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2nd December 2017, 01:34 PM | #321 |
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Not trying to prove the horizon with the referenced observation, just pointing out the invalidity of your assuming the Navy saying to use LOS with a 35 mile missile means the Navy thinks no horizon exists.
I didn't state that you did, I am stating why the missile is no example of what the Navy thinks about whether the horizon exists |
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An aside, whenever I see big bold font in a post I read it in Owen Meany's voice. Just sayin'...
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2nd December 2017, 01:45 PM | #326 |
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Well instead of just telling you, I'm enabling you to find out for yourself. Rather than Catch the Fish for you, I'm teaching you to Fish without me.
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2nd December 2017, 01:53 PM | #328 |
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Here we go again Did I CITE it? smh
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Here, try this... "The important point that Becher introduced is that the explanation of a natural phenomenon (i.e., model, theory) must be "TESTABLE" by "EXPERIMENTATION". In other words once a model is proposed as an explanation of a phenomenon, it can "ONLY" be considered a "SCIENTIFIC MODEL" if it can be objectively "TESTED BY EXPERIMENTATION." http://www.iun.edu/~cpanhd/C101webno...ic-method.html So essentially "You're" Equivocating Fallacy with the Term "model". regards |
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Fine, please prove this without simply reposting your link as if it is the one and only truth. Especially since you already totally ignored both my link to show that Air Pressure exists both compressed and unrestrained, and also showed you a video of unrestrained air pressure in action.
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You provided a source that you believe proved your point. That same source contradicts you
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If you spent as much time reading the text as you did formatting it you might get somewhere. That sentence quite nicely describes how to use models in the scientific method, here's the bit you didn't quote:
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Daniel,
Instead of winding yourself up with word salad that pretty much only means something to you, how about answering a few of the simpler questions? 1. What does the edge of the earth look like? Are photos available? Have you been there or seen it? Has anybody? 2. What prevents the flat earth from forming into a spheroid shape? Aren't all the other planets that we observe spheroid shapes? Have any of them been observed to be flat? 3. Where is this container you keep talking about? Do you have pictures of it? Has anybody seen it? What is in this container, the moon, the sun, the stars? 4. Do you reject the idea that people in the southern hemisphere see a different set of stars than people in the northern hemisphere? 5. Do you reject the notion that there is a force between two objects proportional to the product of their mass? If so what is the source of the force that pulls things toward the earth. 6. The graph below is of atmospheric pressure versus altitude. Do you think the graph is wrong? Do you think the atmospheric drops to zero someplace? The normal idea is that the atmospheric pressure we sense on the surface of the earth is the result of the air above us being pulled towards the earth by the force of gravity. Do you have a different idea in mind? image credit: By Klaus-Dieter Keller - Own work, CC BY-SA 3.0, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/inde...curid=25608825 |
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It doesn't matter for this discussion.
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That is exactly what happens. The variation is up to 20o. The needle of a compass that works in the SH is balanced differently than one that works in the NH, due to exactly this fact that the horizontal and vertical components of the earth's magnetic field vary considerably in different locations The compass manufacturers use 5 global zones and 5 corresponding “magnetic balancing zones”. You have correctly pointed out yet another Fact that demonstrates that the earth is a globe and not a platter. |
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I'm not trying to prove any horizon or what the Navy 'believes', skipper. Your appeal here is a Painfully Incoherent Red Herring Fallacy. How/What on Earth am I ASSUMING?? Here's "My Argument", read this slowly... Sea Sparrow (NATO): "Bistatic, semiactive seekers in the nose of a missile receive a reflected signal from a target that is being “illuminated” with an RF signal transmitted from a fire control radar on a stand-off platform (e.g., aircraft, ship). Such systems REQUIRE that the platform maintain LINE OF SIGHT (LOS) to the target until it is engaged by the missile. Ship-based standard missile (SM) and NATO Seasparrow AAW missiles are examples of such a semiactive mode." http://m.eet.com/media/1111959/819_radar3.pdf Range is MORE THAN 35 Miles. http://www.naval-technology.com/proj...-missile-essm/ The target is "Illuminated" with a 2 inch Pencil Beam (RF) which has to be maintained "Painted" on the target until detonation. At a more than generous 80 Feet Elevation above Sea LEVEL (Fire Control Radar Height), the target should be hidden behind 385 Feet of Curvature. Please explain how you can have Line of Site (LOS) 35 Miles Away on a "Spinning-Ball" by showing how an 2" RF Pencil Beam can penetrate 385 Feet (117 METERS) of Target Hidden Height through a WALL OF WATER 24 MILES in Length...?? (ps. 35 miles is "Low Balling" : (The 'Official' Max Effective Range is Classified ---- i.e. it's MUCH MUCH greater than 35 Miles!). Pretty Easy...What's your response??
