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CapelDodger · 25th October 2018, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

Have you missed the part where he says he votes for whoever his wife tells him to?

Marriage is slavery.

BobTheCoward · 25th October 2018, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Some people being you. Did that get past you?

My views are nonsense. So what? If we agree that they are nonsense, then it is difficult to fit them in the US dichotomy. If they are sufficiently different, it may not be possible, and choosing one isn't possible.

Captain_Swoop · 25th October 2018, 04:53 AM

Trump Tweets

"A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!"

"The so-called experts on Trump over at the New York Times wrote a long and boring article on my cellphone usage that is so incorrect I do not have time here to correct it. I only use Government Phones, and have only one seldom used government cell phone. Story is soooo wrong!"

"Brandon Judd of the National Border Patrol Council is right when he says on
@foxandfriends
that the Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the Border. MUST BE CHANDED, but I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!"

The Great Zaganza · 25th October 2018, 05:01 AM

I heard that Libertarians are all for using the Military domestically.

TheSupermeerkat · 25th October 2018, 05:07 AM

President Trump said one day after explosive devices were sent to prominent Democrats and CNN that "a big part" of the anger in society today is caused by "purposely false and inaccurate reporting" from mainstream media

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...sely-false-and

Coming soon: if people don’t want bombs sending to them, maybe they shouldn’t lie.

lomiller · 25th October 2018, 05:56 AM

Originally Posted by TomB

Why is the only way to take a stand against a racist candidate voting for the democratic candidate whom you also dislike, albeit to a lesser extent? To me that's problematic.

I guess that depends on whether you dislike the Democratic candidate for actual reasons or whether you are just buying into propaganda spread by the racists. If it's the latter you'll never find a Democratic candidate you like because the propaganda will never stop.

Worm · 25th October 2018, 05:57 AM

Quote:

The media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories."

This man has no discernible sense of irony.

pgwenthold · 25th October 2018, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Worm

This man has no discernible sense of irony.

I guess I don't get it. The media has been fanning flames of hostility toward republicans, and therefore, some democratic operative has sent bombs to prominent democrats to try to discredit republicans?

The Great Zaganza · 25th October 2018, 06:30 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

I guess I don't get it. The media has been fanning flames of hostility toward republicans, and therefore, some democratic operative has sent bombs to prominent democrats to try to discredit republicans?

Pretending for a moment you are right :
this false flag wouldn't be credible if Trump wasn't always so hostile. You think anyone would have believed that Carter supporters had sent such packages to leaders of the opposition?

varwoche · 25th October 2018, 06:31 AM

Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows

What others (Antifa/Democrats) are saying:

"Everyone in the US: start shooting fascists now.

"I repeat: it's time to start shooting the bastards, America. You have reached the stage at which little time remains to stop the momentum and the humanitarian cost of civil war no longer clearly exceeds that of not doing so."

-- Andre (Oct 21, 2018)

"That's what this new Democratic Party is about." -- Eric Holder

There's now a thread where you can foist this nonsense on-topic.

Belz... · 25th October 2018, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

My views are nonsense. So what?

Well, so we can ignore them.

Well done.

BobTheCoward · 25th October 2018, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Well, so we can ignore them.

Well done.

I always tell people here I would never assert that my views need to be considered. I'm not so full of myself to assert that.

Hlafordlaes · 25th October 2018, 06:51 AM

JFK, RFK, MLK: Assassinated. Any Republicans on that list? Nope.

Mass shootings by the Left: Few and far between.
Mass shootings by the Right: Check your watch.

So what has TRUMPublicans panicking? Oh, right, same as ever: fear and their deeply cowardly response to it, dropping all principles while taking flight and shooting wild. Today, anything goes to shore up whine boy egos and hold their trembling hands. Poor things.

You'd think these strutting beefballs would have some tiny clue as to what spine is, but no luck: pure jello. Their Big Poobah can't even handle the WH Correspondents Dinner, let alone loyal opposition.

But hey! Historical lows in weak and clueless. Record-breakers after all!

ponderingturtle · 25th October 2018, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes

JFK, RFK, MLK: Assassinated. Any Republicans on that list? Nope.

