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Old 9th December 2018, 06:14 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Can you list these "horrible phony Western wars"?

I'm going to suggest that they were all staged and didn't happen and that you are being paid by those in power to.use conspiracy theories to give the sheeple an illegitimate target for their anger .
Oceania has never been at war with Eurasia we have always been at war with Eastasia. Have you been reading fake news posts by Emannuel Goldstein?
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Old 9th December 2018, 07:33 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
Add in the lives destroyed by antivax conspiracy theories, for example those claiming that the vaccines are attempts by the West to sterilize African Muslims.
And the anti-GMO\Mosanto idiots who block things like Golden Rice
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Old 9th December 2018, 07:54 AM   #243
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And the anti-GMO\Mosanto idiots who block things like Golden Rice
Yes, and don't block Ruby Grapefruits. I'll believe anti GMO protestors are serious the day I see them picketing Ruby Grapefruit and insisting anyone who drinks the juice will turn into a meta human. (It doesn't work the nearest I've come to becoming grapefruit girl is being called a coconut.)
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Old 9th December 2018, 08:48 AM   #244
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
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"Conspiracy theories are dumb, because if they weren't dumb they wouldn't be called conspiracy theories". Not an argument.

You are correct here. This is not an argument, it is a statement of fact.


Yes, I think the disconnect here is that they think "That is a Conspiracy Theory" is used as an argument, when what it actually is is a conclusion.


"Your "facts" are wrong, your "logic" is skewed, your paranoia is apparent, and your conclusions are trash, therefore you're promoting a conspiracy theory." "You're just saying it's illogical because you've already dismissed it as a conspiracy theory!"

Part of the problem might stem from the fact that we can see through their BS so quickly, it appears to them that we're not actually going through that process. But of course, after you've repeatedly seen the Alex Jones "Everything is a False Flag" act that he deploys immediately after virtually everything that happens, it's not too hard to conclude that it's just his usual BS.
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Old 9th December 2018, 08:56 AM   #245
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Originally Posted by MicahJava View Post
We are talking about facts that prove that your notion of Western exceptionalism and planet Earth in general are as fake as the fake unicorns Westerners think North Koreans believe in. The general public should be rightfully confused. The conspiracy theorists are the last who should be blamed.

We are also talking about people who willingly chose to become public figures by appearing on the news, with some choosing to become figures in the gun control movement.

The Alex Jones Sandy Hook lawsuit was a bad thing. No question in my mind that Jones should have the right to question public figures to such an extent. If somebody goes on TV and flaps their mouth, I should be able to flip on a camera and flap my mouth about what they just said. Sorry sometimes people get hurt, but people get hurt the other way too.
But Jones is not being sued for questioning any of the parents. He is being sued because he knowingly made false claims of fact maliciously or with reckless disregard for the truth.

You can go on TV and flap your mouth. You can express doubt (an opinion). You can ask questions. You can point out inconsistencies. The only thing you risk being sued for is making a false claim of fact maliciously and/or recklessly.
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Old 9th December 2018, 09:21 AM   #246
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
But Jones is not being sued for questioning any of the parents. He is being sued because he knowingly made false claims of fact maliciously or with reckless disregard for the truth.

You can go on TV and flap your mouth. You can express doubt (an opinion). You can ask questions. You can point out inconsistencies. The only thing you risk being sued for is making a false claim of fact maliciously and/or recklessly.
and jones is still free to do what he has before. but no one has to give him a venue for it.
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Old 9th December 2018, 11:47 AM   #247
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
Yes, I think the disconnect here is that they think "That is a Conspiracy Theory" is used as an argument, when what it actually is is a conclusion.


"Your "facts" are wrong, your "logic" is skewed, your paranoia is apparent, and your conclusions are trash, therefore you're promoting a conspiracy theory." "You're just saying it's illogical because you've already dismissed it as a conspiracy theory!"

Part of the problem might stem from the fact that we can see through their BS so quickly, it appears to them that we're not actually going through that process. But of course, after you've repeatedly seen the Alex Jones "Everything is a False Flag" act that he deploys immediately after virtually everything that happens, it's not too hard to conclude that it's just his usual BS.
In this specific case these are the basic facts:

December 14, 2012, Adam Lanza shot his mother and then drove to Sandy Hook Elementary School where he murdered 20 children under 7 years of age, and 7 adults.

Immediately after the attack there were the now usual calls for new gun control legislation.

Some of the parents added their voices for new anti-gun legislation.

To date, while some states updated their gun control legislation, there has been no serious change to federal gun legislation based on the events at Sandy Hook (Trump, of all people, has successfully just banned bump-stocks, but this followed another mass shooting).

The legitimate argument to be made is that anti-Second Amendment and garden variety gun control advocates use mass shootings as an attempt to push their agendas. This is not in dispute by any one.

The legitimate counter argument is to point out that none of these shootings happened in a vacuum, and the events leading up to them are mostly different. To tar all gun owners as potential monsters is unrealistic and unreasonable.

