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Old 27th November 2017, 12:03 PM   #1
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Help debunking Nazca lines linked with Angkor Wat

There is apparently somebody called Jim Allison who has produced maps of global rings which show all sorts of ancient places linked within a band of narrow width. My heart sinks! Could someone please help me find suitable rational information to counter thisstuff. The proposer of this is convinced of its veracity, but at least I must make sure that other readers do not think we all think that it is so.

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Old 27th November 2017, 12:11 PM   #2
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Got a link, Susan? I could do with a giggle.
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Old 27th November 2017, 12:15 PM   #3
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If I had the time and energy, I would try to calculate just how many potential lines there are. Our buddy Jim Alison (one 'L') says the following:

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Great circles are straight lines that go all the way around the center of the earth. The equator is a great circle. Meridians of longitude that cross over the north and south poles are also great circles. For every location on a great circle, it's antipodal location is also on the circle. Other than the equator itself, any great circle crosses the equator at two antipodal locations, 180 apart.
So that does limit things a teeny bit in that it has to really go all the way around the world - it can't be, like, a tiny ring five feet across. But still, picture it this way: if you pick any spot on the globe and draw the ring so that it goes through there, you can now slowly rotate that ring and every single tiny incremental adjustment makes a new ring. Then you can move to the next spot and do it again. (There would be a little overlap of course, but that's a minor thing.)

So we would have some absurdly large number of potential rings, and since we're not limiting our selection of relevant sites to any particular culture we have a very target rich environment. Also, remember that we don't need to name our targets ahead of time - we can just draw circles endlessly until one goes through a few places we've deemed interesting, even if there are thousands more sites that it misses. (In other words, remember the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.)

With all this in mind, OF COURSE he found a circle or two that cross through multiple ancient sites! It would be far stranger if he didn't!
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Old 27th November 2017, 12:16 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
Got a link, Susan? I could do with a giggle.
http://geolines.ru/eng/publications/...EODESY_39.html

This is what I found. I only skimmed it though.
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Old 27th November 2017, 12:17 PM   #5
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My thought would be that you could choose any similar band that crosses temperate and equatorial land masses and arrive at similar results.

In other words, it's something like a Texas sharpshooter fallacy: "Hmm, I found all these sites I'd like to link...if I can draw a line between them then..."

ETA: Doh! Ninja'ed.

But yeah, having seen the "methodology", you have a infinite number of bands to choose from, so I'd be MUCH more surprised if you couldn't link multiple sites on a band.

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Old 27th November 2017, 12:35 PM   #6
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I've forgotten what to click on to get all the multi-qquotes here!


Many thanks for the very helpful replies, much appreciated.

I'll send pm's to you with a link to my post on the forum concerned.
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Old 27th November 2017, 12:38 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by SusanB-M1 View Post
I've forgotten what to click on to get all the multi-qquotes here!
The little ["] button for the first ones, and the "Quote" button for the last one.
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Old 27th November 2017, 12:44 PM   #8
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Addendum to my previous post - if you want to show the absurdity of this, it would be easy to draw your own circles. The trick is, you don't want to do it with ancient sites because if you succeed that just reinforces their point. Instead, do it with something else. Waffle House locations. Sex toy factories. Google's data centers.
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Old 27th November 2017, 12:50 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by SOdhner View Post
Addendum to my previous post - if you want to show the absurdity of this, it would be easy to draw your own circles. The trick is, you don't want to do it with ancient sites because if you succeed that just reinforces their point. Instead, do it with something else. Waffle House locations. Sex toy factories. Google's data centers.
I was going to write almost exactly this, though I was going to say adult stores instead of sex toy factories.

Ninja'd by one as perverse as I.
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Old 27th November 2017, 01:10 PM   #10
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Many thanks for further posts!


I sent pms - hope they've arrived. Would you like links too, trebuchet?
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Old 27th November 2017, 01:13 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by SOdhner View Post
Addendum to my previous post - if you want to show the absurdity of this, it would be easy to draw your own circles. The trick is, you don't want to do it with ancient sites because if you succeed that just reinforces their point. Instead, do it with something else. Waffle House locations. Sex toy factories. Google's data centers.
Woolworths stores...

http://www.badscience.net/2010/01/vo...-the-ancients/
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Old 27th November 2017, 01:25 PM   #12
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Maybe KoTA will be along to 'splain it all to us.
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Old 27th November 2017, 04:13 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Woolworths stores...
Yep. It's just a trick where you note the hits and ignore the misses and magical shapes can be shown. I also see this ridiculous claim for hidden shapes in Shakespeare's Sonnets.
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Old 27th November 2017, 11:37 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by Matthew Ellard View Post
Yep. It's just a trick where you note the hits and ignore the misses and magical shapes can be shown. I also see this ridiculous claim for hidden shapes in Shakespeare's Sonnets.


Another thing that makes me wince is the term 'sacred geometry'. This too crops up at regular intervals on GH!
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Old 28th November 2017, 01:03 AM   #15
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That's the one I was thinking about myself as well.

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Originally Posted by SusanB-M1 View Post
There is apparently somebody called Jim Allison who has produced maps of global rings which show all sorts of ancient places linked within a band of narrow width. My heart sinks! Could someone please help me find suitable rational information to counter thisstuff. The proposer of this is convinced of its veracity, but at least I must make sure that other readers do not think we all think that it is so.

Thank you.
This is clearly impossible, as the Earth is flat.

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Old 28th November 2017, 05:03 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
This is clearly impossible, as the Earth is flat.

/end thread.


thank you!! that really made me laugh out loud!!! And of course, I should have thought of that - there's been so much on the forums about that recently!

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By the way. Global rings?

What about Local Rings?

(which is one weird spectacle if you see them).
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Old 28th November 2017, 04:53 PM   #19
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I remember reading that one needs to take a pretty expansive view of what constitutes "important" ancient places while ignoring quite a few others. It looks like he drew a circle connecting two points and then looked to see what else the line happened to cross. It's the definition of confirmation bias.
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thank you!! that really made me laugh out loud!!! And of course, I should have thought of that - there's been so much on the forums about that recently!
You're very welcome.

On a more serious note, though, it is interesting (at least to me) how rarely woo-merchants argue with each other, even though their ideas are clearly mutually exclusive.
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You're very welcome.

On a more serious note, though, it is interesting (at least to me) how rarely woo-merchants argue with each other, even though their ideas are clearly mutually exclusive.
Woosters of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your claims.
You support my ********, I'll support yours.

Anyway, they have to keep up a united front against those unscrupulous bastards who insist on unfairly bringing facts into the discussion.
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