Well they did make a good go at Reagan. But that was caused by love, not politics.

lomiller · 25th October 2018, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

That is, functionally, Republicans will not remain one party for much longer. The House failed to pass an immigration bill this year because the law-and-order vote conflicted with the pork-for-farm-states vote. IOW farm states did not want E-Verify (not exactly pork, but definitely an economic issue). The impasses have been somewhat eclipsed by higher-profile solidarity (Supreme Court, tax cuts), but the impasses are real, too. They will continue to affect The Wall, possible further tax cuts etc.

The problem is Republican voters no longer care about any of these distinctions or contradictions. In such cases they will support either, neither or both sides so long as it’s the accepted Republican position. This means whoever breaks away becomes the automatic looser in the debate and Republicans will be unified behind whoever remains.

Originally Posted by Minoosh

The toxic aspects of the current GOP brand will pick up steam while a more moderate branch will - I hope - gravitate toward protecting coverage for pre-existing conditions, possible DREAM Act etc., knowing that the world moves on and trying to get the '50s, or the '40s, or the 1850s back is a waste of effort.

The pattern of the Republican party over the last 25 years is that the toxic brand overwhelms the moderates and the moderates leave. The leaders of the toxic side are now the most moderate and are chased out the same way by an even more extreme and toxic brand.

Aridas · 25th October 2018, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

"The so-called experts on Trump over at the New York Times wrote a long and boring article on my cellphone usage that is so incorrect I do not have time here to correct it. I only use Government Phones, and have only one seldom used government cell phone. Story is soooo wrong!"

Mmm. If it actually is false, what are the chances that Trump made up the story himself and purposely "leaked" it as a distraction?

Segnosaur · 25th October 2018, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets
"Brandon Judd of the National Border Patrol Council is right when he says on
@foxandfriends
that the Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the Border. MUST BE CHANDED, but I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!"

Oh good, I was worried he was actually demanding changes to immigration policy. But he's only asking for chanded.

lobosrul5 · 25th October 2018, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by BobTheCoward

I'm culpable for both of those slavers. The choice I make, the moral one, is a hard, lonely road.

ETA: I also never denied culpability. of course I am. Do you know that line in CCR, "Watergate does not bother me, does your conscience bother you?"

Yes, 100%, all the time. I have a lot of shame from Watergate.

Lynyrd Skynyrd dude.

BobTheCoward · 25th October 2018, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Lynyrd Skynyrd dude.

Thank you.

Trebuchet · 25th October 2018, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by Worm

This man has no discernible sense ~~of irony~~.

Fixed that for you.

Fast Eddie B · 25th October 2018, 09:16 AM

Re: “CHANDED” and Trump’s general word usage, I’m reminded of an episode of Radiolab. It was about a study of nuns, where they tracked their written vocabulary. Using fewer words over time was correlated with Alzheimer’s and/or dementia

Just sayin’.

Found it: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/91960-vanishing-words

LSSBB · 25th October 2018, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by lomiller

The pattern of the Republican party over the last 25 years is that the toxic brand overwhelms the moderates and the moderates leave. The leaders of the toxic side are now the most moderate and are chased out the same way by an even more extreme and toxic brand.

A good read on this unfortunate purging:

https://www.vox.com/2015/9/29/9416259/rino-word-history

AnonyMoose · 25th October 2018, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

"A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!"

Translation:

"Any dissenting voices against me will get a bomb in their mailbox... and deserve it."

Heil Hitler!

Craig4 · 25th October 2018, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by TofuFighter

I think most people feel your frustration with Trump, but it appears from a lot of your posts in this thread that you have abandoned all skeptical/rational positions with regard to him/republicans/his supporters.

This does nothing but a disservice to yourself and to the forum in general.
Will you reconsider what you're doing?

No. It's good to dehumanize Trump and his supporters. Success in 2020 will largely depend on getting real Americans to see Trump supporters as a distrusted other. Lesser of two evil voters won't vote for a president they don't see as a person and won't want to join a group not seen as fully American. How Trump supporters see immigrants is how real Americans need to see Trump supporters.

