Gay couple orders wedding programs, gets homophobic pamphlets instead

That seems to be a military themed anti-Temptation pamphlet rather than being "homophobic"
 
The Big Dog said:
That seems to be a military themed anti-Temptation pamphlet rather than being "homophobic"
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The homophobia (or anti-homosexual hostility, if one dislikes the term homophobia) is in the intent, if it was sent to this couple on purpose. If it was a box full of shredded newspaper, the bigotry would still be present.
 
Argumemnon said:
Now see, that would've been funny.

But in all seriousness I don't get this stuff. There are plenty of lifestyles I "disagree" with but I don't go out of my way to harrass these people or try to get the law changed to make them criminals.
What's wrong with live and let live?
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This. When it comes to something that doesn't harm me or another, I don't give a ****. I know people who turn themselves into mental tormented pretzels over what others do. I don't care.

Kind of a different version of "do unto others"- I say "leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone."
 
Babbylonian said:
The homophobia (or anti-homosexual hostility, if one dislikes the term homophobia) is in the intent, if it was sent to this couple on purpose. If it was a box full of shredded newspaper, the bigotry would still be present.
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that ain't what the headline says, you dig?
 
isissxn said:
Lord, tell me about it. I was a bridesmaid in my cousin's wedding when I was a teenager. I still have scars from all the Bridezilla and family antics. The next time a friend asked me to be in her wedding (sometime in my twenties), I sort of just jumped up and ran away.
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Men have it a lot easier. Get fitted for a tux, show up for the ceremony.

I really hate weddings. Great party, but women seem to be "trained" for that big day.
 
Babbylonian said:
The homophobia (or anti-homosexual hostility, if one dislikes the term homophobia) is in the intent, if it was sent to this couple on purpose. If it was a box full of shredded newspaper, the bigotry would still be present.
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This is true

But it certainly doesn't change the law suit being....just utter pants, because it says this

"literature with hateful, discriminatory and anti-gay messages"
 
William Parcher said:
I haven't seen the pamphlet yet. Is there a link or a full transcript?
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It is about temptation (In the biblical sense obviously)

This is an image that you can read (most of it) if you zoom it up a bit

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JoeMorgue said:
This seems to be the only image of the pamphlet online. It shows two pages, not sure how long the whole thing is.

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Based on my lifelong experience of Evangelical Christians, I'm confident that pamphlet does not discuss homosexuality at all, no matter how long it turns out to be (which probably isn't more than 9 or 10 pages anyway).

I think this was an innocent shipping mix-up, and the gunshy couple leapt precipitously to the conclusion that it was all about them.

I predict that when Vistaprint's investigation determines that it was an innocent mistake they'll still have to pay a penance for their "misdeed".
 
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Seems really generic about fighting temptation, this pamphlet would not be out of place at meeting of catholic alcoholics
 
It would be out of place at a gay wedding, but not homophobically so.

I wonder if they'd gotten a shipment of Chinese restaurant menus by mistake, the poor couple would have assumed it was some kind of homophobic attack.
 
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Not even the company to whom they paid their money is spinning this hard. Truly pathetic.

If there was intent, then it was bigoted/homophobic. Period.
 
Babbylonian said:
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Not even the company to whom they paid their money is spinning this hard. Truly pathetic.

If there was intent, then it was bigoted/homophobic. Period.
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Wait, what is truly pathetic? Do you expect posters here just to roll the **** over?

If there was intent you got evidence there was? The fact the the company is in desperate damage control does not mean anything.
 
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William Parcher said:
There is a rare wildcard in the deck which only occasionally does show up. The gay couple faked it and didn't really get that stuff shipped to them. I'm not suggesting this but we have examples of that kind of wildcard being dealt.
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You would not likely see VistaPrint apologizing if that were the case, surely they have records of what was sent.
 
Babbylonian said:
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Not even the company to whom they paid their money is spinning this hard. Truly pathetic.

If there was intent, then it was bigoted/homophobic. Period.
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The case isn't even based on the intent being homophobic

Probably because they could never prove it

The wording of the complaint is based on the products content

Which is utterly wrong when you just look at the products content.
 
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Oh

And it hasn't even been shown to not be an accident

As I said earlier. Mix ups happen all the time.

They just aren't normally over "sensitive" stuff
 
baron said:
It says "B.L.U.F - Military term that stands for Bottom Line Up Front." Maybe that's something to do with it?
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BLUF:
A BLUF (Bottom Line Up Front)[1] is a paragraph where the conclusions and recommendations are placed at the beginning of the text, rather than the end, in order to facilitate rapid decision making. This differs from an older, more-traditional style in which conclusions and recommendations are included at the end, following the arguments and considerations of facts. The concept is not exclusive to writing; it can also refer to conversations and interviews.
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So no, nothing to do with homosexuality either.

