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Old 30th August 2018, 08:50 AM   #121
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Yeah, and yet it would have been a half decent dig using 'Sid Vicious' instead. Someone doesn't know their Sex Pistols perhaps..

Eh, not really. Everyone who knows the Pistols knows that Lydon was the real brains and talent behind the band. Sid was all image.
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Old 30th August 2018, 08:54 AM   #122
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Originally Posted by luchog View Post
Eh, not really. Everyone who knows the Pistols knows that Lydon was the real brains and talent behind the band. Sid was all image.
Yeah, and what kind of band achieves success based on image over quality of music?
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Old 30th August 2018, 08:54 AM   #123
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Originally Posted by LondonJohn View Post
Well...... yes, the Queen is consulted on legislation. And technically she has an absolute right of veto over all legislation. But since the Glorious Revolution in the 17th Century and other reforms since then, the monarch has in practice never held or weilded any executive power.
...snip...
See the articles I've linked to, I am not talking about her withholding her signature.
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Time for the UK to marginalise the monarchy?
Or maybe give it back some minor executive powers from the house. They already have all the money in the world, so they're relatively shielded from corruption, I guess.

Just thinking aloud. Not sure it makes sense.
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Old 30th August 2018, 11:59 PM   #125
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Eh, not really. Everyone who knows the Pistols knows that Lydon was the real brains and talent behind the band. Sid was all image.
Totally irrelevant to the comment.

Vixen's comment wasn't about talent it was about how long they 'lasted', Lydon is still going so we don't know how long he will eventually 'last', Sid famously died young so he's the obvious choice. It's not like the Queen has released more top ten singles.
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Old 31st August 2018, 01:19 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Totally irrelevant to the comment.

Vixen's comment wasn't about talent it was about how long they 'lasted', Lydon is still going so we don't know how long he will eventually 'last', Sid famously died young so he's the obvious choice. It's not like the Queen has released more top ten singles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_discography#Singles
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The subject is 'The Queen' not the good ones, unfortunately.
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Old 31st August 2018, 05:10 AM   #128
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Originally Posted by Nessie View Post
It is now just a traditional greeting, part of the pomp and circumstance of the Monarchy. It is not a sign of subservience, as it was originally intended.
A former PM of my country shows how an assertive handshaking is supposed to be, you slaves of monarchy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qgNzwy4PmQ
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I appreciate that you can't believe everything you see on the internet and that I may need to improve my analysis skills, but there is an American item on YouTube at the moment which implies that the marriage of Charles and Camilla is breaking up. As far as I can judge, this has not been reported on BBC, or ITV Pravda in the UK, or on Sky News. It may be relevant to the monarchy being marginalised. It sounds a bit like what happened with the abdication of Edward VIII in the 1930s when there was a similar news blackout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQPxDD39W0o
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Except that they've been seen in public together since. Most recently 5th September.
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Except that they've been seen in public together since. Most recently 5th September.
As reptilians, they remove their human-appearance skins all the time. You can't say for sure which one is wearing which skin at which time.
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Old 15th September 2018, 12:11 AM   #132
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As reptilians, they remove their human-appearance skins all the time. You can't say for sure which one is wearing which skin at which time.
Don't encourage him!
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Prince Harry and Prince William are damn fine chaps and are helping to save the rhino and elephants. I don't know if they have been specially bred for the job, or what.
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Old 16th September 2018, 06:07 AM   #134
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
Prince Harry and Prince William are damn fine chaps and are helping to save the rhino and elephants. I don't know if they have been specially bred for the job, or what.
Have I been misreading all your posts, and you are actually a top-level poe?
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
...... there is an American item on YouTube at the moment which implies..........
Wow. You can't be held to a higher standard than that. You've convinced me. I've just watched "Post", and came home to find Henri McPhee rivaling the high ideals on show there.
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Old 16th September 2018, 12:36 PM   #137
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
I appreciate that you can't believe everything you see on the internet and that I may need to improve my analysis skills, but there is an American item on YouTube at the moment which implies that the marriage of Charles and Camilla is breaking up. As far as I can judge, this has not been reported on BBC, or ITV Pravda in the UK, or on Sky News. It may be relevant to the monarchy being marginalised. It sounds a bit like what happened with the abdication of Edward VIII in the 1930s when there was a similar news blackout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQPxDD39W0o
In general, yes.

In this case in particular - I suspect your highlighted part is also applicable, but can't be bothered enough to assess any particular aspect of celebrity gossip.
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The monarchy is great marketing for the UK, as has been pointed out.

I would propose that instead of abolishing it, we keep it politically toothless as it is now. But we grand the monarchy special powers to 'return to their roots' in a way, making them more interesting for foreigners.

Maybe allow a private militia a la the Swiss Guards? The right to kill and/or torture employees? We could make it a great reality show. 'Prince Philip has court jester tortured for insulting him' and stuff like that. I mean, create an environment for medieval court drama. Incest, beheadings, assassinations, advisors stabbed in their sleep, secret lovers poisoned.

Put that stuff on TV, and you won't believe the marketing spinoff.
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Originally Posted by Eddie Dane View Post
The monarchy is great marketing for the UK, as has been pointed out.

I would propose that instead of abolishing it, we keep it politically toothless as it is now. But we grand the monarchy special powers to 'return to their roots' in a way, making them more interesting for foreigners.

Maybe allow a private militia a la the Swiss Guards? The right to kill and/or torture employees? We could make it a great reality show. 'Prince Philip has court jester tortured for insulting him' and stuff like that. I mean, create an environment for medieval court drama. Incest, beheadings, assassinations, advisors stabbed in their sleep, secret lovers poisoned.

Put that stuff on TV, and you won't believe the marketing spinoff.
I have commented that celebrities are the modern aristocracy.