Belz... · 25th October 2018, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump Tweets

"A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!"

I'm sure he thinks he came up with the term, too.

Quote:

"Brandon Judd of the National Border Patrol Council is right when he says on
@foxandfriends
that the Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the Border. MUST BE CHANDED, but I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!"

Must stop those regular people!

dudalb · 25th October 2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

No. It's good to dehumanize Trump and his supporters. Success in 2020 will largely depend on getting real Americans to see Trump supporters as a distrusted other. Lesser of two evil voters won't vote for a president they don't see as a person and won't want to join a group not seen as fully American. How Trump supporters see immigrants is how real Americans need to see Trump supporters.

At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump.
Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends.

ponderingturtle · 25th October 2018, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump.
Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends.

Yep this is why self defense never works. And why the cops really needed to step things up instead of caving at stonewall.

Lurch · 25th October 2018, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Minoosh

Have you missed the part where he says he votes for whoever his wife tells him to?

Kitty-flogged, is he?

Stacko · 25th October 2018, 12:26 PM

Trump’s tweet claiming he 'only uses government phones' was sent from an iPhone

He's so stupid.

dudalb · 25th October 2018, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Yep this is why self defense never works. And why the cops really needed to step things up instead of caving at stonewall.

Question becomes what you mean by self defense.

TomB · 25th October 2018, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes

JFK, RFK, MLK: Assassinated. Any Republicans on that list? Nope.

Assassinated:
Abraham Lincoln
James Garfield
William McKinley

Wounded in attempts:
Theodore Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan

Avoided injury in an unsuccessful attempt:
Gerald Ford (Twice)

acbytesla · 25th October 2018, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump.
Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends.

The most perfect example of that in my mind was Robespierre. He was against capital punishment and yet thought it was necessary at the time to achieve his ideal government of the people. He replaced the the tyranny of the Bourbons with his own reign of terror, the execution of Louis the 16th and Marie Antoinette. But his means justifying the ends approach resulted with Robespierre's own turn at guillotine.

Craig4 · 25th October 2018, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump.
Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends.

If you're going to fight, win.

acbytesla · 25th October 2018, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by TomB

Assassinated:
Abraham Lincoln
James Garfield
William McKinley

Wounded in attempts:
Theodore Roosevelt
Ronald Reagan

Avoided injury in an unsuccessful attempt:
Gerald Ford (Twice)

As was Harry Truman (also twice)

According to Wikipedia there have been 30 Presidentila assasination attempts. Some closer than others.

P.J. Denyer · 25th October 2018, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by CapelDodger

Marriage is slavery.

It's only slavery if there's whips and chai.....

I've said too much.

ponderingturtle · 25th October 2018, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Question becomes what you mean by self defense.

Not getting your head broken when counterprotesting nazis.

Ladewig · 25th October 2018, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Aridas

Mmm. If it actually is false, what are the chances that Trump made up the story himself and purposely "leaked" it as a distraction?

Interesting. The story originally broke in the Spring and then faded away.

dudalb · 25th October 2018, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

The most perfect example of that in my mind was Robespierre. He was against capital punishment and yet thought it was necessary at the time to achieve his ideal government of the people. He replaced the the tyranny of the Bourbons with his own reign of terror, the execution of Louis the 16th and Marie Antoinette. But his means justifying the ends approach resulted with Robespierre's own turn at guillotine.

Using bad Means seem to always end up corrupting the user.
The Irony of the French Revolution is it ended up in a Military Dictatorship.

dudalb · 25th October 2018, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

If you're going to fight, win.

That might be justified in a actual war, but las time I looked we have not reached that stage..yet.

Darat · 25th October 2018, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Worm

This man has no discernible sense ~~of irony~~ .

FTFY

25th October 2018, 04:24 AM	#1641
CapelDodger Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cardiff, South Wales Posts: 24,397	Originally Posted by Minoosh Have you missed the part where he says he votes for whoever his wife tells him to? Marriage is slavery.
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25th October 2018, 04:53 AM	#1643
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 21,645	Trump Tweets "A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!" "The so-called experts on Trump over at the New York Times wrote a long and boring article on my cellphone usage that is so incorrect I do not have time here to correct it. I only use Government Phones, and have only one seldom used government cell phone. Story is soooo wrong!" "Brandon Judd of the National Border Patrol Council is right when he says on @foxandfriends that the Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the Border. MUST BE CHANDED, but I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!"
	Last edited by Captain_Swoop; 25th October 2018 at 04:56 AM.

