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Old 13th September 2018, 07:04 PM   #321
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Brown suits make atheists persecute religious people?

Well that is two things, Brown suits and atheism.

Like we see here (although Xi does not usually Brown suits, so, just the atheism then)
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:04 PM   #322
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Yes, I'm seeing a much stronger link between brown suits and large-scale religious atrocities.
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:11 PM   #323
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Punch me in the face? I wasn’t the one who said One was more appalled by pointing out that atheists were detaining a million people than the actual fact that a million people were being detained....
I said I was appalled that you could repeat such a blatant falsehood. But I guess that it's okay to lie as long as you vilify atheists, because that means that you can continue to ignore and distract people from the true cause of suffering. Christians are being persecuted by totalitarian despots, and all you can do is try to redirect attention to atheists.

Despicable.
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:14 PM   #324
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Brown suits make atheists persecute religious people?

Well that is two things, Brown suits and atheism.

Like we see here (although Xi does not usually Brown suits, so, just the atheism then)
He has an Army of them!



So still 100% correlation of brown suits to atrocities.
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:15 PM   #325
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
I said I was appalled that you could repeat such a blatant falsehood. But I guess that it's okay to lie as long as you vilify atheists, because that means that you can continue to ignore and distract people from the true cause of suffering. Christians are being persecuted by totalitarian despots, and all you can do is try to redirect attention to atheists.

Despicable.
Remember folks, the real victims here are the atheists, and the bad guy is TBD.
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:21 PM   #326
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Remember folks, the real victims here are the atheists oppressed people, and the bad silly guy is TBD.
You do know that nobody is agreeing with your martyrdom, right?
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:23 PM   #327
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Also, you have not disproven that BROWN SUITS are the reason for the oppression. 100% correlation.
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:26 PM   #328
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Remember folks, the real victims here are the atheists, and the bad guy is TBD.
Why do you despise atheists so much? What did atheists ever do to you that you feel the need to vilify them so strongly?
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:27 PM   #329
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I'm swayed. Brown Suits correlation confirmed.



This leads me to the question TBD was undoubtedly getting to, Are then, in fact, the girl scout brownie troops Atheist training camps design to build the future godless armies that will enslave earth?
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Old 13th September 2018, 07:33 PM   #330
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Firm Marxist Atheist Brown Suit.

It is odd, that doesn’t really work, so I am beginning to think that perhaps it had something to do with Marxist atheist ideology that is ultimately driven to destroy religious faith, which is why so many atheist regimes are led by genocidal maniacs.

Keep posting pictures of Stalin tho, because y’all are really kicking ass by posting pictures of the worst mass murderer in history, who had a particular fondness for shooting clerics.
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...in addition to a rather large number of non-clerics, while still allowing and encouraging those clerics who would support his regime. But of course this has been pointed out previously.
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Old 13th September 2018, 08:05 PM   #332
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Firm Marxist Atheist Brown Suit.

It is odd, that doesn’t really work, so I am beginning to think that perhaps it had something to do with Marxist atheist ideology that is ultimately driven to destroy religious faith, which is why so many atheist regimes are led by genocidal maniacs.

Keep posting pictures of Stalin tho, because y’all are really kicking ass by posting pictures of the worst mass murderer in history, who had a particular fondness for shooting clerics.
But he HAS a brown suit. THAT'S the link between their political philosophy and genocide. It's inescapable.

Oh, by the way? Stalin killed tens of millions of atheists too. So that puts a fairly big crimp in your correlation, but it confirms mine.
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The Big Dog always finishes the skirmishes by playing the Stalin Card. I think he may be about to take his Rosary and Bible and go home.
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The Big Dog always finishes the skirmishes by playing the Stalin Card. I think he may be about to take his Rosary and Bible and go home.
I hope the door hits him on his way out.
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Only gently I hope. As compassionate atheists we wouldn't like to see him harmed.
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Only gently I hope. As compassionate atheists we wouldn't like to see him harmed.
No, of course not. As I said, I am a pacifist.
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Old 13th September 2018, 10:00 PM   #337
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I don't think anyone supports China cracking down on any groups, but the huge and obvious flaw in your argument is to emphasize the Chinese government as atheist rather than Marxist and totalitarian.
Um... you can't have Marxism and totalitarianism at the same time. China has nothing really to do with Marxism, just a form of capitalism and totalitarianism.



