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Old 2nd September 2018, 07:33 PM   #1
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.. Only one person has been convicted of the 911 attacks. The convicted denied involvement but admitted to being an al-Qaeda operative.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tria...ber_11_attacks
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Old 2nd September 2018, 07:38 PM   #2
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I think we kind of killed them instead.
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Old 3rd September 2018, 02:01 AM   #3
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You'd think a government orchestrated conspiracy would be a lot better at framing and convicting people to help sell their story... guess we can add that to the list of things they forgot to do along side 'forgot to add any Iraqi's to the plot', and 'forgot to organise a 4th plane to hit the Pentagon'.
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Originally Posted by geggy View Post
.. Only one person has been convicted of the 911 suicide attacks.
Clue added, for those not in possession of one.

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Clue added, for those not in possession of one.

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Not trying KSM is kind of a big pie in the face of the American legal and political process.
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Old 3rd September 2018, 08:38 AM   #7
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The official 9/11 story is like the toothless naked giggly fat dude rocking out to "baby I'm naked" on his fisher price guitar. He is held together more by his total mass than his individual segmented masses barely holding up through the earthquake, like Jello squares held in a twine basket, but it's Chinese buffet extra-firm Jello.

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And even that mess of word salad is more coherent than any of the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

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Old 3rd September 2018, 08:53 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The official 9/11 story is like the toothless naked giggly fat dude rocking out to "baby I'm naked" on his fisher price guitar. He is held together more by his total mass than his individual segmented masses barely holding up through the earthquake, like Jello squares held in a twine basket, but it's Chinese buffet extra-firm Jello.
"vivid" imagery

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Originally Posted by geggy View Post
.. Only one person has been convicted of the 911 attacks. The convicted denied involvement but admitted to being an al-Qaeda operative.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tria...ber_11_attacks
Are you sure? Can you prove it? Can you comment on the post you made?

It would be a waste of time to convict Atta and his fellow dumbed down terrorists for UBL, they killed themselves killing people. Thus 19 guilty terrorists commited suicide - kind of self convicted.

17 years later no commentary

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The official 9/11 story is like the toothless naked giggly fat dude rocking out to "baby I'm naked" on his fisher price guitar. He is held together more by his total mass than his individual segmented masses barely holding up through the earthquake, like Jello squares held in a twine basket, but it's Chinese buffet extra-firm Jello.
Projecting for the entire mess of 9/11 truth cult lies and fantasy claims about 9/11. Are you last cult member of 9/11 truth.

And the evidence is where? The dog ate it? Their computer got a virus? Their smart TV hacked their computer? They left it in their mom's car? What happened to their evidence? Try telling the truth; 9/11 truth has no evidence, and 9/11 truth believers are clueless on all things 9/11. Better luck with Bigfoot, they can use the same evidence they have for 9/11 claims they can't define or explain.

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17 years, nothing has changed - 9/11 truth is a movement based on the ignorance of the followers who believe lies
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Old 3rd September 2018, 11:37 AM   #11
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Someone has to say it:

9-11 Truthers are the worst kind of idiots. They're stupid by choice.

They ignore the fact and embrace not only wild speculation, but 100% implausible theories at every step of the way.

Al Qaeda did it. They took responsibility for it.

FBI and CIA might have been able to head off the attack had they shared information, and took terrorism a little more seriously than they did on 9/10/2001.

That's it, that's all you need to know.
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Old 3rd September 2018, 02:16 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The official 9/11 story is like the toothless naked giggly fat dude rocking out to "baby I'm naked" on his fisher price guitar. He is held together more by his total mass than his individual segmented masses barely holding up through the earthquake, like Jello squares held in a twine basket, but it's Chinese buffet extra-firm Jello.
One day you might see how the above casts you in a negative light rather than this “official story” you’re critical of.

But I doubt it.
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Old 3rd September 2018, 03:20 PM   #13
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9/11 today reminds of the time when Stephanopoulos interviewed Trump...

"Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of (Muslim) people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.e5db76c0f877
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Old 3rd September 2018, 04:13 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The official 9/11 story is like the toothless naked giggly fat dude rocking out to "baby I'm naked" on his fisher price guitar. He is held together more by his total mass than his individual segmented masses barely holding up through the earthquake, like Jello squares held in a twine basket, but it's Chinese buffet extra-firm Jello.
When you say "official story", could you please point me to where this story exists and who the official was that approved it?
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While we're on the subject about the passage of time, a question:

How much has the software used to model structural collapse improved since 2002? Is it better? Is is cheaper? Is it easier to use?

Are there new software programs that do the same as the NIST's model, ut for less?

I ask only because in 2001 I had a land line for both my telephone,and my computer. Today my smart phone has more memory and computing power than the desktop I had in 2001. I wonder how hard it would be for a layman to feed blueprints into a program and model 9-11 for themselves, or what the cost would be today (average) to contract with an engineering firm to run the scenarios?

I mean, for all the money A&ETruth has raised, how many tests could they run each year with their budget?
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
While we're on the subject about the passage of time, a question:

How much has the software used to model structural collapse improved since 2002? Is it better? Is is cheaper? Is it easier to use?

Are there new software programs that do the same as the NIST's model, ut for less?

I ask only because in 2001 I had a land line for both my telephone,and my computer. Today my smart phone has more memory and computing power than the desktop I had in 2001. I wonder how hard it would be for a layman to feed blueprints into a program and model 9-11 for themselves, or what the cost would be today (average) to contract with an engineering firm to run the scenarios?

I mean, for all the money A&ETruth has raised, how many tests could they run each year with their budget?
They tried that in Alaska, apparently. Results any day now.

Any... Day... Now..............
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9/11 shows a failure of the education system coupled with inherent biases we all have that we refuse to rethink.

"It looked like a demolition"....okay how does that mean it IS though? Could there be another explanation before jumping down the rabbit hole of ad hoc assertions at every point?

Any sane human being sees the planes hit, fires develop and rage for some time, then the buildings collapsing. Occam's Razor tells us let's try to find out how that happened, if only a cursory investigation.

No wiring, no standard demolition stuff in the vicinity, no men clad in all black nearby to "pull" it. Thermite, if Harrit's stuff was even thermite (it's not), doesn't prove **** anyway.

And had it been bombed with actual explosives...it wouldn't even prove it was an inside job, it would only prove a bombing (Ramzi Yousef).

9/11 conspiracy theories are based firmly on cynicism, not on any genuine concerns.
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Originally Posted by LSSBB View Post
They tried that in Alaska, apparently. Results any day now.

Any... Day... Now..............
If a Truther entered college in 2005 they would have multiple PhD's in the relative fields of science by now.
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
The official 9/11 story is like the toothless naked giggly fat dude rocking out to "baby I'm naked" on his fisher price guitar. He is held together more by his total mass than his individual segmented masses barely holding up through the earthquake, like Jello squares held in a twine basket, but it's Chinese buffet extra-firm Jello.
Then by all means, go ahead and educate us.

Start your own thread in which you lay out the evidence for whatever alternative theory you have. Stun the world and silence your critics.

Note my words carefully: evidence for your theory. Not a Gish Gallop of anomaly hunting. Not unevidenced speculation. Not a link to a CT site. Actual positive evidence.

As you appear to be in possession of all the answers, it shouldn't take you long.
I await my imminent re-education with anticipation.
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Originally Posted by geggy View Post
.. Only one person has been convicted of the 911 attacks. The convicted denied involvement but admitted to being an al-Qaeda operative.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tria...ber_11_attacks
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Then by all means, go ahead and educate us.

Start your own thread in which you lay out the evidence for whatever alternative theory you have. Stun the world and silence your critics.

Note my words carefully: evidence for your theory. Not a Gish Gallop of anomaly hunting. Not unevidenced speculation. Not a link to a CT site. Actual positive evidence.

