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Old 5th November 2017, 05:35 PM   #1
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CIA Releases Nearly 470,000 Additional Files on Usama Bin

This CIA press release of November 1st links to "470,000 Additional Files Recovered in May 2011 Raid on Usama Bin Ladinís Compound", as well as to documents previously released:

https://www.cia.gov/news-information...ound-raid.html

Unfortunately, the new link is currently down due to a technical issue, and apparently has already been since thursday. Will hopefully be online soon.

I have seen news media items on this. Nothing spectacular: OBL apparently had a copy Loose Change on computer storage, liked to watch western entertainment DVD's (Tom&Jerry...). Unfortunately, his collection of porn (yes, really!) seems not to be included in this release.
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Old 5th November 2017, 07:04 PM   #2
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I like to think he spent his final years doing battle on internet comment fields against 9-11 Truthers who thought Bush did it.

Link is working.
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Old 5th November 2017, 07:43 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
I like to think he spent his final years doing battle on internet comment fields against 9-11 Truthers who thought Bush did it.

Link is working.
The link to the press release that I posted is fine. But the link within the press release to the new documents gives me a note indicating a tech problem, and then redirects to CIA start page.
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Old 5th November 2017, 07:44 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
This CIA press release of November 1st links to "470,000 Additional Files Recovered in May 2011 Raid on Usama Bin Ladinís Compound", as well as to documents previously released:

https://www.cia.gov/news-information...ound-raid.html

Unfortunately, the new link is currently down due to a technical issue, and apparently has already been since thursday. Will hopefully be online soon.

I have seen news media items on this. Nothing spectacular: OBL apparently had a copy Loose Change on computer storage, liked to watch western entertainment DVD's (Tom&Jerry...). Unfortunately, his collection of porn (yes, really!) seems not to be included in this release.


Is there any mention in those nearly 470,000 files as to how we should spell his name?
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Old 5th November 2017, 07:54 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by JohnG View Post
Is there any mention in those nearly 470,000 files as to how we should spell his name?

That one's easy. You don't need the CIA's help.

It's "".أسامة بن محمد بن عوض بن لادن
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Old 5th November 2017, 09:37 PM   #6
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Old 6th November 2017, 02:38 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by JohnG View Post
Oh, you!



Point being, the question being asked is more properly "How should we spell his name in English?", and there really isn't a "right" answer ... because his name isn't English or any other language with recently common roots. The alphabet just doesn't contain the right representations.

So any spelling is necessarily an attempt at a phonetic rendition, which will depend not only on the dialect of Arabic being rendered but also on the dialect of English (or whatever) it is being rendered into, and the dialect of whoever is doing the rendering.

Some attempts may (or may not) be closer than others, but without rendering it in its native Arabic script it isn't ever going to be exactly right.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
The link to the press release that I posted is fine. But the link within the press release to the new documents gives me a note indicating a tech problem, and then redirects to CIA start page.
That is still the case as of 0605 CST 6 Nov 17.
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Old 6th November 2017, 12:23 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
The link to the press release that I posted is fine. But the link within the press release to the new documents gives me a note indicating a tech problem, and then redirects to CIA start page.
Link is still out, but check out the CIA Kid's Page if you're bored.
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Old 6th November 2017, 04:03 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by JohnG View Post
Is there any mention in those nearly 470,000 files as to how we should spell his name?
Tim Osman
http://humansarefree.com/2011/05/pro...s-cia-and.html
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Old 6th November 2017, 04:06 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Wow, your spelling is horrible..............
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Old 6th November 2017, 08:07 PM   #12
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Ah yes
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
Spreading lies, inspiring terrorists like the boston bombers, 9/11 truth. Falling for lies, unable to comprehend reality; a required trait for 9/11 truth nuts like the one who you found with the Tim Osman BS. Good job.

Wow, an idiot says UBL is Tim Osman, you find the biggest idiots of 9/11 truth; that is a skill, good job exposing ignorance, lies and delusional claims. You might be the debunker of the month with this find. What year was that?

What else can you debunk?

It is true, Truth, like the sun, allows itself to be obscured;
but, like the sun, only for a time __Bovee - and 9/11 truth is in a universe of eternal darkness, the pit of ignorance where the sun never shines, and does not exist. There is no truth in 9/11 truth, a NAZI like name for liars, also, a name out of the novel "1984". 911 truth, a movement of eternal lies.

9/11 truth, a movement stillborn on 9/11.