25th October 2018, 05:01 AM	#1644
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 8,917	I heard that Libertarians are all for using the Military domestically.
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25th October 2018, 05:56 AM	#1646
lomiller Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9,915	Originally Posted by TomB Why is the only way to take a stand against a racist candidate voting for the democratic candidate whom you also dislike, albeit to a lesser extent? To me that's problematic. I guess that depends on whether you dislike the Democratic candidate for actual reasons or whether you are just buying into propaganda spread by the racists. If it's the latter you'll never find a Democratic candidate you like because the propaganda will never stop.
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25th October 2018, 05:57 AM	#1647
Worm Master Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Dundee Posts: 2,901	Quote: The media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories." This man has no discernible sense of irony.
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25th October 2018, 04:45 AM	#1642
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 17,227	Originally Posted by Belz... Some people being you. Did that get past you? My views are nonsense. So what? If we agree that they are nonsense, then it is difficult to fit them in the US dichotomy. If they are sufficiently different, it may not be possible, and choosing one isn't possible.

25th October 2018, 05:07 AM	#1645
TheSupermeerkat Critical Thinker Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 462	President Trump said one day after explosive devices were sent to prominent Democrats and CNN that "a big part" of the anger in society today is caused by "purposely false and inaccurate reporting" from mainstream media https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...sely-false-and Coming soon: if people don’t want bombs sending to them, maybe they shouldn’t lie.

25th October 2018, 06:26 AM	#1648
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 18,185	Originally Posted by Worm This man has no discernible sense of irony. I guess I don't get it. The media has been fanning flames of hostility toward republicans, and therefore, some democratic operative has sent bombs to prominent democrats to try to discredit republicans?
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25th October 2018, 06:30 AM	#1649
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 8,917	Originally Posted by pgwenthold I guess I don't get it. The media has been fanning flames of hostility toward republicans, and therefore, some democratic operative has sent bombs to prominent democrats to try to discredit republicans? Pretending for a moment you are right : this false flag wouldn't be credible if Trump wasn't always so hostile. You think anyone would have believed that Carter supporters had sent such packages to leaders of the opposition?
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25th October 2018, 06:31 AM	#1650
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 12,932	Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows What others (Antifa/Democrats) are saying: "Everyone in the US: start shooting fascists now. "I repeat: it's time to start shooting the bastards, America. You have reached the stage at which little time remains to stop the momentum and the humanitarian cost of civil war no longer clearly exceeds that of not doing so." -- Andre (Oct 21, 2018) "That's what this new Democratic Party is about." -- Eric Holder There's now a thread where you can foist this nonsense on-topic.
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25th October 2018, 06:36 AM	#1651
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 83,937	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward My views are nonsense. So what? Well, so we can ignore them. Well done.
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25th October 2018, 06:38 AM	#1652
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 17,227	Originally Posted by Belz... Well, so we can ignore them. Well done. I always tell people here I would never assert that my views need to be considered. I'm not so full of myself to assert that.

