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Old 23rd March 2017, 11:31 AM   #1
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Putin at it again!

Gunman in Ukraine kills Putin foe in attack denounced as ‘state terrorism’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.82ecdd44fa48

http://www.businessinsider.com/list-...inating-2016-3

I bet the guys over at Fort Russ won't see any reason to connect this with Putin.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 11:35 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
Gunman in Ukraine kills Putin foe in attack denounced as ‘state terrorism’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.82ecdd44fa48

http://www.businessinsider.com/list-...inating-2016-3

I bet the guys over at Fort Russ won't see any reason to connect this with Putin.
It's Fake News.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 11:53 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Jules Galen View Post
It's Fake News.
How do you define Fake News, now?
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Old 23rd March 2017, 12:09 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Jules Galen View Post
It's Fake News.
Oh thank God! You mean he's not dead?
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Originally Posted by Jules Galen View Post
It's Fake News.
And you're just a troll, and a boring one at that.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 01:33 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
Oh thank God! You mean he's not dead?
You are trying to slant this so that suspicion falls in Putin despite the lack on any evidence..

This is fake news.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 01:39 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by Jules Galen View Post
You are trying to slant this so that suspicion falls in Putin despite the lack on any evidence..

This is fake news.
That's not what fake news means.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 01:47 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by tyr_13 View Post
That's not what fake news means.
I say it means that....so that's what it means.
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Old 23rd March 2017, 05:18 PM   #9
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Ya know, if this had been an attack with an umbrella tip, you could have made the title

Putin it in again

And it would have worked beautifully.
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Originally Posted by Greedo View Post
And you're just a troll, and a boring one at that.
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Originally Posted by Greedo View Post
And you're just a troll, and a boring one at that.
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I read about this in friday's Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany's leading national quality news papers.

They write that the Putin connection is one plausible backstory - the victim about to testify against former Ukraine president Yanukovitch and his involvement in the Crimea occupation.

Another plausible backstory is the victim's past history as a typical corrupt Russian Duma member who has sung the song of everyone who would pay for it, and who just made the wrong friends.

It's not likely that we will ever know with any confidence.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
I read about this in friday's Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany's leading national quality news papers.

They write that the Putin connection is one plausible backstory - the victim about to testify against former Ukraine president Yanukovitch and his involvement in the Crimea occupation.

Another plausible backstory is the victim's past history as a typical corrupt Russian Duma member who has sung the song of everyone who would pay for it, and who just made the wrong friends.

It's not likely that we will ever know with any confidence.
The second story has a significant flaw, he was a member of the Russian Duma and would be able to lead a comfortable and safe life if he just kept quiet. He knew the risks when he took off to Ukraine, visible Russians who denounce Putin and his cronies have the tendency to die young in a pool of blood. I doubt he could live a much more opulent lifestyle with whatever Ukraine was paying him, and that was the only gain I can see for him - and even if true it is rather petty to risk your life so you can have three Mercedes-Benz cars as opposed to having just two. You risk your life for riches if you live in poverty maybe, but not if you're already wealthy.

Duma members are paid well enough to live comfortably in the West, and that's if they follow the law, are not corrupt, have no assets and no wealth to begin with:

https://www.rt.com/politics/235023-r...nt-salary-cut/

The monthly salary of a State Duma MP in Russia is currently 420,000 rubles or $6,700 at current rates. Lawmakers also have the right to a quarterly bonus of 81,500 rubles or about $1,300. The law forbids the MPs to receive any other income while holding their parliamentary posts, with the exception of artistic or educational fees.

(RT wouldn't exaggerate their incomes)

A corrupt member of the parliament would presumably have sidelines too.

The story doesn't make too much sense if you analyze the potential costs vs potential benefits.

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Rats, I figured Putin had found another artist to base his bare pics on!!!! He used to use Tom of Finland and his Kake magazine for ideas - but Tom is dead and has a Finnish stamp honoring him!!!
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There were a couple of interesting documentaries on British TV yesterday about Russia and Putin. One was about the murder of Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006 by drinking tea from radioactive polonium. Detectives from Scotland Yard found out that it was done by Lugovoi in Russia but nothing can be done about it because he is being protected by Russian diplomats and he has immunity. Lugovoi went and poured the radioactive substance down the sink in his London hotel room, which was not good for the London water supply, and about 36000 people were exposed to the substance when it was found on aircraft used by Lugovoi. The Russians and Putin should pay compensation if there was government by the rule of law in Russia.

I have never really been able to make out why Litvinenko was murdered. He seemed like a reasonable person to me. There was some suggestion that he had information about corruption between the KGB and the Russian Mafia, and about Putin false flags in the Chechen war. Like the Vatican they don't like opposition or public criticism in Russia. I have seen it mentioned that Litvinenko once described Putin as a paedophile but I don't know if that's true or not. Litvinenko was friends with the shady Russian oligarch Berezovsky, and also connected to MI6.

It must be remembered that the Russian secret police always was ruthless in the time of the Tsars, and under Stalin. The deputy head of MI6 in the second world war, Claude Dansey, was not a nice man. He came from the British South African police. The CIA in America are said to have links with the Mafia there, and there have been murdered journalists there. It's not unknown for the Israeli secret service to bump people off.

The other documentary was about Catherine the Great in Russia. That was a time when Russia was not in misrule. I didn't know that Catherine the Great won a great Naval battle against the Turks after Turkey had declared war on Russia. Catherine the Great did nothing about the serfs in Russia and their sexual exploitation, which came back to bite the Russians at the time of the Russian revolution in 1917. The Russian army consisted of serfs.

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MOSCOW -- A prominent Russian journalist has died of his injuries six weeks after being attacked in St. Petersburg.