The Big Dog said:
Seems really generic about fighting temptation, this pamphlet would not be out of place at meeting of catholic alcoholics
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I agree with theprestige and you that this pamphlet, from the evidence presented, is not homophobic in nature.

And therefore, most likely it was just an unlucky accident.
 
William Parcher said:
There is a rare wildcard in the deck which only occasionally does show up. The gay couple faked it and didn't really get that stuff shipped to them. I'm not suggesting this but we have examples of that kind of wildcard being dealt.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
You would not likely see VistaPrint apologizing if that were the case, surely they have records of what was sent.
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theprestige said:
Vistaprint may find it expedient to apologize regardless of who they determine is actually at fault.
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Yep. There's a journalist now on the phone asking them for a comment and saying the article hits the pages tomorrow. Finding out what happened takes time; this happened four months ago, some of that data may not even be anymore online in their system but only on archive tape.

And William Parcher's "wildcard case" is actually the hardest to establish. They'd have to search through all the orders of the weeks or even month before to establish that no-one ever placed an order with that pamphlet. And that would be a manual search, as they'd have to inspect all the PDFs from all those orders visually.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Why? Surely they use a database at some point, or at least a spreadsheet.
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Why would we expect Vistaprint's database or spreadsheet to have an entry about the actual content of the pamphlet? Would that entry say, "Really good advice for a person wanting to avoid the temptations of Satan"?
 
William Parcher said:
Why would we expect Vistaprint's database or spreadsheet to have an entry about the actual content of the pamphlet? Would that entry say, "Really good advice for a person wanting to avoid the temptations of Satan"?
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Why wouldn't it contain a brief description? Or at least a category field for 'religious', and a reference number to the PDF. It's amazing how organized one can be with powerful organizational tools.
 
baron said:
It says "B.L.U.F - Military term that stands for Bottom Line Up Front." Maybe that's something to do with it?
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When I google BLUF my first hit is "Breeches and Leather Uniform Fanclub" An "organisation for men with an interest in leather uniforms". :rolleyes:
 
TragicMonkey said:
Why wouldn't it contain a brief description? Or at least a category field for 'religious', and a reference number to the PDF. It's amazing how organized one can be with powerful organizational tools.
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There's no practical application for an attempted description of the content made by an employee. A photo of a rabbit with a pancake on its head is listed in the category as "flapjack bunny"? Another unidentifiable photo is listed as "pyramids on Mars or salt crystals or I don't know what the hell it is"? If anything, it would just say "photo".

I think it's likely that their data includes customer, shipping address, description of product (such as "full color tri-fold brochure"), quantity, pricing and a link to the PDF.
 
William Parcher said:
There's no practical application for an attempted description of the content made by an employee. A photo of a rabbit with a pancake on its head is listed in the category as "flapjack bunny"? Another unidentifiable photo is listed as "pyramids on Mars or salt crystals or I don't know what the hell it is"? If anything, it would just say "photo".

I think it's likely that their data includes customer, shipping address, description of product (such as "full color tri-fold brochure"), quantity, pricing and a link to the PDF.
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Have you ever shipped anything? At all? Someone has to verify what's being shipped every single time something is shipped. Not doing so would be negligent and the business would not remain profitable because mistakes would become common.
 
CORed said:
I know some people might save the actual wedding invitations, but who on earth would actually save the mailing envelope they came in, or give a damn that they had two stamps on them instead of one?
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Maybe there was a fancy printed border around where the stamnp was stuck, and having to add an additional one would spoil the effect?
 
TheGoldcountry said:
Men have it a lot easier. Get fitted for a tux, show up for the ceremony.

I really hate weddings. Great party, but women seem to be "trained" for that big day.
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My wife and I were fairly low-key, as was her want. We took note of a lot of wedding shop ideas and then did our own much cheaper variations, like designing and printing the programmes ourselves, or thought up our own stuff, such as having balloons and white glowsticks on every table at the reception, rather than flowers.

My wife's sister? She wanted a castle. An actual castle. And she got one. This one.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
Why wouldn't it contain a brief description? Or at least a category field for 'religious', and a reference number to the PDF.
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Why would it contain these things? What value does Vistaprint get from asking their customers to describe or categorize their print job, outside of the necessary technical specifications about size, color, quantity, etc.?

It's Vistaprint, not Vistacreatecontent.
 
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You know what reinforces my opinion that this wasn't a homophobic attack? That given the evidence so far, the vested interest crowd here can't get any closer to that attractor than making lame buttsex puns.
 
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