25th October 2018, 06:51 AM	#1653
Hlafordlaes Disorder of Kilopi Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: State of Flux Posts: 10,350	JFK, RFK, MLK: Assassinated. Any Republicans on that list? Nope. Mass shootings by the Left: Few and far between. Mass shootings by the Right: Check your watch. So what has TRUMPublicans panicking? Oh, right, same as ever: fear and their deeply cowardly response to it, dropping all principles while taking flight and shooting wild. Today, anything goes to shore up whine boy egos and hold their trembling hands. Poor things. You'd think these strutting beefballs would have some tiny clue as to what spine is, but no luck: pure jello. Their Big Poobah can't even handle the WH Correspondents Dinner, let alone loyal opposition. But hey! Historical lows in weak and clueless. Record-breakers after all!
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25th October 2018, 06:53 AM	#1654
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 47,170	Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes JFK, RFK, MLK: Assassinated. Any Republicans on that list? Nope. Well they did make a good go at Reagan. But that was caused by love, not politics.
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25th October 2018, 07:07 AM	#1655
lomiller Philosopher Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 9,915	Originally Posted by Minoosh That is, functionally, Republicans will not remain one party for much longer. The House failed to pass an immigration bill this year because the law-and-order vote conflicted with the pork-for-farm-states vote. IOW farm states did not want E-Verify (not exactly pork, but definitely an economic issue). The impasses have been somewhat eclipsed by higher-profile solidarity (Supreme Court, tax cuts), but the impasses are real, too. They will continue to affect The Wall, possible further tax cuts etc. The problem is Republican voters no longer care about any of these distinctions or contradictions. In such cases they will support either, neither or both sides so long as it’s the accepted Republican position. This means whoever breaks away becomes the automatic looser in the debate and Republicans will be unified behind whoever remains. Originally Posted by Minoosh The toxic aspects of the current GOP brand will pick up steam while a more moderate branch will - I hope - gravitate toward protecting coverage for pre-existing conditions, possible DREAM Act etc., knowing that the world moves on and trying to get the '50s, or the '40s, or the 1850s back is a waste of effort. The pattern of the Republican party over the last 25 years is that the toxic brand overwhelms the moderates and the moderates leave. The leaders of the toxic side are now the most moderate and are chased out the same way by an even more extreme and toxic brand.
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25th October 2018, 07:55 AM	#1656
Aridas Crazy Little Green Dragon Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,277	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop "The so-called experts on Trump over at the New York Times wrote a long and boring article on my cellphone usage that is so incorrect I do not have time here to correct it. I only use Government Phones, and have only one seldom used government cell phone. Story is soooo wrong!" Mmm. If it actually is false, what are the chances that Trump made up the story himself and purposely "leaked" it as a distraction?
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25th October 2018, 08:05 AM	#1657
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 13,493	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets "Brandon Judd of the National Border Patrol Council is right when he says on @foxandfriends that the Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the Border. MUST BE CHANDED, but I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!" Oh good, I was worried he was actually demanding changes to immigration policy. But he's only asking for chanded.
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25th October 2018, 08:31 AM	#1658
lobosrul5 Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 1,766	Originally Posted by BobTheCoward I'm culpable for both of those slavers. The choice I make, the moral one, is a hard, lonely road. ETA: I also never denied culpability. of course I am. Do you know that line in CCR, "Watergate does not bother me, does your conscience bother you?" Yes, 100%, all the time. I have a lot of shame from Watergate. Lynyrd Skynyrd dude.

25th October 2018, 08:35 AM	#1659
BobTheCoward Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 17,227	Originally Posted by lobosrul5 Lynyrd Skynyrd dude. Thank you.

25th October 2018, 08:47 AM	#1660
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Great Northwet Posts: 22,268	Originally Posted by Worm This man has no discernible sense ~~of irony~~. Fixed that for you.
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25th October 2018, 09:16 AM	#1661
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 5,721	Re: “CHANDED” and Trump’s general word usage, I’m reminded of an episode of Radiolab. It was about a study of nuns, where they tracked their written vocabulary. Using fewer words over time was correlated with Alzheimer’s and/or dementia Just sayin’. Found it: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/91960-vanishing-words
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25th October 2018, 09:25 AM	#1662
LSSBB Devilish Dictionarian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: An elusive house at Bachelors Grove Cemetery Posts: 19,951	Originally Posted by lomiller The pattern of the Republican party over the last 25 years is that the toxic brand overwhelms the moderates and the moderates leave. The leaders of the toxic side are now the most moderate and are chased out the same way by an even more extreme and toxic brand. A good read on this unfortunate purging: https://www.vox.com/2015/9/29/9416259/rino-word-history
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25th October 2018, 09:26 AM	#1663
AnonyMoose Muse Join Date: May 2018 Location: Land of the Frozen Chosen Posts: 553	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets "A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!" Translation: "Any dissenting voices against me will get a bomb in their mailbox... and deserve it." Heil Hitler!
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25th October 2018, 09:35 AM	#1664
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 18,552	Originally Posted by TofuFighter I think most people feel your frustration with Trump, but it appears from a lot of your posts in this thread that you have abandoned all skeptical/rational positions with regard to him/republicans/his supporters. This does nothing but a disservice to yourself and to the forum in general. Will you reconsider what you're doing? No. It's good to dehumanize Trump and his supporters. Success in 2020 will largely depend on getting real Americans to see Trump supporters as a distrusted other. Lesser of two evil voters won't vote for a president they don't see as a person and won't want to join a group not seen as fully American. How Trump supporters see immigrants is how real Americans need to see Trump supporters.

