Cont: The Trump Presidency VI

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Nobody is denying his talent for acquiring things or working himself into a position of control. The problems are what comes next. ngerous period. .


Trump has been compared to Cersei in Game of Thrones.....someone who is very good at scheming to get into a position of power, but once in is totally inept in wielding it.
 
Trump has been compared to Cersei in Game of Thrones.....someone who is very good at scheming to get into a position of power, but once in is totally inept in wielding it.

I would also like to add that he was in a business with regulatory capture, limited permitting, and you were forced to deal with him because of a limited supply of land.
 
Actually we’ve always had Politics in our agency’s, it just hasn’t been this blatant. The former fool president did his level best to politicize our Itelligence community.

You mean like how he appointed a Republican to head of the FBI?
 
Well who the hell do you think I was working for when I went through Crim Law at FLETC, the Boy Scouts?

I have no idea. You're an anonymous person on a message board. The Department of Justice's website is the official website of the Department of Justice, and one of the documents I cited is the official guidelines for federal law enforcement agents. You'll forgive me if I give more credence to what it says than to what you say.
 
Trump has been compared to Cersei in Game of Thrones.....someone who is very good at scheming to get into a position of power, but once in is totally inept in wielding it.

Let's hope he doesn't do a nude stroll to atone his sins.
 
But the crimes are price fixing, bid rigging. Collusion to do those things constitute elements of those crimes. You can still collude to do all kinds of things that are perfectly legal. You cannot conspire legally because all conspiracy is predicated on a crime.

Hmmm. It is confusing. You say conspiracy is predicated on a crime. But I don't think that's true.
John and Mary conspired to get Bob to the doctor without him knowing the appointment was for him.​

WikiDiff says collusion is toward an illegal goal.

WikiDiff:
As nouns the difference between conspiracy and collusion is that conspiracy is the act of two or more persons, called conspirators, working secretly to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations while collusion is a secret agreement for an illegal purpose; conspiracy.


Consipracy:Noun
(conspiracies)
The act of two or more persons, called conspirators, working secretly to obtain some goal, usually understood with negative connotations.
(legal) An agreement between two or more persons to break the law at some time in the future.
A group of ravens.
(linguistics) A situation in which different phonological or grammatical rules lead to similar or related outcomes.

Collusion:
A secret agreement for an illegal purpose; conspiracy.

It still seems to me Trumpers are trying to discredit the charges by saying collusion is not a crime. The semantics are a distraction. What matters are the facts.
 
I'll certainly grant you that it's probably accurate to say that the more Trump surrounds himself with yes-men, the more he'll feel like he's got the presidency he wants.

I believe it's part of his mental disorder. He can't ever be wrong (in his mind). So when things don't go well (as defined by negative publicity), he blames others, imagining had he done it his way all would be fine. Even if his memory of what his way was could be completely divorced from reality.

So he imagines he knew better, fires the people he has scapegoated, and hires people Trump believes agree with him.
 
Yes.

But that’s the semantic trap I was suggesting we avoid.

In practical use the terms are synonymous.

And we’re practical folks!
And, what matters is the actual crime. How we or any other lay person labels it is irrelevant. ...

and a distraction.
 
We're now about an hour away from the 60 minutes interview. I wonder what sort of drastic distraction The PDJT is going to come up with this time?
 
We're now about an hour away from the 60 minutes interview. I wonder what sort of drastic distraction The PDJT is going to come up with this time?



If I could be bothered to bet, I’d say fire Jared or announce more trade war shenanigans, with the latter being more likely.
 
I hope I'm wrong. I'd love it if Stormy Daniels drops a killer bombshell during this interview, but I admit I doubt it. Anything, promoted this heavily is likely to be a huge letdown.
 
Hmmm. It is confusing. You say conspiracy is predicated on a crime. But I don't think that's true.
John and Mary conspired to get Bob to the doctor without him knowing the appointment was for him.​

WikiDiff says collusion is toward an illegal goal.

WikiDiff:


It still seems to me Trumpers are trying to discredit the charges by saying collusion is not a crime. The semantics are a distraction. What matters are the facts.

This is sort of the ultimate in words matter. What you're describing is a couple of people getting some guy to a doctor without him knowing he was going, that's just a couple of people getting some guy to the doctor without him knowing what's going on. They may be colluding but they are not, in a legal sense conspiring.

