Trump immigrant family separation policy

Judge orders independent monitor for immigrant facilities after children detail shocking conditions
A federal judge has ordered an independent monitor to evaluate conditions in border facilities that house immigrant children, amid allegations of unsafe conditions and rampant abuse. U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee in Los Angeles said there was a serious “disconnect” between the Trump administration’s own assessment of facilities in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley and hundreds of pages of class action testimony detailing major problems, including abusive treatment, lack of adequate food and water, and unsanitary conditions.

While in ICE custody, thousands of migrants reported sexual abuse

Seems to me, especially given the treakly weak excuse given the police in the so-called "danger imperative" (aka, "Shoot scary blacks on sight!"), as well as things such as Florida's "stand-your-ground" reasoning, that in consideration of:
Self-Defense and Defense of Others.
Self-defense and defense of others are two criminal defenses that can be used when a criminal defendant commits a criminal act but believes that he or she was justified in doing so. Although our legal system generally discourages the use of force or violence against others, courts have recognized that all individuals have the right to protect themselves from harm and may use reasonable force in order to do so. Likewise, the defense of others defense also recognizes the right to use reasonable force in defense of others who are threatened.
... one might justifiably waltz into a detention center and take down the personnel with whatever level of force might be required.

Pervert Nazi Republicans: Suck it down!
 
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One 'pro-life' Trump official single-handedly prolonged the detention of hundreds of migrant kids

Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) director E. Scott Lloyd—the religious zealot who unsuccessfully tried to block an immigrant teen’s access to an abortion—single-handedly prolonged the detention of hundreds of migrant children, by telling “subordinates last year that he’d have to personally sign off before any kids could be released from ORR’s secure facilities,” Huffington Post’s Roque Planas reports.

“As a result,” he continues, “hundreds of kids spent extra time in the jail-like facilities, which have been associated with far more allegations of abuse and mistreatment than the shelters and homestays that hold most of the children in ORR custody.” Lloyd reportedly blamed migrant kids themselves for this decision,

The best people!
 
U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee in Los Angeles ordered the Trump administration to obtain consent or a court order before administering any psychotropic medications to migrant children, except in cases of dire emergencies. She also ordered that the government move all children out of a Texas facility, Shiloh Residential Treatment Center in Manvel, except for children deemed by a licensed professional to pose a “risk of harm” to themselves or others.

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There is evidence that several children were not allowed to have any private telephone calls at Shiloh, Gee wrote. One minor, identified as Julio Z., said Shiloh staff refused to let him and other children leave their living areas to get drinking water. When Julio tried to step out to get water on one occasion, a staff member allegedly threw him to the ground, injuring his elbow.

The judge ordered Shiloh to stop using any unessential security measures, such as denying children drinking water, and demanded officials allow children at Shiloh to speak privately over the phone.

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Julio Z., another minor held at Shiloh, said he “never knew exactly what the pills were.” Court documents list Clonazepam, Divalproex, Duloxetine, Guanfacine, Latuda, Geodon, and Olanzapine among his medications.

“The staff threatened to throw me on the ground and force me to take the medication,” Julio Z testified. “I also saw staff throw another youth to the ground, pry his mouth open and force him to take the medicine. . . . They told me that if I did not take the medicine I could not leave, that the only way I could get out of Shiloh was if I took the pills.”

Lucas R., a 12-year-old boy from Guatemala who was detained in February, was transferred to Shiloh after he refused to take antidepressant Zoloft, which was causing him stomach pain, according to a separate court filing. Shiloh medical staff diagnosed Lucas with major depressive disorder and told him that officials would not release him until Shiloh medical personnel declared him psychologically sound.

His depression was in large part triggered by “being kept from family,” who had entered the country before him, according to court documents.

Linky.
 
It sounds like so many of these ICE people taking custody of kids have no screening or childcare skills whatsoever.
 
Hey, don't look now... Another lawsuit against ICE!

The fathers claim that [Immigration and Customs Enforcement] ICE agents presented them with forms that were written mostly in English, with three options at the bottom in Spanish: being deported with their children, being deported without their children, and waiting to speak to a lawyer. All four claim that the first option—parent and child alike getting deported—had already been selected for them.