As you appear to be in possession of all the answers, it shouldn't take you long.
I await my imminent re-education with anticipation.
See you in 2040?
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9-11 Truthers are the worst kind of idiots.
They can't really beat flat earthers in the stupid category. Come on.
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They can't really beat flat earthers in the stupid category. Come on.
I really don't consider flat earthers legitimately nuts, at least not these new people who seem to be doing online epistemological exercises instead. The last real flat earthers seem to have disappeared after the mid-late 20th century.

On my spectrum from probable to bat**** insane I rate most 9/11 truthers "not even wrong"
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Then by all means, go ahead and educate us.

Start your own thread in which you lay out the evidence for whatever alternative theory you have. Stun the world and silence your critics.

Note my words carefully: evidence for your theory. Not a Gish Gallop of anomaly hunting. Not unevidenced speculation. Not a link to a CT site. Actual positive evidence.

As you appear to be in possession of all the answers, it shouldn't take you long.
I await my imminent re-education with anticipation.
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See you in 2040?
Pah ! Cynic!

I have absolute faith that MicahJava, with his fierce and unwavering commitment to truth and justice, will not let this opportunity pass.

Come on, MicahJava! Let 'em have it!
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Ok, after all this time away, I just gotta say one thing:

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I am so glad Beechy is still using this picture. In a world of constant change, it's so satisfying to see that some things never change.
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One day you might see how the above casts you in a negative light rather than this “official story” you’re critical of.

But I doubt it.
What's scary is the utter level of detail. It's like it's less construct and more witness testimony.
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
If a Truther entered college in 2005 they would have multiple PhD's in the relative fields of science by now.
What makes you think they wouldn't have flunked out?
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If a Truther entered college in 2005 they would have multiple PhD's in the relative fields of science by now.
Either that, or they'd have got the floors really, really clean.

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So, how where the nutters this year at ground zero?
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Here's a link to the National Security Archive's CIA/9-11 declassified document collection:

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB381/

This was created in 2012, and is comprehensive. I'm just posting it for interested parties to bookmark for those inevitable "New Information" CT threads that will pop up in the future.
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17 years later I've decided to read NIST's report again front to back.

Lot of stuff still over my head but I'll try to follow closely.
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So, how where the nutters this year at ground zero?
The "9/11 Truth Action Project", an AE911T spin-off founded by Wayne Coste, has about 20 "Vigils for 9/11 Justice" scheduled for today:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/911TAP/events/

I count a grand total of near 150 people that are interested or going - 7 and half per event. What a storm is sweeping all over the land!!
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Anyone remember the days where the anniversary would generate scores, if not hundreds of new posts in this forum?
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Do you think any truthers have worked towards an engineering or physics or related degree since? I mean the potential to uncover, or not even uncover more damning discrepancies but rather to learn more about what they're so convinced of? I know I'd be obsessed to death if I was convinced there was something so damningly strange about the 9/11 collapse. And STEM degrees are rather versatile so they've got little to lose IMO. But then again I'm OCD as hell.

I assume the majority of truthers are attracted to higher education, stemming from their eagerness to question the world. Why not actually try to learn in depth; potential world-shattering Nobel Prize awaits.

If I was convinced of a conspiracy I know I would donate a crap load of my own money and spread the word to donate all across the United States. I wouldn't sit on my ass debating people I consider shills in small message boards and groups over the internet.

I'd like to see every single one of these people (like a quarter of the populace who said they questioned the events of 9/11?) all the people on YouTube and Facebook and Twitter yelling "inside job!" to throw their own cold hard money into AE9/11's donation box.

I don't expect them to.
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Do you think any truthers have worked towards an engineering or physics or related degree since? I mean the potential to uncover, or not even uncover more damning discrepancies but rather to learn more about what they're so convinced of? I know I'd be obsessed to death if I was convinced there was something so damningly strange about the 9/11 collapse. And STEM degrees are rather versatile so they've got little to lose IMO. But then again I'm OCD as hell.

