Cont: All things Trump + Russia Part 3

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seayakin said:
I think others may have said this but Putin must have more than pee pee tapes. My guess is Putin could collapse the house of cards that make up Trumps businesses.
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I have said exactly that. Trump says he doesn't have investments in Russia but there is a lot of money from there in his businesses. That of course may mean nothing. But Trump doesn't have an ethical bone in his body so I could see him doing anything and everything. It also wouldn't surprise me that Russian hookers entertained him. IIRC Trump said he was offered prostitutes while he was there but turned it down. Now does that sound like Trump? I mean really? This guy hangs around in women's dressing rooms as live porn.

This guy is a compulsive in every way with ZERO self control.
 
acbytesla said:
That's not the only reason. But they did make a big deal about that. That he corrected the kid who spelled it right was hilarious though. Ooops.
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Joke from back then -

Q: What are the scariest words in the English language?

A: "Dan, I don't feel so good"


Now we have a POTUS who might actually be a criminal and a VP who is Dominionist that joke doesn't really work with the current administration, does it?
 
seayakin said:
I think others may have said this but Putin must have more than pee pee tapes. My guess is Putin could collapse the house of cards that make up Trumps businesses.


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WilliamSeger said:
I think it's worse; I think it's probably something that would send him to jail (which would collapse the house of cards that make up his ego).
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seayakin said:
Not going to argue with that. I believe this is true also.


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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michael-cohens-ties-to-russia-crime-and-trump-w518941


Cohen joined the Trump Organization in 2006, and eventually became Trump's personal lawyer, a role once occupied by Roy Cohn, Senator Joseph McCarthy's heavy-lidded hatchet man during the Red Scare who advised Trump in the 1980s. Michael Cohen's bare-knuckled tactics earned him the nickname of "Tom," a reference to Tom Hagen, the consigliore to Mafia Don Vito Corleone in The Godfather. He grew up on Long Island, the son of a physician who survived the Holocaust in Poland, and like Tom Hagen spent a childhood around organized crime, specifically the Russian Mafiya. Cohen's uncle, Morton Levine, was a wealthy Brooklyn doctor who owned the El Caribe Country Club, a Brooklyn catering hall and event space that was a well-known hangout for Russian gangsters. Cohen and his siblings all had ownership stakes in the club, which rented for years to the first Mafiya boss of Brighton Beach, Evsei Agron, along with his successors, Marat Balagula and Boris Nayfeld. (Cohen's uncle said his nephew gave up his stake in the club after Trump's election.)
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During Trump's presidential run, reporters noticed a curious thing about Cohen. Questions about Trump's business or his taxes went to his chief legal officer or another staffer, but Cohen handled questions about Russia. "One of the things that we learned that caught my interest," Simpson testified to Congress in November 2017, "serious questions about Donald Trump's activities in Russia and the former Soviet Union went to Michael Cohen, and that he was the only person who had information on that subject or was in a position to answer those questions."
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An investigation by Reuters found that at least 63 individuals with Russian passports or addresses have bought at least $98.4 million worth of property in the seven Trump-branded luxury towers. And that was a conservative estimate. At least 703 – or about one-third – of the 2044 units were owned by limited liability companies, or LLCs, which could conceal the property's true owner. Executives from Gazprom and other Russian natural resource giants also owned units in Trump's Sunny Isles towers. In an observation that several people I spoke with echoed, Kenneth McCallion, a former prosecutor who tracked the flows of Russian criminal money into Trump's properties, told me, "Trump's genius – or evil genius – was, instead of Russian criminal money being passive, incidental income, it became a central part of his business plan." McCallion continued, "It's not called 'Little Moscow' for nothing. The street signs are in Russian. But his towers there were built specifically for the Russian middle-class criminal."
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Upchurch said:
The story that claims that there is evidence that the Prague story is true? Thats your evidence that the story is bunk?
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To be fair, we don't know the evidence yet. The dog is too quick to claim it's false, but let's not be too quick to claim it's true.

ETA: I referred to TBD above, but Upchurch was replying to logger. Sorry to both.
 
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WilliamSeger said:
No, it's not "more" evidence; it's the same evidence on a different site. Patience, logger: With or without Mueller, the FBI will eventually reveal everything they can prove.
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Reminds me of a favorite from Monty Python, from the skit with aliens turning people into Scotsmen:
Charles: Now, which is the worst tennis-playing nation in the world?
She: Er ... Australia.
Charles: No. Try again.
She: Australia?
Charles: (testily) No... try again but say a different place.
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WilliamSeger said:
I think it's worse; I think it's probably something that would send him to jail (which would collapse the house of cards that make up his ego).
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seayakin said:
Not going to argue with that. I believe this is true also.
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Nah. Wouldn't faze him. He would go there without ever doubting that he had done nothing wrong and was being ill-treated by vicious detractors with ulterior motives.

