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All things Trump + Russia Part 3
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Who saw Maddow the other night claiming that Rosenstein's lies before committee could give Trump the pretext he wants to fire him and derail the Mueller investigation?
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Politics. Their behavior, in general, is pretty much exactly what is to be expected when they're far more interested in "winning" the politics game in the short term than pretty much anything else, including serving the people and country. This is hardly a surprise, of course, given the outright destructive and divisive national strategies that they've been employing to try to keep and gain power.
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A heck of a lot will. Democrats are for murdering babies, after all. Those scummy liberals and progressives are the ones who are actually pushing America towards its destruction by doing things that will anger God, after all. Both sides are corrupt, after all, but the liberal media unfairly plays up Republican corruption and hides Democrat corruption.
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I've been telling you that your sources suck for so long now. No wonder you don't understand if you only get misleading information like the NYT editorial deconstructed here (tl;dr: the investigation isn't "finding stuff" at all): Mueller probe’s credibility with Congressional Republicans is collapsing |
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Good analysis from 538:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...d-for-success/ |
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Why what? Why they were OK with the investigation at the beginning or why they're throwing their lot in with Trump?
They were probably OK with the investigation at the beginning either because 1) opposing it might have been politically unpopular, and/or 2) they expected the investigation to not be an issue because either they were naive idiots (e.g. "trump is innocent") or they expected a hail mary/gift from god (e.g. Mueler comes down with a case of spontaneous human combustion.) They are throwing their lot in with Trump now because they realize how bad it will look to have a Republican president charged with conspiring, even if he is completely guilty. |
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Ah, that article by that guy who was disbarred for fraud, lying, and committing forgery, again. Sorry, but it's still bollocks. Probably deliberately so, given that it's written by him and published on a Russia propaganda site.
And it's still making the unbelievably stupid argument that because Mueller hasn't publicly released any evidence that no evidence exists. Apart from the fact that it's self-evidently, really obviously, an incredibly stupid argument, it's a stupid argument because it's built on a completely false premise - that there is no evidence in the public domain. There is. What is known publicly is detailed here and here. And I think it's since then that it's been confirmed that it's been officially confirmed (although it's SOP so didn't really need official confirmation) that when Trump was appointed the Republican candidate he was explicitly warned about possible Russian interference in the election and that he and his team must report anything along those lines. This explains why that matters. So that "no evidence from any other source" than the Steele Dossier is either made up, or an indication that the author hasn't been looking very hard or paying much attention. And it's also ignoring that the FBI will have investigated and verified anything they're using from the dossier as evidence. Because, you know, that's how criminal investigations work - investigators gather and verify facts. |
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What a coincidence, the credibility of Congressional Republicans is collapsing with the public. Nobody is counting on them for anything at this point except to keep on their current trajectory until next November. Anyway, sorry, but your "information" source seems to be in serious denial of stuff we already know in order to slander the FBI and preemptively disparage criminal cases that Mueller hasn't yet made. He ends up basically saying there's nothing there to investigate, and we never would have found out about all of it except for Steele's bogus dossier. I certainly hope TrumpCo's lawyers are much smarter than that.
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Even his statement at the end is made up of misinformation:
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And I've asked this before, but never got an answer. I wonder if Empress will answer - if there was nothing illegal about the meetings between people in Trump's team and Russians, then why did Flynn and Papadopolous risk jail time by lying to the FBI about them? What reason do you suppose they had to commit federal crimes in order to cover up meetings that were completely above-board and legal? They both risked a potential 5 years in prison, for what gain?
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It's a Russian propaganda site, co-founded by the author of the article - a former RT* journalist (who still appears on there regularly, as recently as a couple of days ago), and a former barrister who was disbarred for committing fraud, lying to a client (impoverishing her), and committing forgery. He writes and publishes articles like how popular Putin is and why he should remain president, and why Russia's story about there not really having been a chemical weapons attack in Khan Sheikhoun is correct.
Childlike Empress thinks that extreme political bias like this in reporting is fine from people and sites such as these, because apparently they check their sources. That they appear to check their sources with other "news" services that toe the Russian party line doesn't appear to matter. It's also fine because sources like The Washington Post lean left and therefore they are equally biased, they're just not as "honest" about their bias. *Which is not very secretly a mouthpiece for the Kremlin:
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Have you checked the schedule going into the new year? Any new witnesses interviewed soon? I've heard the NYT wrote about that. I'm on record having no answer to this - almost a month ago I would guess. Papadopolous seems to be a low level trickster, with Flynn - no idea. He doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the drawer either so maybe he thought he would get away with it, not understanding that he had been surveilled and was about to be entrapped - maybe to protect Bibi and cohorts, although as I said before that road of investigation is closed. Kinda cute how much energy you put into deceiving yourself, btw. Give it time. |
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Yes, there have been reports that there are more interviews lined up for next year. The latest news was that Mueller was looking at transactions going through Trump's favourite bank who were fined a very hefty amount not very long ago for laundering money for Russian oligarchs.
