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If you are a cop, you are not 'suddenly immune'; you have lengthy training in keeping clear under stress. You are also armed with and trained in a variety of weapons and combat techniques, precisely so you do not start peeing down your leg and shooting at the first hint of something wrong.
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She lived in the same apartment building as the victim for a month....
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Somebody is going to have to explain to me why when the "But... but they FEARED FOR THEIR LIFE AND THAT MAKES EVERYTHING OKAY!" applies so selectively.
If some body shows up at my door announced with a gun I'd fear for me life, but ironically that person is the dead one in this scenario. Or we can all just continue to live in the fantasy world where there's no Elephant in the room and if they guy in his own home had shot the cop we'd be having the same conversation. |
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Conceded in advance that the information (or lack thereof) makes 99% of this discussion pure hypothesizing. I consider myself a reasonable person. If I entered my home while armed (I don't carry a gun) and a stranger came out of one of the rooms towards me in close quarters- perhaps trying to scare me away- I would not spend a great deal of time trying to grasp the nuance. I would shoot. I would find that reaction reasonable were someone else to do it.
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Local cops called it manslaughter. Rangers are investigating some things she said.
Since Ferguson, several incidents have been bumped up a step, like to the grand jury. Often times dragging out for months. Emotions quiet down. Then the subsequent low/no charges do not get called a white wash. The Ranger involvement in this case may be a delaying tactic, plus the 'higher authority'. Subsequent Manslaughter charge won't civil unrest. Heck, she may have admitted to manslaughter already, and it was the Governor that involved the Rangers as I outlined. |
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If the scene was processed, there's physical evidence that she shot someone to death in his own apartment. The guy has 2 bullet wounds, 2 bullets are gone from her gun, they are the same type of bullet he was shot with, she has gunshot residue on her hands, and they are demonstrably in his apartment.
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"Freaking out" is what reasonable people do when a stranger is in the house. Her reaction was perfectly normal. What caused the reaction was a mistake. her reaction and what caused that reaction are not the same thing.
Could a reasonable person mistake an apartment door? Yes. Could that same reasonable person fear for their life upon entering an apartment they thought was there's? Yes. So where's the crime at? She didn't do anything a non-reasonable person would do. |
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I'm beginning to wonder if she staged the whole incident in order to cover up a planned murder.
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Agreed that we are all commenting without enough information (with the caveat that a hugely important justifying element has no earthly reason to be omitted):
Would you find it reasonable for a uniformed and armed police officer, considering their line of work, to shoot first and ask questions later? If you will indulge an anecdote: I live in a beach town whose population goes up tenfold in the summer, mostly with renters. Each and every year, at least one walks right in my front door, misremembering what house they rented (it happens). I have walked into what I thought was my empty house and found strange men in my living room. Guess how many I killed? |
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Yes. It is unreasonable.
1. Again you can't act like IT WASN'T HER HOUSE is some minor nitpicking side detail that doesn't change the situation. As if "knowing what house you are in" is some incredibly impossible standard of situational awareness we're putting on this woman. 2. She had the gun, he didn't. She had the balance of power in this scenario. What was she scared of? Unless simple "maleness" is so evil to you that changes it back. 3. "Fear" is not the license to murder for other people that it (ostensibly) is for you. When I was boots on ground in Afghanistan if I had killed somebody every time I feared for my life I would have depopulated half that country. |
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There's the rub, isn't it.
You are hypothesizing that she went "Dirty Harry" and knew immediately that there was a "bad guy" in the apartment, entering as a cop who was going to put down the criminal. Thus your rhetorical question. Of course "in the line of duty" shoot first-ask questions later is unjustified. I am offering a counter-hypothesis; that she had no idea anyone else was in "her" home and was startled when the legitimate occupant (who she would resonably see as an intruder) reacted aggressively (hypothesis) and shot him. In that scenario her reaction could be reasonable- in spite of its tragic outcome. The first time someone walked into your home were you startled? Did you attempt to scare them off by making yourself seem as threatening as you could muster? |
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Yes. I have a gun & I'm in a doorway. I can move to the side & cover the murder hole screaming what are you doing in my house.
If a cop mistakes our apartment for hers, sees a black guy (me), opens fire hitting killing me in front of my son & screams "White power!" my wife should just accept the oops? |
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Disagreed. Freaking out is what cartoon housewives do when they see a mouse. Adults do not. They may get very alert and defensive, but freaking out and killing come much later up the scale of threat.
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I believe she's the female cop in this video she seems to be in uniform.
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Has she been charged? There was a bad headline on an earlier story about Dallas PD being ready to charge her but holding off and calling the Texas Rangers.
I haven't been following it closely, but as far as I can tell there's been nothing released to the public about her even being afraid. One cop talked off the record about it, but who knows if that was accurate. He described her putting down things she was holding in her hands in order to try to turn the key, and then him opening the door in his underwear, and her shooting him. Dallas was ready to charge her with a crime, that says something. |
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