UBL, made a big mistake helping inspire nuts who are slightly smarter than 9/11 truth believers.
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Originally Posted by Fonebone View Post
This kind of bilge always makes me chuckle. It can only be asserted by people who have no understanding whatsoever of the world outside their bedrooms.
Osama Bin Laden came from a prominent Saudi family. He didn't just appear in a flash of green smoke some time in the 1980s. Many, many people knew him and interacted with him, long before historically illiterate CT-ists had ever heard of him. Many of those people are still alive. Strangely, no-one in the Bin Laden family has come forward to say "there never was an Osama, we don't know who he was." This is possibly because they knew him, being from his family and all.
Goodness me.
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Fonebone, you do realize that the guy who came up with "Tim Osman/Osama Bin Laden" also claimed that the Alfred P. Murrah federal building was destroyed by an energy weapon?
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Fonebone, you do realize that the guy who came up with "Tim Osman/Osama Bin Laden" also claimed that the Alfred P. Murrah federal building was destroyed by an energy weapon?

It could be said that, in the final analysis, a truckload of explosives might be described as an energy weapon, since it certainly involves the release of a lot of energy.



But I expect that this is not what he (or you) were referring to by that term.

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Fonebone, you do realize that the guy who came up with "Tim Osman/Osama Bin Laden" also claimed that the Alfred P. Murrah federal building was destroyed by an energy weapon?
Debunk of a hit and run post.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
This CIA press release of November 1st links to "470,000 Additional Files Recovered in May 2011 Raid on Usama Bin Ladinís Compound", as well as to documents previously released:

https://www.cia.gov/news-information...ound-raid.html

Unfortunately, the new link is currently down due to a technical issue, and apparently has already been since thursday. Will hopefully be online soon.
Ahhh the material is back online!

They posted these explanations:
Originally Posted by CIA
CIA resolved the technical issues associated with the 1 November 2017 posting of the Abbottabad compound material, removing operating system and other copyrighted files as well as files that potentially posed a risk to users. CIA also converted Microsoft Office files into Portable Document Format (PDF) to enable viewing of the material from any device and to minimize any risks to users, and converted executable files (files that run programs on a computer) to a format that no longer poses a risk to users.

For all removed files, the original filename is listed in a glossary to allow users to trace the disposition of the file and to understand the specific reason for the file's removal or conversion.

All converted files are available by original filename in the Converted Material section.
And also
Originally Posted by CIA
Out of an abundance of caution we took the site down to resolve technical issues associated with the initial posting Ė and to remove additional detected malware Ė but we cannot guarantee that all malware has been removed.
The entire collection of files apparently is 258 GB in a zip-File, although they have also indexed individual files.
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Ahhh the material is back online!

They posted these explanations:

And also


The entire collection of files apparently is 258 GB in a zip-File, although they have also indexed individual files.
"We're posting a bunch of stuff off Usama bin Laden's computer, and it has malware. Whoda thunk it. "
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Debunk of a hit and run post.
fonebone displaying textbook CT behaviour.
Make a wild claim, refuse to back it up, then run away.
He'll probably be back in a month or two to accuse us all of being brainwashed sheeple for not swallowing this unevidenced bilge whole.
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I've had a quick look and it seems the most important papers still haven't been released. That is the ones that show that Bin Laden was Obama's brother and how Obama protected him and the papers that document how Trump fired the shot that killed him*.



*I mean killed Bin Laden, although I suspect Trump would have preferred for it to have been Obama.
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I've had a quick look and it seems the most important papers still haven't been released. That is the ones that show that Bin Laden was Obama's brother and how Obama protected him and the papers that document how Trump fired the shot that killed him*.



*I mean killed Bin Laden, although I suspect Trump would have preferred for it to have been Obama.
Well, I do remember that some time in 2008, I drove by a yard sign that I initially thought read "Osama bin Laden", but when I looked again it said "Obama Biden". Coincidence? I think not.
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Point being, the question being asked is more properly "How should we spell his name in English?", and there really isn't a "right" answer ... because his name isn't English or any other language with recently common roots. The alphabet just doesn't contain the right representations.

So any spelling is necessarily an attempt at a phonetic rendition, which will depend not only on the dialect of Arabic being rendered but also on the dialect of English (or whatever) it is being rendered into, and the dialect of whoever is doing the rendering.

Some attempts may (or may not) be closer than others, but without rendering it in its native Arabic script it isn't ever going to be exactly right.
There doesn't really seem to be a standard (or more likely there are two or more competing standards) for transcribing Arabic into English. E.g. Osama or Usama? Koran or Quran? I'm sure I could come up with a lot more.
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