I assume the majority of truthers are attracted to higher education, stemming from their eagerness to question the world. Why not actually try to learn in depth; potential world-shattering Nobel Prize awaits.

If I was convinced of a conspiracy I know I would donate a crap load of my own money and spread the word to donate all across the United States. I wouldn't sit on my ass debating people I consider shills in small message boards and groups over the internet.

I'd like to see every single one of these people (like a quarter of the populace who said they questioned the events of 9/11?) all the people on YouTube and Facebook and Twitter yelling "inside job!" to throw their own cold hard money into AE9/11's donation box.

I don't expect them to.
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Old 12th September 2018, 12:56 AM   #35
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I assume the majority of truthers are attracted to higher education, stemming from their eagerness to question the world.
I would dispute this; I think they're repulsed from it, stemming from their unwillingness to accept that the answers may not say what they want to hear.

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Old 12th September 2018, 10:52 AM   #36
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
Do you think any truthers have worked towards an engineering or physics or related degree since? I mean the potential to uncover, or not even uncover more damning discrepancies but rather to learn more about what they're so convinced of? I know I'd be obsessed to death if I was convinced there was something so damningly strange about the 9/11 collapse. And STEM degrees are rather versatile so they've got little to lose IMO. But then again I'm OCD as hell.

I assume the majority of truthers are attracted to higher education, stemming from their eagerness to question the world. Why not actually try to learn in depth; potential world-shattering Nobel Prize awaits.

If I was convinced of a conspiracy I know I would donate a crap load of my own money and spread the word to donate all across the United States. I wouldn't sit on my ass debating people I consider shills in small message boards and groups over the internet.

I'd like to see every single one of these people (like a quarter of the populace who said they questioned the events of 9/11?) all the people on YouTube and Facebook and Twitter yelling "inside job!" to throw their own cold hard money into AE9/11's donation box.

I don't expect them to.
Since when does 'The University Of Youtube' give away diploma's?
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AE911Truth has two videos of their events in Washington DC yesterday. The first is a seated rally with the Capitol Building in the background. Gage, Brinnier, Campbell, Steele, talk. The videography is lousy, cheap crap, the cam is in portrait orientation (!), and it never pans or zooms. I just clicked into bits here and there. The applauses sound like they come from perhaps 30 people.

The chat comments to the right are a hoot.
At some point near the middle , someone mentions that there are only 113 people online (this was a live stream event).
Otherwise, much of the chat is a massive nazi scumback Jew hate fest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n31vY1pDgKo


The second video is over 3 hours (!) long, at a local club/restaurant which has room for 100 people - it sounds like there are hardly 20 present. After 14 minutes, they say that under 40 people are online watching the livestream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbr7GpT4FQ
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Old 12th September 2018, 12:56 PM   #38
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Originally Posted by tinribmancer View Post
So, how where the nutters this year at ground zero?
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Then by all means, go ahead and educate us.

Start your own thread in which you lay out the evidence for whatever alternative theory you have. Stun the world and silence your critics.

Note my words carefully: evidence for your theory. Not a Gish Gallop of anomaly hunting. Not unevidenced speculation. Not a link to a CT site. Actual positive evidence.

As you appear to be in possession of all the answers, it shouldn't take you long.
I await my imminent re-education with anticipation.
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Pah ! Cynic!

I have absolute faith that MicahJava, with his fierce and unwavering commitment to truth and justice, will not let this opportunity pass.

Come on, MicahJava! Let 'em have it!
All right, fagin. You win.
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Old 14th September 2018, 05:18 AM   #40
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My comment on ae911t live video...

"If AE911T has over 3000 signatures, how come only 100 of them tuned in for this live stream, and how come only 1500 people have viewed this video in three days? Are the 3000 professionals who passionately signed their named to this cause not even interested enough to tune in for a live video?"
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