The death Wednesday of 73-year-old Nikolai Andrushchenko was reported by Russian media outlets that cited his lawyer and the editor-in-chief of the Novy Peterburg newspaper.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-...-march-attack/
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The CIA has an assassination manual, and America invades other countries. It's never reported by the CIA corporate media in America. Blaming Russia and Putin for everything is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. The CIA is not using right judgment in supporting Sunni Islamic extremist rebels, who are child killers, just because they think the Shiites and Christians are unbelievers. It's an extraordinary combination of Arab nationalism and religious fanaticism.

There is a bit of background information to all this at :

http://www.theweek.co.uk/politics/21...assassinations
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The CIA has an assassination manual, and America invades other countries. It's never reported by the CIA corporate media in America.
The CIA corporate media? What?
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Old 20th April 2017, 11:22 AM   #20
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
The CIA has an assassination manual, and America invades other countries. It's never reported by the CIA corporate media in America. Blaming Russia and Putin for everything is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.
We can't condemn Putin for killing journalists because the United States has a crappy foreign policy?



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We can't condemn Putin for killing journalists because the United States has a crappy foreign policy?



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Classic Whataboutism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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Whataboutism is a term describing a propaganda technique used by the Soviet Union in its dealings with the Western world during the Cold War. When criticisms were levelled at the Soviet Union, the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world.[1][2] It represents a case of tu quoque (appeal to hypocrisy),[3] a logical fallacy that attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.
Chomsky does this every time there is a tragic world event.
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We can't condemn Putin for killing journalists because the United States has a crappy foreign policy?



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Russia always has been a Middle Eastern power. That's why Putin is involved in all this Iran business.

Iran always has been a problem. I don't see why it should lead to world war three. Israel and Saudi Arabia regard themselves as at war with Iran, which is mainly why there is so much trouble in Syria. I have no argument with Iran, or the Houthis in Yemen. I don't wish to attack them, bomb them, or give them cholera, or starve them to death, just because they are friendly to Iran. I don't see why Britain and America has to be dragged into another war over all this.

There is some historical background to this matter in a book called Middle East Crisis published in 1956:

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The oil companies had grown in a comparatively short space of time from small beginnings into very complex organizations, with vast wealth. By the end of the second world war the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company controlled the largest tanker fleet in the world, owned at Abadan the largest refinery, and made a significant contribution to British finance in dividends and taxes..... certainly they showed less political foresight and tact than might have been expected of genuinely political organizations.........

The oil drama began abruptly, but it had been prepared by years of worsening bitterness in Persia against the West. The occupation by Britain and Russia during the war had been a humiliation; weak government, which followed the fall of the dictator Reza Shah, enabled mullahs and gang leaders to exploit the spreading hatred.. During the Persian drama, nearly everybody concerned - Dr Musaddiq, the Shah,, army officers - lived in fear of murder. This distorted their political behaviour. In the safety of London or Washington it is not easy to keep this in mind..............

Dr Musaddiq's personality and career are fascinating. It is a pity that on his eventual fall no detailed analysis was presented to the British public. A great deal could have been learned about how to deal with Middle East dictators. He had a peculiar character. He was well born and very rich; he was a landowner and was related to the deposed Qajar dynasty of Persia. He was a hysteric like Hitler. When thwarted, he burst into tears. He was a hypochondriac. While he was causing commotion throughout the world he spent much of his time in bed, received ambassadors and journalists at his bed-side, and from there directed his devastating moves. Why was so strange a politician able to make so much havoc? It was because he was felt by much of the educated class of Persia to be the personification of its mood.........

When the oil company was assailed the dispute passed from being one between the Persian government and a commercial corporation into one between Persia and Britain........ And it had strategic interests of the highest importance in the Middle East generally. It was significant for much of what was to happen later that although the American government had the same strategic interests it took a different view of how to secure them. It hoped to associate Persia in its security system, and the quarrel between Britain and Persia seemed therefore a considerable nuisance. There was at first an inclination to blame Britain for throwing a spanner in the works...........

By refraining from military action, they had avoided major conflict; they had discovered that unreason can be countered successfully by non-military means. How melancholy that the same means were not later to be used in the case of Colonel Nasser.
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If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a dictatorship.
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And you're just a troll, and a boring one at that.
+3 plus a bonus point for being horribly inept, +4
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Just confirms what we already knew.

I guess Russians are just not ready for democracy yet.....
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LOL. The apartment bomber didn't want to take any chances on his populist rival, and the drones' defense is yet again "he's a small fish". He's irrelevant, or, my favorite "we need stability in Russia" so we need the KGB creep to stay.
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Things are not perfect in Ukraine either:

http://theduran.com/another-journali...s-14-counting/

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“It is scary because none of the leaders in the EU will take notice that, day after day politicians are being killed in Ukraine. Let’s try and find at least 20 tweets of foreign ministers of Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Sweden, the UK, Canada, USA, and Australia, representatives of the OSCE, EU and NATO expressing ...........

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Things are not perfect in Ukraine either:

http://theduran.com/another-journali...s-14-counting/
Whataboutism.

Eta: Yeah, about The Duran...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/
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Whataboutism.
Indeed.

Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
Eta: Yeah, about The Duran...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/
You gotta give Henri that he at least cited a contemporaneous article, not a 50-yo book.
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Hey. Putin should just drop the pretense of a democracy, and have himself crowned Tsar Vladimir ,first of the Putin Dynasty.
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Hey. Putin should just drop the pretense of a democracy, and have himself crowned Tsar Vladimir ,first of the Putin Dynasty.
That just seems like it would cause a lot of unnecessary contention, without actually offering him any real benefit.
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