And his supporters would believe him.
 
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/986576502358671361

Slippery James Comey, the worst FBI Director in history, was not fired because of the phony Russia investigation where, by the way, there was NO COLLUSION (except by the Dems)!
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-heres-why-thats-big/?utm_term=.defe59670a12

But regardless of recommendation, I was going to fire Comey, knowing there was no good time to do it.

And in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself — I said, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made-up story. It's an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should've won.
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tyr_13 said:
That's...not actually better. 'Was working with Russians to manipulate the election for personal gain' is a huge problem, but 'was used by the Russians manipulating the election because he's a criminally negligent, arrogant, moron' is also a huge problem.
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One would be high treason, the other wouldn't. He couldn't get impeached for merely being negligent or naive, but I'd bet you if he was found guilty of treason his biggest die hard supporters would turn quiet.

tyr_13 said:
Also, what? What problem has the strong suspicion of collusion with the Russians caused?
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By having Trump in their sights this whole time during the course of the investigation and not allowing Mueller to just do his job quietly, Trump opponents are setting themselves up for failure. They'll be rubbing it in Democrat faces when they find nothing personally on Trump.
 
Venom said:
By having Trump in their sights this whole time during the course of the investigation and not allowing Mueller to just do his job quietly, Trump opponents are setting themselves up for failure. They'll be rubbing it in Democrat faces when they find nothing personally on Trump.
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I view this as nonsense. The Democrats have hardly been arguing that Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russians. They have just said that Mueller should be allowed to follow the evidence where it may follow.
 
Venom said:
One would be high treason, the other wouldn't. He couldn't get impeached for merely being negligent or naive, but I'd bet you if he was found guilty of treason his biggest die hard supporters would turn quiet.
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Fair point on the treason issue. However, he can indeed be impeached and removed from office for negligence. Besides being a political process, many forms of negligence are indeed criminal.



By having Trump in their sights this whole time during the course of the investigation and not allowing Mueller to just do his job quietly, Trump opponents are setting themselves up for failure. They'll be rubbing it in Democrat faces when they find nothing personally on Trump.
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First, we already have obstruction on Trump. The issue you bring up is with some of the Democratic base, but the Democrats themselves have actually been pretty good about arguing for the Mueller to do the job without just sitting their sights on Trump. This is very advantageous because it's looking more and more like the RNC is in hot water itself. In addition, there have already been charges and guilty pleas, on people who you will note are not Trump.

I don't see this backfiring if for no other reason than it doesn't matter to most remaining Republicans what the fact or truth is; they'll be 'rubbing it in our face' regardless of that most unimportant nuance that is reality.
 
acbytesla said:
I view this as nonsense. The Democrats have hardly been arguing that Trump is guilty of collusion with the Russians. They have just said that Mueller should be allowed to follow the evidence where it may follow.
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tyr_13 said:
First, we already have obstruction on Trump. The issue you bring up is with some of the Democratic base, but the Democrats themselves have actually been pretty good about arguing for the Mueller to do the job without just sitting their sights on Trump.
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The media frenzy doesn't help at all, following every little lead, no matter the red herring potential, branching into jokes about Moscow hookers and his alleged relationship with Putin himself. Tell a joke enough times and it starts sounding like the truth.
 
https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2018/04/19/michael-cohen-drops-buzzfeed-fusion-lawsuit-537327

Embattled attorney Michael Cohen has dropped a pair of much-touted libel suits against BuzzFeed and the private investigation firm Fusion GPS over publication of the so-called dossier detailing alleged ties between President Donald Trump and Russia.

Cohen abandoned the suits late Wednesday as he continues to fight to recover documents and electronic files seized from his home, office and hotel room last week by federal authorities as part of what appears to be a broad criminal investigation into his conduct.

"The decision to voluntarily discontinue these cases was a difficult one," Cohen's attorney David Schwartz said. "We believe the defendants defamed my client, and vindicating Mr. Cohen’s rights was — and still remains — important. But given the events that have unfolded, and the time, attention, and resources needed to prosecute these matters, we have dismissed the matters, despite their merits."

