Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

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johnny karate said:
How about just one that includes the confirmation you claimed has occurred?

What you linked to are just claims that are unconfirmed.
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they were so unconfirmed that Pelosi turned into a **** fountain to stop them from being released.

They are confirmed, no one (other than partisans) have questioned them. The FBI said they did not tell the whole story.

You see you gotta get the talking points right.

So Schiff is at his big boy computer right now typing the "rest of the story" out which you will accept like manna from heaven.
 
So I think my wife is cheating on me. I hire a detective to find out. Detective find out she met with a Hitman to murder me. Detective sends evidence of the conspiracy to the police. The police begin investigation of their own.

According to Trumpers, the police are biased and should drop the investigation because it was based on evidence my detective gathered......
 
Imhotep said:
Left: Nothingburger!
Right: Treason
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Well, it’s a little of both. It’s a nothingburger (I prefer “Nunesburger”) in the sense that the memo itself is basically just an editorial. It makes a few claims, but doesn’t back them up. Even its “strongest” claim, that the FISA warrant was solely due to the Steele dossier (we don’t even know if that’s true), boils down to nothing more than an ad hominem argument; it does nothing to rebut the dossier, nor address the reauthorizations.

(It does, however, neatly rebut the Republican talking points that the whole investigation is due to the dossier in the first place. That’s quite an autopwn.)

But it’s also treason, in that conspiring to obstruct an investigation into a hostile foreign power’s attacks on our democracy is in itself a treasonous act.

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Center: Moves straight into detailed discussion of the memo
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The truth isn’t somewhere in the middle. Even your premise is faulty, because there are plenty of people in the center (like me) and on the right disgusted by this blatant attempt to turn us into Trumpenzuela - a banana republic with shiner toys.
 
The Big Dog said:
they were so unconfirmed that Pelosi turned into a **** fountain to stop them from being released.

They are confirmed, no one (other than partisans) have questioned them. The FBI said they did not tell the whole story.

You see you gotta get the talking points right.

So Schiff is at his big boy computer right now typing the "rest of the story" out which you will accept like manna from heaven.
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No confirmation then.

Did you want to go back and edit your previous post so people don't accuse you of being a liar?

Because I'd hate to see someone of your impeccable reputation have that reputation besmirched.

Your laser-focused dedication to rooting out this despicable Republican corruption is admirable, but you've got to remember to not get so excited that you make unsubstantiated claims. Keep that laser focused, Big Dog!
 
johnny karate said:
No confirmation then.

Did you want to go back and edit your previous post so people don't accuse you of being a liar?

Because I'd hate to see someone of your impeccable reputation have that reputation besmirched.

Your laser-focused dedication to rooting out this despicable Republican corruption is admirable, but you've got to remember to not get so excited that you make unsubstantiated claims. Keep that laser focused, Big Dog!
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Oh dear, I just posted the confirmation, which you hand waved away, which directly sources the evidence upon which they relied.

They did not tell the FISA court that the request for the subpoena was based on information that was allegedly generated by a researcher who was bought and paid for by the opposition.

That is what we call a big deal.

That has been confirmed in the Nunes memo.
 
The memo has done nothing to convince people of FBI bias. It's only a big deal to Trump supporters.
 
The Big Dog said:
That has been confirmed in the Nunes memo.
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I find this interesting.

Considering you've been assuring us all, for a while now, that this was a fact, and definitely the case...now you're saying the memo is what confirms it.

Even assuming that's true, that means that for months you've been misrepresenting unconfirmed guesses as facts, simply to fit in with your political agenda.

If you give me five minutes, I'm sure I can get my shocked face on.

I was incorrect, and obviously confusing him with another poster.
 
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The Big Dog said:
Oh dear, I just posted the confirmation, which you hand waved away, which directly sources the evidence upon which they relied.

They did not tell the FISA court that the request for the subpoena was based on information that was allegedly generated by a researcher who was bought and paid for by the opposition.

That is what we call a big deal.

That has been confirmed in the Nunes memo.
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No, the Nunes memo is a series of claims made by a Republican weasel (but I repeat myself), not actual evidence.

Again, that you so diligently wish to root out the nefarious deeds of these other Republican weasels (ha ha, there I go repeating myself again) makes me proud of you, but don’t get carried away!
 
The Big Dog said:
Oh dear, I just posted the confirmation, which you hand waved away, which directly sources the evidence upon which they relied.

They did not tell the FISA court that the request for the subpoena was based on information that was allegedly generated by a researcher who was bought and paid for by the opposition.
That is what we call a big deal.

That has been confirmed in the Nunes memo.
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WHY would that even matter?

Really. Who cares where the information came from? Is the information accurate or not? Geeze, lets get a special prosecutor on the case and find out! All we need to do now is sit down, shut the **** up and let the man do his job.
 