To support this contention I present The Fifth Marquess of Anglesey

Please check out his photo.

He inherited an estate of £110,000 pa in October 1898, and managed to accumulate debts of £544,000 by 1904, which was an achievement of sorts.

Those are the actual numbers with no adjustment for inflation.
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I have commented that celebrities are the modern aristocracy.



To support this contention I present The Fifth Marquess of Anglesey



Please check out his photo.



He inherited an estate of £110,000 pa in October 1898, and managed to accumulate debts of £544,000 by 1904, which was an achievement of sorts.



Those are the actual numbers with no adjustment for inflation.


Glorious!

Modern royals are too boring IMHO. In the Netherlands we have the most straight-laced royal house ever. You’d almost forget that only a generation ago we had a gun-toting, tattooed, philandering prince who was involved in shady arms deals to support his illegitimate children. So much more fun.




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How about keep the royals, but only if they survive at least halfway through that bake off show. Let them prove their worth by baking cookies and frosting cakes and looking that evil old harpy right in her blue glass eyes!
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Old 18th September 2018, 08:27 AM   #142
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I was a bit shocked and surprised to read on the internet that the Queen supposedly once described Prince Charles as pathetic, if not his beautiful wife. There is a bit of background information about this at this website:

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...ing-king.html/

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Bower explains, “At a recent dinner with friends in Mayfair, Philip joked about his determination to live beyond 95. The reason for his and the Queen’s longevity, he explained amid his friends’ laughter, was to keep Charles from the throne.”

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There is more American gossip about Prince Charles from American newspapers and magazines at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2XMwPQ5tzw

I admit that you should not believe everything you read in newspapers, and the Globe and National Enquirer in America have a reputation for scurrility, but I hope it doesn't get pulled or censored on this forum.
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From now on you shall be known as Sharon (???), for that is a good name for an assistant (a king).
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
There is more American gossip about Prince Charles from American newspapers and magazines at:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2XMwPQ5tzw

I admit that you should not believe everything you read in newspapers, and the Globe and National Enquirer in America have a reputation for scurrility, but I hope it doesn't get pulled or censored on this forum.
I had to click on that to see if it was the type of "newspaper" I expected. It was.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I had to click on that to see if it was the type of "newspaper" I expected. It was.
Meanwhile I have come across this story about Prince Charles

I admit that you should not believe everything you read on the internet, and Newsthump is a satire site, but I hope it doesn't get pulled or censored on this forum.


http://newsthump.com/2017/10/02/prin...se-of-monarch/
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I read once that before photos they put peanut butter on the roof of Charles's mouth. It makes him look like he can talk!
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I read once that before photos they put peanut butter on the roof of Charles's mouth. It makes him look like he can talk!
Nooo you are doing it wrong.

You need to give a source. It just doesn't have to be reliable.

However, I can now say that I know TragicMonkey has a renowned sense of humour, and says that before photos they put peanut butter on the roof of Charles's mouth. It makes him look like he can talk!
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Modern royals are too boring IMHO. In the Netherlands we have the most straight-laced royal house ever. You’d almost forget that only a generation ago we had a gun-toting, tattooed, philandering prince who was involved in shady arms deals to support his illegitimate children. So much more fun.


Your king was moonlighting as a commercial pilot until recently - I think that's pretty cool. It's not quite up there with Margarethe II of Denmark - who designs theater sets in her spare time and worked on translating Tolkein into Danish - but it's still more interesting than the British monarchy.
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Your king was moonlighting as a commercial pilot until recently - I think that's pretty cool. It's not quite up there with Margarethe II of Denmark - who designs theater sets in her spare time and worked on translating Tolkein into Danish - but it's still more interesting than the British monarchy.
I don't know, seems like Prince Harry had a pretty interesting job.
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Prince Charles is really just a gentleman farmer.
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Baby steps Britain. First start by codifying your constitution, then you can try to reform your antiquated form of government. Who knows, maybe even Britain might be able to abolish the obsolete house of lords.
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Why do we need to codify the constitution?
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Why do we need to codify the constitution?
Because everything the Americans have is better than what we have, and they codified theirs. And ours is clearly dangerously unstable, as witness all the times our country has collapsed into anarchy in the last couple of hundred years.

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Because everything the Americans have is better than what we have, and they codified theirs. And ours is clearly dangerously unstable, as witness all the times our country has collapsed into anarchy in the last couple of hundred years.
What's the deal with the House of Lords? Got that sorted out yet? How many hereditary peers are left? And bishops? Does reforming the House of Lords threaten the England-Scotland Union as some interpret?
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What's the deal with the House of Lords? Got that sorted out yet? How many hereditary peers are left? And bishops? Does reforming the House of Lords threaten the England-Scotland Union as some interpret?
No.

Too many.

Ridiculous holdover.

No.
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The house of Lords is an anachronism that helps the "small C" conservatives as well as large C conservatives.

The most recent half-baked reform of it actually manged to achieve a system that was worse than hereditary peers in that it directly gave (even more) patronage to the leaders of the main political parties.

I would like it to be replaced by something analogous to long-term jury service but with a good incentive to sit on it (for, say five years) and no penalty for refusing.

That way it would be representative of the population but not voted for so would be different to the Commons. However that won't happen.

I am not sure that a written constitution is a brilliant idea - there is a lot to be said for having "ways of doing things" that have the force of tradition, but which can be changed if there is enough will, as opposed to having somewhere like Montana the same Senatorial influence as California.
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http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/health-data.htm
link is 2015 data (2013 Data below):
UK 8.5% of GDP of which 83.3% is public expenditure - 7.1% of GDP is public spending
US 16.4% of GDP of which 48.2% is public expenditure - 7.9% of GDP is public spending
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