25th October 2018, 09:36 AM	#1665
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 83,937	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump Tweets "A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!" I'm sure he thinks he came up with the term, too. Quote: "Brandon Judd of the National Border Patrol Council is right when he says on @foxandfriends that the Democrat inspired laws make it tough for us to stop people at the Border. MUST BE CHANDED, but I am bringing out the military for this National Emergency. They will be stopped!" Must stop those regular people!
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25th October 2018, 11:07 AM	#1666
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 44,646	Originally Posted by Craig4 No. It's good to dehumanize Trump and his supporters. Success in 2020 will largely depend on getting real Americans to see Trump supporters as a distrusted other. Lesser of two evil voters won't vote for a president they don't see as a person and won't want to join a group not seen as fully American. How Trump supporters see immigrants is how real Americans need to see Trump supporters. At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump. Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends.
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25th October 2018, 11:27 AM	#1667
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 47,170	Originally Posted by dudalb At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump. Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends. Yep this is why self defense never works. And why the cops really needed to step things up instead of caving at stonewall.
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25th October 2018, 12:01 PM	#1668
Lurch Muse Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 861	Originally Posted by Minoosh Have you missed the part where he says he votes for whoever his wife tells him to? Kitty-flogged, is he?
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25th October 2018, 12:26 PM	#1669
Stacko Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,837	Trump’s tweet claiming he 'only uses government phones' was sent from an iPhone He's so stupid.

25th October 2018, 12:26 PM	#1670
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 44,646	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Yep this is why self defense never works. And why the cops really needed to step things up instead of caving at stonewall. Question becomes what you mean by self defense.
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25th October 2018, 12:37 PM	#1671
TomB Muse Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 600	Originally Posted by Hlafordlaes JFK, RFK, MLK: Assassinated. Any Republicans on that list? Nope. Assassinated: Abraham Lincoln James Garfield William McKinley Wounded in attempts: Theodore Roosevelt Ronald Reagan Avoided injury in an unsuccessful attempt: Gerald Ford (Twice)
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25th October 2018, 12:56 PM	#1672
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 21,804	Originally Posted by dudalb At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump. Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends. The most perfect example of that in my mind was Robespierre. He was against capital punishment and yet thought it was necessary at the time to achieve his ideal government of the people. He replaced the the tyranny of the Bourbons with his own reign of terror, the execution of Louis the 16th and Marie Antoinette. But his means justifying the ends approach resulted with Robespierre's own turn at guillotine.
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25th October 2018, 01:04 PM	#1673
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Alexandria, VA Home to the Deep State. Posts: 18,552	Originally Posted by dudalb At times I get mad and agree with you, but then I remember if the Anti Trump people adapt Trump tactics whole sale they will end up being little better then Trump. Fact is, the ends justify the means often results in the means taking over the ends. If you're going to fight, win.

25th October 2018, 01:07 PM	#1674
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 21,804	Originally Posted by TomB Assassinated: Abraham Lincoln James Garfield William McKinley Wounded in attempts: Theodore Roosevelt Ronald Reagan Avoided injury in an unsuccessful attempt: Gerald Ford (Twice) As was Harry Truman (also twice) According to Wikipedia there have been 30 Presidentila assasination attempts. Some closer than others.
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25th October 2018, 01:08 PM	#1675
P.J. Denyer Philosopher Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,480	Originally Posted by CapelDodger Marriage is slavery. It's only slavery if there's whips and chai..... I've said too much.
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