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Really. There have also been reports that nothing is scheduled for 2018. Meanwhile the House Intelligence Committee seems to be quite busy, having interviewed "Insurance Andy" for eight hours behind closed doors yesterday. We'll see what comes out of all of that, and contrary to most of your CT comrades, I think you might be capable of admitting that you were wrong at some point. The same goes for me, I'm almost tired of being right all the time. You might want to avoid sinking to their levels, though, as you really won't get to me with weakmindedness like in your last sentence. So much should be obvious. |
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Very unlikely to result in Mueller's firing, significantly more likely to be used as a kind of loyalty oath to get all the GOP on the same boat to prevent impeachment while they hold Congress.
Mueller is saying it'll take more than a year because impeachment will be the first thing the Democrat-dominated congress will do in 2019. He wouldn't have flipped Flynn unless it got him Trump, so it's only a matter of political inertia. Expect a crap ton of Russian FUD and whining from the GOP until then, followed by pathetic backpedaling as they scramble to reclaim their discarded self-respect. |
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...and are these reports from Russian propaganda sites, perchance?
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You're mixing investigations. There are multiple ongoing ones. The one that was reported as having no witnesses scheduled next year, as well as having important witnesses scheduled outside Washington, during the tax votes, when they had been willing to come to Washington, along with numerous other GOP shenanigans is the one that you were likely hearing about. There was strong suspicion that shutting down that one would be used to pressure Mueller's investigation, but was not his investigation.
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So when you said "last sentence" you meant "entire post before last" or even "first sentence from several posts previously"? Good news for you - you don't have to live with the burden of "being right all the time" any more.
As it is, I don't think you understand what the term "ad hominem" means. An ad hominem is when you attack someone's character instead of addressing the argument they're making. You'll notice that I talked about Mercouris' track record and demolished the foundations of his argument. And I'm sorry, but everything I mentioned is relevant to his credibility. He was disbarred for three different types of dishonesty. This speaks to how likely he is to tell big lies about important subjects. He was a reporter for RT and he still appears regularly on there. That he appears, touting the party line, on Russian state-controlled media speaks to his willingness to engage in spreading Kremlin propaganda. And the examples of him authoring and publishing articles which are obviously Russian propaganda speak, self-evidently, to his willingness to author and publish articles which are obviously Russian propaganda. All three of this things are relevant when assessing whether or not we should take at face value any articles he publishes the contents of which are in Russia's interests, like the ones you continually insist on posting. Again, I'm sorry if you don't like it being pointed out when the links you post are Kremlin propaganda full of lies, distortions, and misrepresentations, but if you don't want it to happen in the future then the best way to prevent it is to stop posting links to Kremlin propaganda full of lies, distortions, and misrepresentations. BTW, I'll note that you've not explained why you think McCabe being questioned was somehow some sort of "gotcha" and have gone entirely silent on the matter since having it pointed out that, rather than not reporting it at all as you were trying to imply, the source I was using reported it before your supposedly more credible source did. I would appreciate it if you'd explain what point you thought you were making and how it was in any way relevant to my posts. |
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And I would appreciate if you'd remember your position and don't expect from me to spoon-feed you things. You can, as everybody else, profit from information that breaks through the propaganda bubble I kindly provide to you, so that you can stop falling from surprise to surprise as reality crashes with the narrative, but that's it, Squeegee. You take it our you leave it, just like your comrades. And if you put a bit of energy into it, everybody benefits. So stop wasting that energy with singing that tiresome song such a huge choir is singing already. I know it all too well. Russiagate Is Making Everyone Stupid
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It was you who introduced it to the discussion. Now that the point you were making with it has been disproven, you suddenly don't want to discuss it any more. Curious.
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I think we knew it was very unlikely to be untrue, but this is the first time it's reportedly been said by someone inside the White House, and it's the first time the existence of a paper trail proving it has been asserted.
Like most of the stories that have come out and which will continue to come out, it's not a huge revelation, but a small move forwards which will eventually add up. |
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