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I have a Novel Idea, Why don't you refute my ACTUAL ARGUMENTS!!! my word people So after I explain to your personally at least 3 Times and to this thread over 50 times, that "Varying Pressure" is an Incoherent Begging The Question Fallacy to My Argument of How do have "Gas Pressure" without a Container to begin with.... You Post a Graph showing "Varying Pressure" !!!! Gooney Goo Goo. K? oy vey |
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So I ask you... 1. Which 'gravity'... Einstienian or Newtonian ?? Your Answer: skipped. a. Is gravity a Force? Your Answer: Gravity is a demonstrable attraction between physical objects based on mass. Non-Sequitur Fallacy. b. Is 'gravity' a Scientific Law or Scientific Theory? Your Answer: Gravity is the observable attraction between physical objects based on mass. Another Non-Sequitur Fallacy. c. What is the CAUSE of 'gravity'...? Your Answer: Gravitational attraction is a property due to the mass of objects...la la la. Another Non Sequitur Fallacy. Why did you even post??
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Yes because they force you to SUPPORT your mindlessly 'wiki' PARROTED Claims.
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'gravity' What on Earth is that?? THEN, Which 'gravity'... Einstienian or Newtonian ?? a. Is gravity a Force? b. Is 'gravity' a Scientific Law or Scientific Theory? c. What is the CAUSE of 'gravity'...?
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Yes and Aphrodite was actually Elmer Fudd in drag and was directly responsible for the TET Offensive.
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Clumsy False Equivalence Fallacy: Mt Everest is a Physical Place that people can Stand On. Show the Physical Attributes and people standing on 'gravity'...?
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Generalized Sweeping Ipse Dixit Baseless 'bare' Assertion Fallacy (x2).
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So? What's the Point of either?
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1. Identical Points?? Of what are you referring to? 2. What is the significance of Identical Circumstances? And what do you mean by "Circumstances"...? regards |
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Yes, Like Hydrogen is Straw Man to Water.
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Yes, that's Correct.
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Why?? Ya see, when the Military denotes Ranges of its Weapon Systems/Munitions, it's SOP to be Uber Specific and Differentiate if there are limitations with different Targets/Situations (e.g., M203 -- Point vs Area Targets). In this Particular Case, they DID NOT; Ergo...50 km's (Again, "Low Ball") is the Range for ALL Targets and the limitations are inherent to the Weapon System/Munition itself, nothing else.
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Why didn't you post it then... so as to SUPPORT your claim? Ergo...this is a Baseless Ipse Dixit 'bare' Assertion Fallacy. Also, do you know the difference between a CITATION and a Reference (Source)? smh
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Really?? LOL... "The "PRESSURE OF A GAS" is the force that the gas exerts on the WALLS OF IT'S CONTAINER". http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchemb...0pressure.html Yep, 'Bare' Assertion. "A GAS is a sample of matter that conforms to the shape of a CONTAINER in which it is held and acquires a uniform density inside the CONTAINER, EVEN IN THE PRESENCE OF GRAVITY and regardless of the amount of substance in the CONTAINER. If not confined to a CONTAINER, gaseous matter, also known as vapor, WILL DISPERSE INTO SPACE." http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/gas Again, 'Bare' Assertion. "Kinetic Molecular Theory Explanation of Boyle's Law... Observations about pressure may be explained using the following ideas. The rapid motion and collisions of molecules with the WALLS OF THE CONTAINER causes PRESSURE (force on a unit area). Pressure is proportional to the number of molecular collisions and the force of the collisions in a particular area. The more collisions of *GAS MOLECULES* with THE WALLS, the higher the PRESSURE." http://chemistry.elmhurst.edu/vchemb...0pressure.html And yet another, 'Bare' Assertion.
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That wasn't why I asked "WHY "? I asked "Why " in response to your comment: "The range of a sea target would be less then air." So you wanna try that one more time...?
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Because the Earth is not flat. Line of sight is less at sea level. Better?
Your source does not prove your claim. So it's believed by soldiers that capabilities and limitations of their weapon systems are made known to the public? Say that out loud a couple times and you should see how stupid that claim is................. |
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