s really sad.

Do you realize all you’ve done is brag about who the musician was that played you like a fiddle? His “sources” ranged from crap to flat out made up. His book is the perfect example of the stage magician grade misdirection used to sway the gullible. He belongs on conspiracy theorist sites because his theories require #PizzaGate level imagination and tall tales.

I’m really disappointed in you. I’d hoped someone so desperate to prove he wasn’t played like a fiddle would do better. Sad. Really sad.

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Bubba said:
In this obama thread I thought you'd be calling me a racist by now as you called me a pedophile in that other thread.

Dont disappoint. Now's yer chance.
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Supporting the Birther theory, or trying to make excuses for past support, is a bit like attending a scat and watersports orgy. No mater how careful you are, or how much you try to dance around your attendance, sooner or later you’re going to get some piss and **** on you.
 
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The Dunhams were not missionaries. They were white collar workers, he was in the furniture industry, she worked her way up from bank clerk to bank vice president. When did they have the time to be international CIA operatives?
 
Bubba said:
Actually Ann Dunham's wiki page reads like possible typical agency profiles. She and both her husbands. African, and Indonesian. Russian language student. Oil industry surveyor. Good covers. Granpa Dunham welcoming russian language student at Hickam Air Force base Honolulu. As a missionary. Of course.
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Arisia said:
The Dunhams were not missionaries. They were white collar workers, he was in the furniture industry, she worked her way up from bank clerk to bank vice president. When did they have the time to be international CIA operatives?
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Right. I saw that story too.
 
Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Do you remember Bubba saying he wanted Obama to undergo a DNA test to prove he was American? That made me chuckle.
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Aaaww...I'll forgive you for slandering me, for a chuckle.
 
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Bubba said:
Aaaww...I'll forgive you for slandering me, for a chuckle.
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For the record, I have already apologised for making an incorrect assumption about your editing of a post, and also offered to apologise if I had been wrong about what you said. I do not consider my depiction of your post as sufficienlty incorrect to need further apology.
You have responded with mockery and a succession of laughing dogs to my request for you to accord me the same courtesy in your clearly false and personally insulting characterisation of my motives and character.
It is clear you are unrepentant, and I have no further interest in flogging this dead horse. I think it is clear for all to see who has come out of this cleaner.
 
tinribmancer said:
Why am I not surprised that Bubba has deceided to find out whether the Birther Clownshoes would fit him... :rolleyes:

Also, why is this still a thing? Obama isn't even president anymore!
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I think in this case it was more about Bubba trying to justify past support of the Birther nonsense. He seemed to be trying to argue that there was a point where it would have been a valid theory to believe in. There wasn't. It was demonstrable stupidity from the get-go. I suspect that may be why he's left the thread. I doubt we're going to get an explicit concession that he was duped by media characters trying to sell eyeballs to advertisers, but I'm inclined to let him keep his dignity by letting him exit the thread quietly. I'm not going to rub his nose in his past folly unless he fires up a fresh round of excuses to try and justify it.
 
halleyscomet said:
I think in this case it was more about Bubba trying to justify past support of the Birther nonsense. He seemed to be trying to argue that there was a point where it would have been a valid theory to believe in. There wasn't. It was demonstrable stupidity from the get-go. I suspect that may be why he's left the thread. I doubt we're going to get an explicit concession that he was duped by media characters trying to sell eyeballs to advertisers, but I'm inclined to let him keep his dignity by letting him exit the thread quietly. I'm not going to rub his nose in his past folly unless he fires up a fresh round of excuses to try and justify it.
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I find it amusing trying to image the mind set of a group of conspirators back in that day. Hatching the Rube Goldberg 'scheme' that moderns tried to 'sell' to people. It is especially lubricious as we know old 'communist muslim' Obama didn't actually destroy the USA.
 
Recalling this episode began unintentionally under a different topic where I asked if a member "instantly knew" the birth certificate issue was nonsense, back in the day. I asked because someone said they "instantly knew" that other topic was nonsense. Besides, Madsen's cia connection actually seems more interesting than the birth question.
 
Hans said:
I find it amusing trying to image the mind set of a group of conspirators back in that day. Hatching the Rube Goldberg 'scheme' that moderns tried to 'sell' to people. It is especially lubricious as we know old 'communist muslim' Obama didn't actually destroy the USA.
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Are you sure he didn't? Are you sure he hasn't planted some illuminati timebomb in the fabric of history? You once again are making the terrible error of applying rational thought to the batguano craziness. I am willing to bet that there are still people today hoarding ammunition because they were told ten years ago that Obama was going to take it away.
 
Arisia said:
The Dunhams were not missionaries. They were white collar workers, he was in the furniture industry, she worked her way up from bank clerk to bank vice president. When did they have the time to be international CIA operatives?
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International or not, CIA operatives often need to have cover stories. I think we can know that the Dunhams were in those jobs you mention. How do we know they were not operatives? Taxpayers pay plenty for experts keeping such things secret.
 
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Bubba said:
Recalling this episode began unintentionally under a different topic where I asked if a member "instantly knew" the birth certificate issue was nonsense, back in the day.
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I instantly knew the BC claims were nonsense. Layers in a PDF1.3 document? Obvious bollocks. I demonstrated those claims to be utter bollocks in this thread and it's predecessors. How do I know that it was bollocks? Because of subject matter training and over thirty years experience. And the Adobe PDF language reference manual specifically does not support layers in any way shape or form. Layers simply do not exist in PDF13, no way and no how, ever.

But, hey, why let mere facts get in the way of the crankery du jour, right?
 
Bubba said:
International or not, CIA operatives often need to have cover stories. I think we can know that the Dunhams were in those jobs you mention. How do we know they were not operatives? Taxpayers pay plenty for experts keeping such things secret.
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Prove that YOU are not a CIA operative. Go right ahead.
 
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