When you talk about what Mueller is investigating, all conspiracy is a crime. Remember how I said all crimes have elements? It's not Webster's definition that matters here, it's Title 18 of the US Code, or the criminal code of the United States. Conspiracy is two or more people (in practical terms based on precedent decision older than me) or three people when one is a government officer or informant communicate to violate the law and one or more of those people (not an agent or informant) engage in a material act to further that criminal act. So, when we talk about conspiracy with regard to the Mueller investigation, we are only talking about a criminal act.

The importance here is that you can't say someone is guilty of collusion which is not a crime. You can say they are guilty of conspiracy which as specific elements and can be defined as a crime.
 
I have no idea. You're an anonymous person on a message board. The Department of Justice's website is the official website of the Department of Justice, and one of the documents I cited is the official guidelines for federal law enforcement agents. You'll forgive me if I give more credence to what it says than to what you say.

In that case, I find it darkly comic that you referenced a document (Primer for Law Enforcement which also references 18 USC all over it) that I used to have carry around hard copy and spend hours reading over beer and low country boil at the "Gay Bar" in Glenco, GA 25 years ago. Makes me want to scratch at the chigger bites all over again.
 
I know there is a lot of other things going on, but can someone help me out: Repubs are criticizing Trump for caving to Democrats to sign this omnibus spending bill. But correct me if I am wrong, the bill was passed by both chambers of Congress, which are both controlled by the GOP.

Granted, the house of reps is pretty much pointless these days, but the bill was supported by the GOP in the senate.

That it was a rejection of the things Trump wanted shows that the Senators don't care what he wants. That's not a democrat vs republican issue. It's all of them
 
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Told line-item veto was ruled unconstitutional, Mnuchin says: “Congress can pass a rule that allows them to do it.” Told Congress would have to pass a constitutional amendment, Mnuchin says on Fox: “We don’t need to get into a debate ... There are different ways of doing this.”

All the best people. :p
 
People seem to be saying that this tweet from Trump is telling us that he tricked the Dems in to giving him the money for the military so they can build his wall for him.

Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich. Building a great Border Wall, with drugs (poison) and enemy combatants pouring into our Country, is all about National Defense. Build WALL through M!
 
If I remember correctly, Congress at one time passed a line-item veto authority and then the Republicans were the ones who challenged it in court, and won

Granted, hypocrisy is a republican virtue.

Mnuchin, like his boss is a moron. Presidents have been asking for the line item veto all of my life. That Congress gave the President this power it was struck down by the Court 6 to 3 in Clinton v New York. It violates the Presentments clause of the Constitution and before Logger goes Nuts about Liberal Judges. 4 of the 6 were appointed by Republican presidents including Rhenquist and Clarence Thomas.
 
If I remember correctly, Congress at one time passed a line-item veto authority and then the Republicans were the ones who challenged it in court, and won

Granted, hypocrisy is a republican virtue.

As I remember, George H Bush wanted it first. Newt and the Republicans gave it to Clinton, it was ruled to be unconstitutional.
 
As I remember, George H Bush wanted it first. Newt and the Republicans gave it to Clinton, it was ruled to be unconstitutional.

Carter asked for it. Reagan asked for it Bush 41 did, Clinton did and Congress gave it to him but the Court stuck the provision down,
 
I hope Gen Kelly was watching last night. He's now got a new way to keep his charge under control. Just spank his bare butt with a rolled up magazine with Trump's picture on it and he'll fall right in line.
 
Isn't this about what one expected?


His business career, outside of a narrow field of real estate developments, was a disaster. Any wonder he's turning out to be a horrible president?

And his real estate deals are not so hot either. If he had held onto his fathers slums the gentrification of the area would have made him far far richer than he is now.
 
Why wouldn't he? At what point in the past has the '**** the rules, I'll just do what I want' tactic failed him and his extended family?

When Kushners Dad was put in prison by Chris Christie? My favorite part was the witness tampering of getting a prostitute to seduce his brother in-law and give the tape to his sister.
 
I hope I'm wrong. I'd love it if Stormy Daniels drops a killer bombshell during this interview, but I admit I doubt it. Anything, promoted this heavily is likely to be a huge letdown.

Likely, no one seems all that focused on the criminal campaign finance element of this and the likely criminal conspiracy around it.
 
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