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No, of course not. As I said, I am a pacifist.
Exactly. As a pacifist, you aren't going to slam the door shut in someone's face but you certainly can laugh if the door swings hard on the person as they're trying to flounce.
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Old 14th September 2018, 12:25 AM   #338
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Firm Marxist Atheist Brown Suit.

It is odd, that doesn’t really work, so I am beginning to think that perhaps it had something to do with Marxist atheist ideology that is ultimately driven to destroy religious faith, which is why so many atheist regimes are led by genocidal maniacs.

Keep posting pictures of Stalin tho, because y’all are really kicking ass by posting pictures of the worst mass murderer in history, who had a particular fondness for shooting clerics.
Apart from making games of words and shouting slogans out you have demonstrated:

-An absolute ignorance about Marxism.
-Misunderstanding of what atheism means.
-Lack of any sense of logic.

Besides, I have directed to you several precise objections. I am waiting for your response. In reality I am not waiting for anything. I know that you are unable to answer.
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Old 14th September 2018, 01:04 AM   #339
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Christians in China have it easy, compared to Muslims or Tibetan Buddhists.
The crackdown on religion is a rational preemptive measure to avoid a Chechnya situation.

It's amazing how slow ISIS and Co. is in catching up to the reality that China is a far greater danger to The Faith than the West.
But I have little doubt that it will.
Those one million Muslims were going to hell anyway, at least according to the persecuted Christians. This way maybe they have a shot at redemption.

U.S. evangelicals track these movements; I wonder if any will look to Trump to chastise China over the crackdown.

Chinese have a religion: the Chinese Communist party. Emperors were called "the son of heaven," and expected to be worshiped. Pretty sure Mao wanted the same thing, and now Xi. China has been religious for a lot longer than it has been atheist. Any Christian who puts the Communist party over God has made the party his God, so I don't blame them for resisting.
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Those one million Muslims were going to hell anyway, at least according to the persecuted Christians. This way maybe they have a shot at redemption.

U.S. evangelicals track these movements; I wonder if any will look to Trump to chastise China over the crackdown.

Chinese have a religion: the Chinese Communist party. Emperors were called "the son of heaven," and expected to be worshiped. Pretty sure Mao wanted the same thing, and now Xi. China has been religious for a lot longer than it has been atheist. Any Christian who puts the Communist party over God has made the party his God, so I don't blame them for resisting.
Are they bothered with Chinese Christians? Real question, they seem only to be bothered outside the USA in Israel and where they can influence governments to pass laws against abortion and homosexuality.
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Somebody should begin to 'chastise' Christians in Uganda (Wikipedia), for instance.
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The good news is that people have decided to stop posting pictures of Stalin the godfather of gosateizm and murder of millions of religious people.
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Old 14th September 2018, 06:13 AM   #343
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Xi’s ‘Atheist Ideology' Driving Crackdown on Chinese Christians

“I think the motivation primarily comes from the atheist ideology that Chairman Xi Jinping learned during his formative years of the late 1950s and 1960s,” said Yang Fenggang, director of the Center on Religion and Chinese Society at Purdue University.
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Might surprise you, but some of us are not Chinese. You appear to be blaming the wrong 'non group'.

From your link.

"Last May, the Communist Party organ Global Times reported on the launch by the TSPM/CCC of a “five-year plan on the Sinification of Christianity from 2018 to 2022.”

“According to the plan, it will increase the level of Sinification of Christianity, including digging into contents in the Bible that are in line with core socialist values, then turning them into easily understood reading materials,” the newspaper reported.

“It will also endeavor to increase the proportion of core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history into the curriculum of China-based theology institutes as well as promote Chinese elements in preaching, religious poems and songs, clothing and church designs,” Global Times said.

“Core socialist values will also become a major part of Christian preaching, and trainings of preachers will be organized.”"
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Might surprise you, but some of us are not Chinese. You appear to be blaming the wrong 'non group'.