The illegitimate argument is the CT BS line that the shooting didn't happen at all, that there were no children killed, and that the parents are really paid performers who parrot anti-gun talking points. There are no facts whatsoever to support this claim (YouTube videos made the by mentally ill, and neo-Nazis are not factual evidence).

CTists never see how this line of thinking undermines their endgame in this case because it makes it easier to dismiss gun-rights advocates who are not mentally ill because they are on the same side of the line as the Sandy Hook CT-Bozos like Alex Jones. They are figuratively shooting themselves in their clown shoes. Their actions ad strain to what is already a heated debate in this country. Their stupidity is counter productive.

What MJ and most CTists are advocating in this case can be framed this way:

I have a right to relieve myself in my pants any time and anywhere I want, no matter if its a hot city bus, subway car, trans-Atlantic flight, or fine restaurant. If the smell bothers you and if my soiled trousers ruin the furniture and carpets that's your problem because I HAVE MY RIGHTS!

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Old 10th December 2018, 06:01 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by Whip View Post
and jones is still free to do what he has before. but no one has to give him a venue for it.
That's the other really important thing to remember. It's only censorship if the government does it. Nothing obligates FaceBook, Twitter or anyone else to give you a venue. They are free to protect their brands and not allow that material on their sites/platforms.
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Old 14th December 2018, 12:18 PM   #249
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Today is the 6th anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre.

Somebody just phoned in a bomb threat to Sandy Hook Elementary:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/san...e-anniversary/

There are so many things I want to say, and all of them would get me banned.

I'll keep it simple.

If you believe that Sandy Hook was a false flag operation, and that there are no dead children, and the parents who have become activists are crisis actors there is no way that you are a good person, and you should be treated as such.
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Old 14th December 2018, 12:22 PM   #250
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well, there has been mass of threats to many different targets the last 2 days
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Old 14th December 2018, 12:35 PM   #251
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Yes, Oklahoma City, and Synagogues. Right now the cops don't think this one is related, but they all share the Neo-Nazi stench.
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Old 14th December 2018, 12:41 PM   #252
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Today is the 6th anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre.

Somebody just phoned in a bomb threat to Sandy Hook Elementary:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/san...e-anniversary/
This is what I define as potential harm caused by the vile garbage Alex Jones spouts.
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Old 14th December 2018, 02:37 PM   #253
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Can you sue someone for being a moronic lunatic?
Unfortunately, no, you can't sue fools just because they are republickers
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Old 14th December 2018, 02:42 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
Today is the 6th anniversary of the Sandy Hook massacre.

Somebody just phoned in a bomb threat to Sandy Hook Elementary:

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/san...e-anniversary/

There are so many things I want to say, and all of them would get me banned.

I'll keep it simple.

If you believe that Sandy Hook was a false flag operation, and that there are no dead children, and the parents who have become activists are crisis actors there is no way that you are a good person, and you should be treated as such.
Actually you could say perhaps, "I would love to see them being involved in medical trials." Just don't go into what is planned for the trials.
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Old 22nd December 2018, 11:57 AM   #255
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If this gets to a court room should be a prime opportunity for all the Sandy Hook deniers to present their evidence it was all staged.
Can't wait.
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Old 22nd December 2018, 05:27 PM   #256
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If this gets to a court room should be a prime opportunity for all the Sandy Hook deniers to present their evidence it was all staged.
Can't wait.

They will be too busy blowing for dollars
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Old 11th January 2019, 01:21 PM   #257
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Families of Sandy Hook shooting victims win legal victory in lawsuit against InfoWars and Alex Jones, after judge grants families’ discovery requests, allowing access to InfoWars’ internal marketing and financial documents. https://abcn.ws/2D2QN4D
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Families of Sandy Hook shooting victims win legal victory in lawsuit against InfoWars and Alex Jones, after judge grants families’ discovery requests, allowing access to InfoWars’ internal marketing and financial documents. https://abcn.ws/2D2QN4D

Let's hope justice is around the corner for the victims and their families maligned by these sick *****

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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Families of Sandy Hook shooting victims win legal victory in lawsuit against InfoWars and Alex Jones, after judge grants families’ discovery requests, allowing access to InfoWars’ internal marketing and financial documents. https://abcn.ws/2D2QN4D
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Let's hope justice is around the corner for the victims and their families maligned by these sick *****

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Alex was on Ground Zero last night. He was bland and cool, bragging about his part as one who helped reveal the truth. Not a word of comment about Sandy Hook at all.

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Sidenote:

Interesting climax to a harassment case here in the UK. It's unrelated to the Sandy Hook tragedy but goes to show what robust implementation of anti-stalking and harassment laws can achieve.


9 Years Jail For 'UK's Worst Troll' Link: Daily Telegraph UK


Originally Posted by Daily Telegraph
Sabine McNeill’s actions forced innocent children to change their names, carry tracking devices and practise panic drills, a court heard.

The 74-year-old, described as one of the UK’s worst trolls, perpetuated “baseless” allegations about families whose lives had been “ruined”.