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tyr_13 said:
it's looking more and more like the RNC is in hot water itself.
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This is what I'm increasingly leaning toward to explain why the GOP continues to rally around Trump. They should be in full scale damage control mode, not circling the wagons around some loser who is already the worst president in history.

But if Trump tapped into a vein of deep corruption within the GOP itself, which his downfall would bring to light...
 
Beelzebuddy said:
This is what I'm increasingly leaning toward to explain why the GOP continues to rally around Trump. They should be in full scale damage control mode, not circling the wagons around some loser who is already the worst president in history.

But if Trump tapped into a vein of deep corruption within the GOP itself, which his downfall would bring to light...
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Its possible that the GOP is rallying around Trump because their shared history of corrupt activities.

But, its also possible that its just political survival. Yes, Trump might be the iceberg that sunk the S.S. Titanic (driving off moderates and independents for the upcoming mid-terms and the 2020 election, and making minorities less likely to support the party in the future.) But the alternative is just as damaging. Trump has a firm control over the bigots in the republican party (which, it appears, seems to be pretty much everyone now.) Go against Trump and not only will you not get the moderates back, but you also risk losing what little voter base you have. So the choice is either: Support Trump and risk a humiliating defeat, or go against trump and get absolutely slaughtered.

Can't say I have any sympathy for them at this point.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
This is what I'm increasingly leaning toward to explain why the GOP continues to rally around Trump. They should be in full scale damage control mode, not circling the wagons around some loser who is already the worst president in history.

But if Trump tapped into a vein of deep corruption within the GOP itself, which his downfall would bring to light...
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Segnosaur said:
Its possible that the GOP is rallying around Trump because their shared history of corrupt activities.

But, its also possible that its just political survival. Yes, Trump might be the iceberg that sunk the S.S. Titanic (driving off moderates and independents for the upcoming mid-terms and the 2020 election, and making minorities less likely to support the party in the future.) But the alternative is just as damaging. Trump has a firm control over the bigots in the republican party (which, it appears, seems to be pretty much everyone now.) Go against Trump and not only will you not get the moderates back, but you also risk losing what little voter base you have. So the choice is either: Support Trump and risk a humiliating defeat, or go against trump and get absolutely slaughtered.

Can't say I have any sympathy for them at this point.
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I thought it was all political calculus and the inevitable endpoint of the base the Republicans have cultivated, and I still think that explains most of it.

However, we have an RNC deputy finance chair and 'lawyer' having his office raided, who help pay off the mistress of another RNC deputy finance chair (that one stepped down), with the only other client being one of Fox News' largest stars. That RNC deputy is under investigation for campaign finance violations (and other things). Now, the 'sleazy rich guy who use women as toys' club might explain a lot of that, and that's the angle I think has the most likelihood. But it can't be ruled out that this is a widespread network inside the RNC that has been violating campaign finance laws, possibly including foreign influence and 'closely coordinated' tactics with Fox.

It will be interesting to see where the evidence leads.
 
Segnosaur said:
Its possible that the GOP is rallying around Trump because their shared history of corrupt activities.

But, its also possible that its just political survival. Yes, Trump might be the iceberg that sunk the S.S. Titanic (driving off moderates and independents for the upcoming mid-terms and the 2020 election, and making minorities less likely to support the party in the future.) But the alternative is just as damaging. Trump has a firm control over the bigots in the republican party (which, it appears, seems to be pretty much everyone now.) Go against Trump and not only will you not get the moderates back, but you also risk losing what little voter base you have. So the choice is either: Support Trump and risk a humiliating defeat, or go against trump and get absolutely slaughtered.

Can't say I have any sympathy for them at this point.
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Lol

Might it be possible that the GOP rallies around Trump because he’s been superb in passing and pushing policies of the GOP?
 
logger said:
Lol

Might it be possible that the GOP rallies around Trump because he’s been superb in passing and pushing policies of the GOP?
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That certainly might be possible, if it were actually true. But Trump has been a spectacularly ineffective president, and has often pushed policies that are not only not GOP policies, but the opposite of GOP policies - the most notable of late being the tariffs on steel and aluminium.
 
logger said:
Lol

Might it be possible that the GOP rallies around Trump because he’s been superb in passing and pushing policies of the GOP?
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Yeah like the way he got health care reform passed.
No, wait a minute.

Actually Trump has very few "victories" as president. Only one major piece of legislation (tax reform), and Trump had very little input in that. And he did get an anti-abortion justice appointed to the supreme court, but again, most of the work there was done by republican senators obstructing Obama. Lots of executive orders passed, but then any republican could have done the same.