From your link.

"Last May, the Communist Party organ Global Times reported on the launch by the TSPM/CCC of a “five-year plan on the Sinification of Christianity from 2018 to 2022.”

“According to the plan, it will increase the level of Sinification of Christianity, including digging into contents in the Bible that are in line with core socialist values, then turning them into easily understood reading materials,” the newspaper reported.

“It will also endeavor to increase the proportion of core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history into the curriculum of China-based theology institutes as well as promote Chinese elements in preaching, religious poems and songs, clothing and church designs,” Global Times said.

“Core socialist values will also become a major part of Christian preaching, and trainings of preachers will be organized.”"
Oof, that is some next level cherry picking.

I mean to get to the overt Orwellian level propaganda, one has to pass by things like this:

Quote:
The U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (USCIRF) weighed in on the situation this week, condemning Beijing’s treatment of Christians as well as Uighurs in Xinjiang, Buddhists in Tibet, and practitioners in the Falun Gong meditation movement.

The independent statutory watchdog pointed to reports on “escalating religious freedom violations,” including the closure of the Zion Church in the capital, as well as mass detentions of Uighurs in “re-education” camps.
And yet, our correspondent chooses to cut and paste from a press release from the official "Communist party organ Global times."

"It said those actions and others “signal an alarming escalation in persecution of citizens in China under Xi Jinping. USCIRF condemns the Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs.”

Say, lets quote what the Chinese propaganda service has to say instead! Glorious Atheism.
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Might surprise you, but some of us are not Chinese. You appear to be blaming the wrong 'non group'.

From your link.

"Last May, the Communist Party organ Global Times reported on the launch by the TSPM/CCC of a “five-year plan on the Sinification of Christianity from 2018 to 2022.”

“According to the plan, it will increase the level of Sinification of Christianity, including digging into contents in the Bible that are in line with core socialist values, then turning them into easily understood reading materials,” the newspaper reported.

“It will also endeavor to increase the proportion of core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history into the curriculum of China-based theology institutes as well as promote Chinese elements in preaching, religious poems and songs, clothing and church designs,” Global Times said.

“Core socialist values will also become a major part of Christian preaching, and trainings of preachers will be organized.”"

My Darwiness! Those pesky Marxists are promoting Christianity!


And FYI, TBD never shots in his own foot prosthetics.
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My Darwiness! Those pesky Marxists are promoting Christianity!


And FYI, TBD never shots in his own foot prosthetics.
"the Communist Party organ Global Times."

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In spite of the numerous protestations made by 'The Big Dog', I am still quite unconvinced that atheists have killed millions upon millions of religious people over the years.

While it is clearly is true to say that that millions and millions of religious people have been murdered over the years, but considering that it is so difficult to determine if a person is actually an atheist or not and that actual atheists have always been rather rare, then it is quite incorrect to say that atheists have killed millions and millions of people over the years.

Conversely, it is well documented that all sorts of theists have killed millions and millions of people over the years for any number of reasons (including religious reasons).

Therefore, if 'The Big Dog' is trying to say that atheism produces murderers, then 'The Big Dog' is quite wrong.
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In spite of the numerous protestations made by 'The Big Dog', I am still quite unconvinced that atheists have killed millions upon millions of religious people over the years.

While it is clearly is true to say that that millions and millions of religious people have been murdered over the years, but considering that it is so difficult to determine if a person is actually an atheist or not and that actual atheists have always been rather rare, then it is quite incorrect to say that atheists have killed millions and millions of people over the years.

Conversely, it is well documented that all sorts of theists have killed millions and millions of people over the years for any number of reasons (including religious reasons).

Therefore, if 'The Big Dog' is trying to say that atheism produces murderers, then 'The Big Dog' is quite wrong.
say, here is a super easy way to tell. If a nation is Officially Atheist, that is a pretty "tip off."

/One would have to be profoundly unaware of Soviet and Chinese pogroms over the last century to make such an unbelievably absurd statement. Just shaking my head at the depths people will go to ignore the facts.
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I haven't followed TBD on other forum threads, so I'm not clear on where this is all supposed to be going?
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say, here is a super easy way to tell. If a nation is Officially Atheist, that is a pretty "tip off."