Just saying like........


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Originally Posted by CompusMentus View Post
Sidenote:

Interesting climax to a harassment case here in the UK. It's unrelated to the Sandy Hook tragedy but goes to show what robust implementation of anti-stalking and harassment laws can achieve.


9 Years Jail For 'UK's Worst Troll' Link: Daily Telegraph UK





Just saying like........


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Jesus, as much as I would love to see Alex Jones go to jail, I can't see that happening in the USA - freedom of speech and all that.
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Jesus, as much as I would love to see Alex Jones go to jail, I can't see that happening in the USA - freedom of speech and all that.
The best we can probably hope for is him being sued into bankruptcy
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Jesus, as much as I would love to see Alex Jones go to jail, I can't see that happening in the USA - freedom of speech and all that.
She was charged with harassment and violating a restraining order.

I have no sympathy for her. But I was surprised it was a woman, I expected a guy.
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Jesus, as much as I would love to see Alex Jones go to jail, I can't see that happening in the USA - freedom of speech and all that.
Depends. If she incited others to violence and people did commit acts of violence I can see it.
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Video streaming service Roku have made a U-turn and removed the Infowars channel from it's servers at last.....

See HERE Link: BBC UK

Originally Posted by BBC
Roku initially defended the decision on the grounds it did not censor content unless it was illegal.
But it has backtracked, after facing widespread criticism.

The noose is tightening.

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Jesus, as much as I would love to see Alex Jones go to jail, I can't see that happening in the USA - freedom of speech and all that.
Trump would pardon him in a heartbeat.
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Sidenote:

Interesting climax to a harassment case here in the UK. It's unrelated to the Sandy Hook tragedy but goes to show what robust implementation of anti-stalking and harassment laws can achieve.


9 Years Jail For 'UK's Worst Troll' Link: Daily Telegraph UK



Just saying like........


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But I was surprised it was a woman, I expected a guy.
Me too, and perhaps we shouldn't be surprised; think of the stereotype of the bitter, meddling, gossiping, poisonous woman turning everyone in the community against each other by constant **** stirring. That is not a stereotype that is without foundation, and this is simply the equivalent of that for the internet age.

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She was charged with harassment and violating a restraining order.

I have no sympathy for her. But I was surprised it was a woman, I expected a guy.
She was convicted of four counts of stalking. Also, some of the several counts of violating a restraining order occurred while she was released on bail awaiting trial.... for violating the restraining order. I've been heavily involved in the fight against this woman and her associates, who have been naming protected children and their parents and accusing innocent people of heinous crimes.

Back on topic, it's good news for the Sandy Hook parents. I hope Alex Jones is forced to publicly retract his loonwaffle and pay $$$$.
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An excellent article in the UK's "The Guardian". Guess who two of the articles have in common...

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...urvivors-truth
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Back on topic, it's good news for the Sandy Hook parents. I hope Alex Jones is forced to publicly retract his loonwaffle and pay $$$$.
What I worry about with that, is if he is forced to retract it would feed right into the "conspiracy" and the mini loonwaffles will offer it as "proof" of the CT and that it must be true.
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Just an update:

https://www.philly.com/news/nation-w...-20190214.html

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A Connecticut judge has ruled that Infowars host Alex Jones must undergo a sworn deposition in the defamation case brought against him by family members of Sandy Hook school shooting victims.
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Excellent.

If he sticks with his story that Sandy Hook was a hoax and that the parents were crisis actors, he will have to present evidence as part of discovery.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't chicken out!
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I think we're apt to see Alex Jones' full range of emotions on display. He'll rage, he'll cry. Can't wait.

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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Excellent.

If he sticks with his story that Sandy Hook was a hoax and that the parents were crisis actors, he will have to present evidence as part of discovery.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't chicken out!
I wonder how the results of his custody battle would play with this, where he claimed he was just acting - which makes him worse in my book, because he's admitted knowing what he's doing.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Excellent.

If he sticks with his story that Sandy Hook was a hoax and that the parents were crisis actors, he will have to present evidence as part of discovery.

I'll be surprised if he doesn't chicken out!
Yeah, now if he lies there are going to be some real severe consequences.
Lying to a bunch of your moronic followers and lying in a sworn deposition are two hugely different things. Do the second, and you have commited perjury and could go to jail.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
I think we're apt to see Alex Jones' full range of emotions on display. He'll rage, he'll cry. Can't wait.

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He is not going to be able to lie without severe consequences, for once. I c an't wait either.
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Good ole Alex will tell the truth on the deposition as I am sure it is just an act then afterwards he'll tell his fans that he was just saying what was necessary to the 'man'.
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Originally Posted by Hans View Post
Good ole Alex will tell the truth on the deposition as I am sure it is just an act then afterwards he'll tell his fans that he was just saying what was necessary to the 'man'.
Fan. Singular. Himself.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Fan. Singular. Himself.
The hardcore might stick, but a lot of the Jones fans who just saw him as a club to beat up the liberals will drop him like a stone if he loses the suit.
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