Hellbound said:
Even assuming that's true, that means that for months you've been misrepresenting unconfirmed guesses as facts, simply to fit in with your political agenda.
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Oh really? For "months" you say. Well golly, that should trivially easy for you to prove. Tell you what you can do for us, link to those month old posts where I was talking about the memo and "misrepresenting unconfirmed guesses as facts, simply to fit in with your political agenda."

Heck I'll give you five minutes! Should be a real no brainer.

Tick tock.

3:22 cst....
 
gregthehammer said:
I don't believe Checkmite is disagreeing with ThaiboxerKen, I think he is just expanding on what Thaiboxerken was saying, as you seemed confused.
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Nope, one guy is saying it was not a big deal to people, just trump supporters (not people), the other was saying not a big deal at all.

Not confused at all.
 
The Big Dog said:
Nope, one guy is saying it was not a big deal to people, just trump supporters (not people), the other was saying not a big deal at all.

Not confused at all.
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It seems to me you are reading into ThaiboxerKen's post words that he did not say. And I still get the impression Checkmite was just expanding on that.
Guess we could just ask them outright.

Thaiboxerken, do you believe Trump supporters are people or not?

Checkmite, was the purpose of your post to disagree with ThaiboxerKen?

Just want to clear up confusion on the board.
thanks
 
Hellbound said:
I find this interesting.

Considering you've been assuring us all, for a while now, that this was a fact, and definitely the case...now you're saying the memo is what confirms it.

Even assuming that's true, that means that for months you've been misrepresenting unconfirmed guesses as facts, simply to fit in with your political agenda.

If you give me five minutes, I'm sure I can get my shocked face on.
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Say, it has been MORE than five minutes and you did not come up with any posts at all?

Huh, well to tell a confidential family secret, my very first post in this thread was: yesterday.

that means that for minutes you've been misrepresenting totally false claims as facts, simply to fit in with your political agenda.
 
The Big Dog said:
Say, it has been MORE than five minutes and you did not come up with any posts at all?

Huh, well to tell a confidential family secret, my very first post in this thread was: yesterday.

that means that for minutes you've been misrepresenting totally false claims as facts, simply to fit in with your political agenda.
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Sorry, poor choice of posts to quote for what I was referring to. I meant to refer to the claims in this post:

The Big Dog said:
The Memo shows the: 1) Clinton campaign paid for the “Dossier.” 2) The FBI helped prepare the Dossier. 3) FBI couldn’t have gotten the warrant from FISA without the Dossier. 4) the FBI leadership knew the basis for the warrant was a political hit job.

#treasonadjacent
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#1 and #3 you've been barking about on these forums for some time (and note I said forums, nothing referred to this specific thread). Admittedly, 3 is inferred, but you have commented that the entire investigation is based on that dossier, and there wouldn't be one without it. Not exactly the same, so I'll give you that on a technicality.

If you insist, I'll find specific posts.

On the above, I was incorrect, and obviously confusing him with another poster.

As to my political agenda, you don't even know what it is, except I don't care for Trump. Just as an FYI, though, I've NEVER been a member of either political party (I register independent), I've supported both Republican and Democrat candidates in the past, and my entire family is pretty firmly Republican (except for me).

My political agenda is pretty simple: not to let the country I've fought and bled for turn it's back on everything that makes it worth that.
 
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Stacko said:
There's some curious phrasing that seeing the underlying materials would help clear up.
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It's all about the carefully crafted framing which isn't the straight-forward 'FISA warrant illegally obtained'. That's what the media is concentrating on while the other message is no doubt getting louder and louder in the alt-reality echo chamber. From Stacko's link (and essentially from the memo page 5):
Furthermore, Deputy Director McCabe testified before the Committee in December 2017 that no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the FISC without the Steele dossier information.
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The Democratic memo says that is false. They want McCabe's testimony transcript released.

And even if true, McCabe is not the bottom line here. But the Trump narrative builders no doubt are trying to make it so.

Common sense says it's absurd. Carter Page was being investigated years before he ever joined the Trump ship. The FBI was investigating Russian interference in the election before Trump even won the GOP nomination.

The Trump Tower meeting wasn't discovered because there was wiretapping going on, "it was disclosed to U.S. government officials when Kushner filed a revised version of his security clearance form." [from:"Trump Team Met With Lawyer Linked to Kremlin During Campaign". The New York Times. July 12, 2017.]
 
NoahFence said:
WHY would that even matter?

Really. Who cares where the information came from? Is the information accurate or not? Geeze, lets get a special prosecutor on the case and find out! All we need to do now is sit down, shut the **** up and let the man do his job.
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Tic tock....
 
