Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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The Great Zaganza said:
What Trump apologists don't get is that Mueller's goal isn't to send Manafort, Gates, the Russian trolls and GRU officers to prison: they are all part of the investigation, not the aim of it.
Mueller is preparing a comprehensive report on the Russian interference in the election and their connection to the campaigns. The fact that Trump and his family haven't been directly implicated is actually a very bad sign for the President. Mueller could have made his life a whole lot easier if he had given Trump a slap on the wrist but blamed everything on Russia.
The fact that he still wants an interview with Trump means that Trump is a key focus of the investigation.
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Exactly. And the fact that his lawyers are fighting so hard to prevent or severely control that interview is very telling. I believe one lawyer came right out and told Mueller Trump couldn't testify because he can't NOT lie.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That's a 'but her emails' GOP trait. It's not confined to Trump.

It's probably a human nature thing connected to confirmation bias. Pick out the one thing that fits your argument as if that thing existed in isolation.
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It is a human nature thing connected to confirmation bias. To go a little further, like most human nature things, different general types of people exhibit behaviors at different rates and furthermore, the rate of various behaviors occurring can be altered with social engineering projects, both in positive ways and in negative ways.

In this case, I would dare to say that conservatives are more... close-minded and fearful of change in general (hence why they qualify as conservative in the first place), which translates to making it more difficult to break their confirmation bias. In addition to that, conservatives tend to "respect" authority more, and when "authorities" like Limbaugh and Fox News are slipped into their trusted sources, that social engineering has managed to show its effects quite powerfully.
 
The thing about Confirmation Bias is that it only applies if there is not enough data to make accurate inferences.
We could guess that the Stormy Daniels story was accurate, because Trump has a proud history of infidelity.
It is much harder to come to the conclusion that Clinton is running a pedophile ring.
 
Trump Tweeted

“These law enforcement people took the law into their own hands when it came to President Trump.” @LindseyGrahamSC"
 
smartcooky said:
There is someone who was on the news a lot a few weeks ago, who seems who have fallen off the radar recently, and that's Maria Butina. IIRC her alleged business was funnelling money through the NRA to GOP candidates.

I am sure that she is an important line in this game of political "join the dots". I wonder why we're not hearing much about her?

I am expecting that the Special Counsel will be digging into her activities.
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She's currently in gaol, and keeps being visited by Russian diplomats. Several people with knowledge of how the Russians run intelligence operations are saying that those visits do not bode well for her continuing health.
 
Sherkeu said:
If Woodward is right today, as he was then, then the basis for the Mueller probe is 'garbage' and there is no evidence to be found for collusion. He tried really hard to find it and could not.
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Woodward wasn't looking for evidence of a conspiracy at all.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The thing about Confirmation Bias is that it only applies if there is not enough data to make accurate inferences.
We could guess that the Stormy Daniels story was accurate, because Trump has a proud history of infidelity.
It is much harder to come to the conclusion that Clinton is running a pedophile ring.
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Do you forget the "facts" provided by right-wing propaganda, frequently tailor-made to target them and pointedly fallacious (which also has the side effect of undermining critical thinking in general)? Demoncrats are lying, immoral, bleeding-heart scumbags who came to power by the votes of illegals and dead people, after all.
 
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Aridas said:
Do you forget the "facts" provided by right-wing propaganda, frequently tailor-made to target them and pointedly fallacious (which also has the side effect of undermining critical thinking in general)? Demoncrats are lying, immoral, bleeding-heart scumbags who came to power by the votes of illegals and dead people, after all.
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Matt Taibbi was not exaggerating here:

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...s-was-one-of-the-worst-americans-ever-111156/

Roger Ailes Was One of the Worst Americans Ever
Fox News founder made this the hate-filled, moronic country it is today
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We are a hate-filled, paranoid, untrusting, book-dumb and bilious people whose chief source of recreation is slinging insults and threats at each other online, and we’re that way in large part because of the hyper-divisive media environment he discovered.

Ailes was the Christopher Columbus of hate. When the former daytime TV executive and political strategist looked across the American continent, he saw money laying around in giant piles. He knew all that was needed to pick it up was a) the total abandonment of any sense of decency or civic duty in the news business, and b) the factory-like production of news stories that spoke to Americans’ worst fantasies about each other.
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autumn1971 said:
Does reading Trump tweets count as seeing Russia from your house?
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FACT CHECK: Did Sarah Palin Say: ‘I Can See Russia from My House’?
Paradoxically, one of the common features of catch phrases associated with famous figures (both real and fictional) is that those phrases are often caricatures that do not reflect statements actually made by the people with whom they’re associated.

2008 GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin did not say 'I can see Russia from my house.' That line originated with an SNL spoof.
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Russian-US tycoon boasted of ‘active’ involvement in Trump election campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...vement-in-trump-election-campaign-simon-kukes

A Russian-American businessman who donated a substantial sum to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential election effort boasted to a senior figure in Moscow that he was “actively involved” in the Republican candidate’s campaign, the Guardian can reveal.

