Merged Tehran high-rise collapse due to fire / Explosion causes collapse of the Plasco bldg?

Oystein said:
12 days after Tony ran away from here, and 6 days after he capitulated in the email discussion with me, he had the Chuzpah to go on Twoof Radio with his shtick:

http://911freefall.com/22317-tony-szamboti-on-ae911truths-plasco-report/

(I did not actually listen to a single second of this, but would appreciate if someone could at least clock the Time to 1st Lie)
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Tony comes on at 18:00. He cites "pulling out molten metal" at ~21:00, which is certainly dishonest, although you could say that he has a degree of plausible deniability on that. :rolleyes:
 
Redwood said:
Tony comes on at 18:00. He cites "pulling out molten metal" at ~21:00, which is certainly dishonest, although you could say that he has a degree of plausible deniability on that. :rolleyes:
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No. He most definitely cannot count on "plausible deniability". I asked him, publicly in this thread and privately in email conversation, part of which I documented here, many many times:

Is it at all possible to literally "pull out" metal that is literally "molten" (meaning "liquid")?​

He refused to answer this simple Yes/No question tooth and nail.
The relevant information here is that he did NOT answer "yes, it is possible at least to literally pull out liquid metal", which documents, loudly and clearly, that Tony is 100% aware that a literal interpretation of the phrase describes something impossible.

He insists in interpreting "molten" literally as "liquid", when other meanings are in the dictionary, such as "red hot, glowing"; while at the same time taking liberties with the interpretation of "pull out".

He is most clearly on record as blatantly dishonest on this.
 
Redwood said:
FYI: http://www.ae911truth.org/news/349-news-media-events-plasco-report.html
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I got bored and started reading this stupidity.

They contradict themselves at every turn.

AE said:
The building was occupied primarily by garment businesses.
Large amounts of fabric were stored on the premises. Reportedly,
the building’s owners were warned on numerous occasions that the building was unsafe due to the storage of
flammable materials throughout the building and the lack of
fire safety measures.6
There was no central heating system
in the building and each tenant had its own heating system,
reportedly fueled with gas or propane.
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AE said:
In seeking to determine the cause of these explosions, we can
look primarily to potential fuel sources known to exist in the
building, as well as to the physical damage produced by the
explosions and to the characteristics of the explosions. We can
also look for consistency with other data discussed later in this
chapter.
NFPA 921 advises, “All available fuel sources should be
considered and eliminated until one fuel can be identified as meeting all of the physical damage criteria as well as any other
significant data.”
So far, no plausible fuel source other than explosives has
been identified.
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I'm only on page nine.
 
WOW, Idiots prove they are idiots.

DGM said:
I got bored and started reading this stupidity.

They contradict themselves at every turn.

I'm only on page nine.
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(bored?, so you picked torture... death by reading ae911t BS)
Wow, proof ae911t are idiots or liars.

So far, no plausible fuel source other than explosives has
been identified. (so say ae911t dolts)
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Large amounts of fabric were stored on the premises. ... owners were warned on numerous occasions that the building was unsafe due to the storage of flammable materials throughout the building and the lack of fire safety measures.
There was no central heating system in the building and each tenant had its own heating system, reportedly fueled with gas or propane.
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Yes, make up explosives, ignore fuel sources posted... ae911t, the dolts who fool dumber dolts.

back to NCAA live... good day
 
Let me get this straight....
Ae911 thinks the tehran building collapse was caused by explosives?
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Let me get this straight....
Ae911 thinks the tehran building collapse was caused by explosives?
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Yes - or perhaps they pretend they think it was another inside demolition job.

You see, they painted themselves in a corner when they decided to put their religious faith into a global claim: "No steel-framed highrise can ever collapse due to fire".
They supported this global claim with anecdotal evidence: They observed that "no other steel-framed highrise has ever collapsed from fire" - this is anecdotal, as it rests only in the finite set of steel-framed highrises that experienced major fires.

The problem is: You cannot prove a global claim with a limited number of examples.

You can however, disprove a global claim with a single refuting example.

And this has happened now: The Plasco building is one example of a steel-framed highrise that collapsed from fire.
This single example disproves the global AE911Truth claim that "no steel-framed highrise can ever collapse due to fire".

Since they are not interested in scientific knowledge but defending a religious faith, they find themselves forced to reject the refuting evidence, and pretend that it was not the fires that brough the Plasco down.
 