Just reading the memo. I've not read any commentary on it yet, including replies in this thread.

The first thing I note is that the memo says that Carter Page worked for the Trump campaign. Kellyanne Conway claimed he didn't.

I love the irony of this memo claiming that relevant information has been omitted in an important official document, while omitting relevant information.

That's about it, really.
 
The Big Dog said:
yeah, I insist.

(protip: dunno who you were thinking of, but it sure as **** was not me.)
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You have my apologies. I'd have sworn you'd made those statements, but I can't find them and don't feel up to an exhaustive search.

I've modified my original posts to indicate the error (the comments are still there, but crossed out, with an explanation below).
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Just reading the memo. I've not read any commentary on it yet, including replies in this thread.

The first thing I note is that the memo says that Carter Page worked for the Trump campaign. Kellyanne Conway claimed he didn't.

I love the irony of this memo claiming that relevant information has been omitted in an important official document, while omitting relevant information.

That's about it, really.
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In general the memo is more notable for what it unwittingly lets slip through the veil of publican doublethink than any new accusations it brings.
 
TBD seems to be focused solely on character assassination of the person in trumps crosshairs at any given time, rather than substantive discussions on the merits of any content.
 
"As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation."
- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.)
 
The_Animus said:
"As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation."
- Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.)
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When Trey Gowdy isn't willing to follow you into a pointless investigation designed solely to damage your political opponents, you must have royally ********** up.
 
The Big Dog said:
orin kerr knows dick all about FISC
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He's a professor of law at one of the best graduate law schools in the US, is a graduate of Harvard law school, and has worked in a legal capacity for the Library of Congress and several senators. What are your legal qualifications?
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
He's a professor of law at one of the best graduate law schools in the US, is a graduate of Harvard law school, and has worked in a legal capacity for the Library of Congress and several senators. What are your legal qualifications?
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I know the difference between a secret court and a non-secret court.

Puts me one up on your buddy.
 
The Big Dog said:
FISA abuse & political weaponization of FBI/DOJ to influence the election of the President of the United States.

No wonder Pelosi and her gang of misfits were panicking the last few days.
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Misfits indeed! Pelosi's "gang" includes:

  • Trump's Justice Dept.
  • Trump-appointed FBI director
  • John McCain "we are doing Putin’s job for him"
  • Lindsey Graham "A partisan memo"
  • Jeff Flake "risks undermining U.S. intelligence-gathering efforts, politicizing Congress’ oversight role"
  • Charlie Dent "sets a dangerous precedent that may have far reaching implications"
  • Susan Collins: "Oversight of the intelligence community, the FISA process, and this investigation are far too important to be tarnished by partisanship"
  • James Comey "Dishonest and misleading"

Republicans one and all.
 
gregthehammer said:
It seems to me you are reading into ThaiboxerKen's post words that he did not say. And I still get the impression Checkmite was just expanding on that.
Guess we could just ask them outright.

Thaiboxerken, do you believe Trump supporters are people or not?

Checkmite, was the purpose of your post to disagree with ThaiboxerKen?

Just want to clear up confusion on the board.
thanks
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Correct. No one was convinced by Nunes memo. Those who accept Nunes memo as "fact" or "evidence" of FBI corruption already believed it because they believe Trump is their dear leader.

Anyone who is not a Trump supporter have not been persuaded by this memo that there is corruption in the FBI. In fact, I believe this memo has convinced more people that Trump is desperately trying to stop the Russia investigation.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Just reading the memo. I've not read any commentary on it yet, including replies in this thread.

The first thing I note is that the memo says that Carter Page worked for the Trump campaign. Kellyanne Conway claimed he didn't.

I love the irony of this memo claiming that relevant information has been omitted in an important official document, while omitting relevant information.

That's about it, really.
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That's a good catch. The thing about telling lies is that one has to remember all of the other lies preceding those lies. Trump and his regime have contradicted themselves many times because of this.
 
It appears that Trump and his supporters are no longer carrying water for the GOP or Republicans. They are all about Trump and his regime. They are attacking all Republicans who are not loyal.

This memo is a precursor to an attempt to purge the government of non-loyalists AND to disband FISA so that the FBI becomes Trump's personal bureau that can wire-tap anyone he wants them to and spy on his political enemies without any checks or balances.
 
thaiboxerken said:
It appears that Trump and his supporters are no longer carrying water for the GOP or Republicans. They are all about Trump and his regime. They are attacking all Republicans who are not loyal.

This memo is a precursor to an attempt to purge the government of non-loyalists AND to disband FISA so that the FBI becomes Trump's personal bureau that can wire-tap anyone he wants them to and spy on his political enemies without any checks or balances.
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That's pretty much what Obama did, according to the Trumpists, so why shouldn't Trump?
 
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