Simon Kukes said he was helping Trump with “strategy development” and shared photos of his 29-year-old Russian girlfriend posing with the future president.
 
TheSupermeerkat said:
Russian-US tycoon boasted of ‘active’ involvement in Trump election campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...vement-in-trump-election-campaign-simon-kukes

A Russian-American businessman who donated a substantial sum to Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential election effort boasted to a senior figure in Moscow that he was “actively involved” in the Republican candidate’s campaign, the Guardian can reveal.

Simon Kukes said he was helping Trump with “strategy development” and shared photos of his 29-year-old Russian girlfriend posing with the future president.
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Seriously, Simon Kukes? That's the guy's name? Does he post comments over on Bellingcat?
 
autumn1971 said:
We all know that Palin didn’t say that, but she explicitly said she had diplomatic experience because a foreign country was visible from her state.
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Full Transcript: Charlie Gibson Interviews GOP Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin
GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they're doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I'm giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia.
We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We've learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.
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When taken in context it's obvious that Palin was not saying she gained diplomatic experience from being closer Russia, just that it gave her a different perspective. And when you look at the Globe from the top her analogy makes sense. Palin may have been diplomatically inexperienced and grossly ignorant of world affairs in general, but she wasn't wrong about Russia.

Who Was Right on Ukraine: Sarah Palin or FP?
In late October 2008, in the heat of the U.S. presidential campaign, Sarah Palin took to a stage in Reno, Nevada, and announced that if Barack Obama were elected president of the United States, Russia might invade Ukraine. "After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next," Palin said.

Foreign Policy’s Blake Hounshell called that hypothetical "an extremely far-fetched scenario."...

Well, this week Russia did in fact invade Ukraine.
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The "I Can See Russia from My House" meme is not only false, it misrepresents what Palin said and her intent. If you think perpetuating this lie is OK, then what about these (actual Obama quotes)?

"You can keep your doctor"

"and over the last 15 months we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in fifty seven states"

"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket"

"After my election I have more flexibility"

All good fodder for partisan political point scoring, but anyone who cares about truth and fairness should decry their use no matter which 'side' it comes from.
 

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Roger Ramjets said:
Full Transcript: Charlie Gibson Interviews GOP Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin


When taken in context it's obvious that Palin was not saying she gained diplomatic experience from being closer Russia, just that it gave her a different perspective. And when you look at the Globe from the top her analogy makes sense. Palin may have been diplomatically inexperienced and grossly ignorant of world affairs in general, but she wasn't wrong about Russia.

Who Was Right on Ukraine: Sarah Palin or FP?


The "I Can See Russia from My House" meme is not only false, it misrepresents what Palin said and her intent. If you think perpetuating this lie is OK, then what about these (actual Obama quotes)?

"You can keep your doctor"

"and over the last 15 months we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in fifty seven states"

"Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket"

"After my election I have more flexibility"

All good fodder for partisan political point scoring, but anyone who cares about truth and fairness should decry their use no matter which 'side' it comes from.
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Now let's include the relevant statement the satire was actually based on:

“They’re our next door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

In this statement, she intends for physical proximity of Alaska and Russia to somehow imply her being familiar with the international diplomacy of world superpowers.

Case closed.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
Now let's include the relevant statement the satire was actually based on:

“They’re our next door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

In this statement, she intends for physical proximity of Alaska and Russia to somehow imply her being familiar with the international diplomacy of world superpowers.

Case closed.
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I'm not seeing her claiming to be "familiar with the international diplomacy of world superpowers," but speaking to how she values diplomacy between world superpowers because of how physically close Russia is to Alaska.
 
This is not a good look for Rohrabacher or the GOP.

House Intelligence Committee Republicans voted on Friday against releasing interview transcripts of one of their House GOP colleagues that Democrats consider significant for the panel’s now-shuttered Russia probe.

Two sources told The Daily Beast on Friday morning that Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee wanted their GOP colleagues to disclose an account given to the panel by Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA), who is considered the Republican legislator closest to the Kremlin.

“The Republicans are trying to conceal from the voters their colleague Dana Rohrabacher’s Russia investigation testimony,” said a committee source familiar with the issue. “There were highly concerning contacts between Rohrabacher and Russians during the campaign that the public should hear about.”

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The Republicans also voted against releasing interviews from the Russia probe with several pivotal former intelligence officials. They include James Comey, the FBI director President Trump fired; John Brennan, the ex-CIA director whose security clearance Trump stripped; and Michael Rogers, who this year stepped down as the head of the National Security Agency. The three men presided over the January 2017 intelligence assessment that stated Russia interfered in the 2016 election.
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