Let's not forget the desperate attempt to disqualify this building as a "high-rise". Many post here were wasted counting floors to show it qualified to an arbitrary number of 15 floor to be a "high-rise".
 
Oystein said:
Yes - or perhaps they pretend they think it was another inside demolition job.
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I think that's what they're doing. Your post makes perfect sense to me.

I predict that these claims will be significantly detrimental to AE911Truth's influence on people 'on the fence' about 911 CD, like I was. For a long time I was confused enough about the twin towers and building 7 so as to not be able to make a decision regarding the validity of the controlled demolition claims, and was influenced by the professional support of what appeared to be a credible organization (AE911Truth).

But it is just so unbelievably obvious that there is no reason to consider explosives at the Plasco building, that AE911Truth's claiming there is makes their agenda very clear, even to me.

"They are playing a game. They are playing at not playing a game." - R.D.Laing, 'Knots'
 
The Iranian government has reportedly released the investigation report. The headline is that the Iranian experts concluded that fire was the sole cause of the collapse, though a lack of proper inspections may have lead to unsafe conditions that exacerbated the effects of the fires. Here are the key excerpts from the linked article:

"The report," Rouhani believed, "will greatly contribute to the restoration of public trust and national assets." The report itself however, implicates different organizations and government ministries and Tehran Municipality in the incident in one way or the other. It categorically rejects the hypothesis that 'explosives' had been used in downing (possibly a deliberate action) the building and asserts that solely fire and heat had been the causes of the collapse.

The owner of the building, Mostazafan Foundation had been lax in the face of warnings by authorities on the possibility of disasters; the Municipality is equally implicated by the report as failing to effectively enforce the implementation of Section 14 of Article 55 of Municipality rules and relevant regulations; the Municipality had been systematically negligent in enforcing Section 22 of the National Building Regulations, which addresses the safety of the building and maintenance operations.

Enforcing regulations by the owner and the Municipality had been possible in Plasco Building without affecting the businesses; Ministry of Labor had fallen short of enforcing its share of the job in technical inspection of the building's safety measures against incidents; it violated its inherent and statutory duties which was a factor in Plasco collapse; historically, Ministry of Urban Planning had been lax in enforcing provisions of the National Building Regulations, with Interior Ministry also equally being subject to reprimand accordingly
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(Emphasis added.)

As of the time of my posting of this update, AE911Truth has not publicly commented on the release of this report.

Tony's been in hiding for months after embarrassing himself so thoroughly in this thread, but, Tony, we'd love to hear your thoughts after you put your name on that ridiculous AE911Truth report just a few months ago. Did you not provide the Iranians with your incredibly flawed calculations of a cube of molten metal in a vacuum?
 
Dave Rogers said:
Does this mean that the Iranian government was also part of the 9/11 conspiracy now?

Dave
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Well, if the conspirators wanted to make the AE911Truth groupees looks like even bigger idiots, they couldn't have picked a better country in which to stage such a collapse, rig an investigation, and laugh all the way to the next caper. Watch the news for fires in Venezuela and North Korea; these conspirators will apparently spare no effort or expense in their dastardly, multi-decade plot to make the world believe that Tony Szamboti is laughably wrong and has wasted 15+ years of his life!
 
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Mehr News Agengy, right - it's Iranian state propaganda. :boggled:
(Never stopped truthers from favoring PressTV, of course ) :D

While searching for other articles from Iran, I found this article on the end of the rubble removing operation, 9 days after the collapse:
http://en.farsnews.com/imgrep.aspx?nn=13951109001186
Has some good photos of the mall building and the flimsy remainders of the Plasco, cleaned from rubble and dust. Perhaps helpful for those looking for clues of the collapse mechanism.
 
Oystein said:
Here is an English-language blog and tag from Iran, apparently, to follow news on the Plasco incident:
http://theiranproject.com/blog/tag/plasco-building-collapse/
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Thanks for the link. It brought back old memories. For an example, Tony said:


Tony Szamboti said:
It appears that the Plasco collapse was due to an implosion also.
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But I disagreed with him, so he responded:


Tony Szamboti said:
It sounds like you are proclaiming yourself an expert, so please tell us why you think you can say the ejections from the Plasco building had nothing to do with explosives.

Your response is how you will be graded.
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Tony, here's my report card.


Fire, sole cause of Plasco collapse

http://theiranproject.com/blog/2017/04/06/fire-sole-cause-plasco-collapse/
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