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Old 7th March 2018, 11:29 AM   #1
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Shocking behaviour in US courts.

"A Texas court of appeals has ordered a new trial for a convicted sex offender after a Fort Worth judge instructed his bailiff to administer an electric shock to the defendant three separate times with a stun belt for failing to follow courtroom decorum."


https://www.law.com/texaslawyer/2018...20180207132332

Sounds like his 'defence' attorney wasn't much better.

"Bill Ray, a Fort Worth defense attorney who represented Morris at trial, said he did not object to Gallagher shocking his client at the time because Morris was allegedly behaving like a “loaded cannon ready to go off.”"
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Old 8th March 2018, 01:36 AM   #2
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Not much in the link without registering. I thought standard procedure if the defendant refuses to behave themselves would be to remove the defendant and allow them to watch on TV.
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Old 8th March 2018, 01:48 AM   #3
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I'm shocked to hear this. It's just a pity that such an electrifying story is behind a paywall. Without the rest of the article, it's hard to say what other potential difference there might be without more current information.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5f647626ec51

I particularly liked this line:

"The judge, contacted by The Post, declined to comment, citing judicial ethics."
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It blocks me now, didn't when I posted. The WP also has a paywall.

This one seems ok.

http://www.star-telegram.com/latest-...203890369.html
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Old 8th March 2018, 03:23 AM   #6
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FWIW: WP paywall is negated by 'incognito' browsing, or similar.
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Old 8th March 2018, 05:21 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5f647626ec51

I particularly liked this line:

"The judge, contacted by The Post, declined to comment, citing judicial ethics."
LOL. The only place in a court room that judge belongs is as a defendant himself. As I read that article, it seems very much that "judge" Gallagher punished defendant Morris for no other reason than that Morris had filed a motion that Gallagher recuse himself. I wondered about this sentence though:
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Morris told Gallagher he had a history of mental illness.
Who is the "he" in that sentence? From the article, judge Gallagher seems the most obvious suspect.
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Old 8th March 2018, 05:24 AM   #8
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I'm shocked to hear this. It's just a pity that such an electrifying story is behind a paywall. Without the rest of the article, it's hard to say what other potential difference there might be without more current information.
Summary: the judge was miffed that the defendant had the capacity to put up an effective resistance.
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Old 8th March 2018, 05:25 AM   #9
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And really, stun belts in a courtroom? What kind of third world country are you?

Besides the judge, also the Kapo, sorry, I mean the bailiff who carried out his orders should be prosecuted for aggravated assault and torture.
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Old 8th March 2018, 05:39 AM   #10
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I'm shocked to hear this. It's just a pity that such an electrifying story is behind a paywall. Without the rest of the article, it's hard to say what other potential difference there might be without more current information.
I see you're amped for this story.
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Old 8th March 2018, 07:21 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
I see you're amped for this story.

Potential for a mistrial, ground for dismissal, will the circuit court take a look, switch Judges?
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Summary: the judge was miffed that the defendant had the capacity to put up an effective resistance.
Sounds like the defendant will need help from a P.I., probably best to bring in Sherlock Ohms!!
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To handle really shocking activity in the court!!!
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Old 8th March 2018, 07:45 PM   #14
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Was this a situation a person would be permitted to use a taser?
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It was a bit of a shock because he wasn't quite dead.
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Originally Posted by ddt View Post
Summary: the judge was miffed that the defendant had the capacity to put up an effective resistance.
Originally Posted by bobdroege7 View Post
Potential for a mistrial, ground for dismissal, will the circuit court take a look, switch Judges?
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Sounds like the defendant will need help from a P.I., probably best to bring in Sherlock Ohms!!
The puns in this thread are revolting. You should all be charged.
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IIRC, you're only allowed to engage the stun belt to prevent escape or in self defense/defense of others. It's not to be used for pain compliance.
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Old 11th March 2018, 07:00 AM   #18
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The puns in this thread are revolting. You should all be charged.
Indeed, we should all conduct ourselves better.
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Ohm my god, watts up with that!
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I thought judges were expected to use their judicial power?

Why all this resistance?

Current events suggest this we shouldn't provide impedance to this type of action.

ETA: I would've thought this sort of thing would happen in D.C.

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Originally Posted by bobdroege7 View Post
Potential for a mistrial, ground for dismissal, will the circuit court take a look, switch Judges?
Nice.
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Indeed, we should all conduct ourselves better.
It's revolting.
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The puns in this thread are revolting. You should all be charged.
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It's revolting.
I'm not even mad.
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I'm not even mad.
It's revolting!
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I don't get it.
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Revolting!!!!
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I don't get it.
Well, at least you're down to earth coz some of these dudes is totally wired.
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This isn't "Judge Judy Gets Punk'd", is it? Tell me it isn't...
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The whole thread is shocking.
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Did the defendant get a chance to say if it actually hertz?
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Did the defendant get a chance to say if it actually hertz?
I don't think he had the capacity to do so.
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Every time I think the puns can't get any worse, someone finds a way to amp it up.
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Every time I think the puns can't get any worse, someone finds a way to amp it up.
I'm certainly out of my element and would like a discharge from any capacity to continue resisting any... zener diodes...or something.
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I'm certainly out of my element and would like a discharge from any capacity to continue resisting any... zener diodes...or something.
I think you just sined the threads death warrant.
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I think you just sined the threads death warrant.
Ohmy word, that's not going to prove any impedance to the flow of puns.
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This isn't "Judge Judy Gets Punk'd", is it? Tell me it isn't...
Wants to channel a direct answer and not alternating ones.
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Every time I think the puns can't get any worse, someone finds a way to amp it up.
Resistance is futile.
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