/One would have to be profoundly unaware of Soviet and Chinese pogroms over the last century to make such an unbelievably absurd statement. Just shaking my head at the depths people will go to ignore the facts.
I do not know of any nation which requires all of its inhabitants to be atheists.

So if you can actually identify such a nation, then please do so.
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I haven't followed TBD on other forum threads, so I'm not clear on where this is all supposed to be going?
This thread is for the purpose of discussing the “signal an alarming escalation in persecution of citizens in China under Xi Jinping. USCIRF condemns the Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs."

people were outraged that I quoted articles and experts pointing out that Firm Marxist Atheism was a driving factor for Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs
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"the Communist Party organ Global Times."

Yes. Those pesky Marxists are promoting Christianity!

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Old 14th September 2018, 08:42 AM   #354
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Yes. Those pesky Marxists are promoting Christianity!


Gesundheit!
Put aside the whole, "oh for christ's sake, it is rank propaganda, this is bloody obvious" and put aside the actual conduct (not just propaganda) that "the Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs," the pesky Marxist are not "promoting Christianity" they are perverting Christianity to promote "core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history."

Not gonna kid ya, I am a bit stunned that I have to explain this.

Promote Christianity, smfh
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Old 14th September 2018, 08:44 AM   #355
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I haven't followed TBD on other forum threads, so I'm not clear on where this is all supposed to be going?
Very simple: Nowhere.

Originally Posted by The Big Dog
This thread is for the purpose of discussing the “signal an alarming escalation in persecution of citizens in China under Xi Jinping. USCIRF condemns the Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs."

people were outraged that I quoted articles and experts pointing out that Firm Marxist Atheism was a driving factor for Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs
This thread is for the purpose of you expressing your hate for atheists, as it's shown in the loaded title you chose "Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful". It was never about Marxism or Chinese people or culture.
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Old 14th September 2018, 08:45 AM   #356
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
say, here is a super easy way to tell. If a nation is Officially Atheist, that is a pretty "tip off."

/One would have to be profoundly unaware of Soviet and Chinese pogroms over the last century to make such an unbelievably absurd statement. Just shaking my head at the depths people will go to ignore the facts.
So name this nation which requires all of its inhabitants to be atheists.
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Put aside the whole, "oh for christ's sake, it is rank propaganda, this is bloody obvious" and put aside the actual conduct (not just propaganda) that "the Chinese government’s ongoing brutal and systematic targeting of religious communities for their beliefs," the pesky Marxist are not "promoting Christianity" they are perverting Christianity to promote "core socialist values, patriotism and Chinese history."
Exactly what Christians do!

Not gonna kid ya, I am a bit stunned that I have to explain this.

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Promote Christianity
No, thanks.

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smfh
You may need a course of antibiotics.
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Old 14th September 2018, 08:54 AM   #358
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Originally Posted by aleCcowaN View Post
Very simple: Nowhere.

This thread is for the purpose of you expressing your hate for atheists, as it's shown in the loaded title you chose "Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful". It was never about Marxism or Chinese people or culture.
Oh dear, the ridiculous "hate speech" claims raise their ridiculous head again.

"loaded" title, wow.
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Originally Posted by Crossbow View Post
So name this nation which requires all of its inhabitants to be atheists.


Seriously, how is it humanly possible to go from this:

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say, here is a super easy way to tell. If a nation is Officially Atheist, that is a pretty "tip off."

/One would have to be profoundly unaware of Soviet and Chinese pogroms over the last century to make such an unbelievably absurd statement. Just shaking my head at the depths people will go to ignore the facts.
To this

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So name this nation which requires all of its inhabitants to be atheists.
I never made this claim, nor has anyone made such a claim.

The posts by the atheist apologists in this thread are stunning in how disingenuous they are.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I never made this claim, nor has anyone made such a claim.



Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
If a nation is Officially Atheist, that is a pretty "tip off."

Do you know what a nation is? Oh, I see, you wanted to sound posh and use a "synonym" of country.
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