But the parents refused to be deported with their kids, and wanted to check the second option, which would consent to their own deportation while allowing their kids to remain here to pursue possible claims. But they were “yelled at by the ICE agents,” and “told they simply were not allowed to select another option.” When the parents refused, they were separated from their children yet again, despite Judge Dana Sabraw ordering the reunification of separated families.

How many here think that they'd at least be trying to check the third box if it weren't for the ICE agents?
 
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If I were a parent separated from my young kids by the USA and found myself deported without them, and my children had died or disappeared in custody, I'd gut as many Americans as I could find, maximizing their pain and terror.
- common thought bubble making rounds in Central America

Perhaps it would be better for everyone to simply cart all American officials found anywhere overseas to The Hague; then negotiate to exchange them for ICE employees, Trump, and high Trump officials; and finally start the equivalent of the Nuremberg trials. Same deal in mind: legal niceties, then the rope.

Rough? No, a puff piece. Put the shoe on the other foot, tune in mentally to what would be said by Fox News and Breitbart, and imagine. The US would wipe entire countries off the map (Exhibit A: Iraq II, on the basis of unfounded suspicions alone).
 
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Not too sure about the legitimacy of this report, seeing as the source is unconfirmed tweet about an unnamed child, but anyway:

https://www.ibtimes.com/child-dead-ice-detention-center-due-negligent-care-immigration-lawyer-2704521

Immigration attorney claims an unnamed child detainee has died in ICE custody, possibly due to the very poor and crowded conditions.

By the look of it... the actual claim was that the child died AFTER being in ICE custody and largely as a result of negligent care and sickness that started while in custody.

“The child died following her stay at an ICE Detention Center, as a result of possible negligent care and a respiratory illness she contracted from one of the other children. The events took place in Dilley Family Detention Center in south Texas,” she wrote.


The denial by ICE is that no child died while they were actually in ICE custody.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
 
If I were a parent separated from my young kids by the USA and found myself deported without them, and my children had died or disappeared in custody, I'd gut as many Americans as I could find, maximizing their pain and terror.
- common thought bubble making rounds in Central America

Perhaps it would be better for everyone to simply cart all American officials found anywhere overseas to The Hague; then negotiate to exchange them for ICE employees, Trump, and high Trump officials; and finally start the equivalent of the Nuremberg trials. Same deal in mind: legal niceties, then the rope.

Rough? No, a puff piece. Put the shoe on the other foot, tune in mentally to what would be said by Fox News and Breitbart, and imagine. The US would wipe entire countries off the map (Exhibit A: Iraq II, on the basis of unfounded suspicions alone).

Advocating for terrorism is now acceptable on this forum? Rest assured, that is not what Hispanics think. I knew the "skeptic community" was in the gutter, but I never imagined there'd be open calls for terrorism.
 
... one might justifiably waltz into a detention center and take down the personnel with whatever level of force might be required.

Pervert Nazi Republicans: Suck it down!

This is being reported to the proper authorities, along with every other call to terrorism.
 
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Honestly, I cannot believe this is my country. Even GW invading Iraq wasn't this depraved.
And yet, you only got mad when you were told to get mad. Do you "skeptics" not see that you are the exhibiting the exact same religious behavior you purport to be against?
 
Can't say it's a shock, given what we already know, but it's another example of the level of cruelty built in to this garbage administration in general to have a system like that for anyone, much less the families they intentionally tore apart.
Being the skeptic you are **coughs**, are you skeptical when illegal migrants claim to be parents of undocumented child?
 
A lot of posts in a row Baylor. Are you going to cite some evidence for these pronouncements of yours?
 
A lot of posts in a row Baylor. Are you going to cite some evidence for these pronouncements of yours?
We have, in this very page, someone advocating for terrorism. Not one person besides me finds this alarming. And then, here you are asking for evidence of "these pronouncements." You just want to show you're not against the hive mind. I have crippling insomnia so I'll indulge, which one of "these pronouncements" to which you are referring?
 

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