Plus, as others have pointed out, some of his policies (e.g. anti-free trade) have actually been in opposition to traditional conservative policies.

Meanwhile, Trump's toxicity and habit of alienating moderates, minorities, and non-racists will probably mean that the GOP won't have any more success in getting their policies passed in the future.
 
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logger said:
Lol

Might it be possible that the GOP rallies around Trump because he’s been superb in passing and pushing policies of the GOP?
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You're kidding right?

There is a Republican House, a Republican Senate a conservative Supreme Court and he's also a Republican President. He damn well should be able to get some Republican priorities passed. Yet, he failed on Obamacare, has failed on infrastructure, The White House hasn't sponsored and passed a single bill. Sure the President has signed a few bills that has made it to his desk, but any Republican should be able to do that.

The wall has gone NOWHERE. He's implemented tariffs which most Republicans oppose. If Trump had any capabilities it should be with Infrastructure. Something as a builder, you would think he would understand and support. It's also an area which pretty much EVERYONE knows is a need. But it's been zilch.
 
acbytesla said:
You're kidding right?

There is a Republican House, a Republican Senate a conservative Supreme Court and he's also a Republican President. He damn well should be able to get some Republican priorities passed. Yet, he failed on Obamacare, has failed on infrastructure, The White House hasn't sponsored and passed a single bill. Sure the President has signed a few bills that has made it to his desk, but any Republican should be able to do that.

The wall has gone NOWHERE. He's implemented tariffs which most Republicans oppose. If Trump had any capabilities it should be with Infrastructure. Something as a builder, you would think he would understand and support. It's also an area which pretty much EVERYONE knows is a need. But it's been zilch.
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Err... it looks like you’re agreeing? You said he should be able to get some passed, so they aren’t rallying around him to cover for some sinister conspiracy?

Anyway, he’s done more at this time for the GOP cause then any other republican president, thank you! :thumbsup:
 
Segnosaur said:
Yeah like the way he got health care reform passed.
No, wait a minute.

Actually Trump has very few "victories" as president. Only one major piece of legislation (tax reform), and Trump had very little input in that. And he did get an anti-abortion justice appointed to the supreme court, but again, most of the work there was done by republican senators obstructing Obama. Lots of executive orders passed, but then any republican could have done the same.

Plus, as others have pointed out, some of his policies (e.g. anti-free trade) have actually been in opposition to traditional conservative policies.

Meanwhile, Trump's toxicity and habit of alienating moderates, minorities, and non-racists will probably mean that the GOP won't have any more success in getting their policies passed in the future.
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Lol

You name one thing? Lol yes I’ll take that and put it up against the hundreds of smaller things he’s done. How many federal judges is it now? McConnell strategically blocked so many of Oidiots appointees, now Trump is sailing them through. :thumbsup:
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Re: UN Ambassador Haley[b/]...
She's a woman working under the Trump administration... shouldn't she know what her role is and how females are supposed to be treated?
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She isn't invited to the White House Bible study group.
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That's too bad. I head Trump was going to do a reading from Two Corinthians.

Seriously, I've seen praise for Haley coming from people over her stance over the "confusion" issue. But at the end of the day, she is still working for a racist and a bigot, and regardless of how much she stands up to him or others in the white house, she is still working to advance the agenda of a pussy-grabber who regularly belittles women (as well as various minorities). Rather than praising her, every attempt should be made to point out how her stance would be respected more if she wasn't working for a racist orangutan.
 
Russia: We told US where in Syria they could not bomb

Sky News said:
Russia has revealed it warned the US about "red lines" it should not cross before it launched airstrikes on Syria.

Foreign minister Sergei Lavrov is reported to have said that officials in Washington were contacted before last weekend's strikes by the US, UK and France.

Mr Lavrov said: "There were military leadership contacts, between generals, between our representatives and the coalition leadership.

"They were informed about where our red lines are, including red lines on the ground, geographically. And the results show that they did not cross these red lines."
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"Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and 'smart!' Where can we bomb, please?"
 
House Intelligence Committee report clears Trump of collusion

The 253-page report found no evidence of collusion, but did cite “poor judgment” and “ill-considered actions” on part of the Trump team and Hillary Clinton's campaign.

“While the committee found no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded, coordinated, or conspired with the Russian government, the investigation did find poor judgment and ill-considered actions by the Trump and Clinton campaigns,” the report concluded.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...port-clears-trump-collusion-article-1.3958545 (April 27, 2018)
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No evidence of collusion!!!

Looks like the Dems impeachment fantasy is swirling down the toilet.
 
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