Mike Gravel, Presidential Candidate?

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This article about truther and former U.S. Senator Mike Gravel appeared in Vice today.
A snippet:
Mike Gravel, the Online Left-Wing Sensation, Is Also a 9/11 Truther
"There's no question in my mind that 9/11 was an inside job," the 88-year-old said on a conspiracy theorist's radio show in 2016.
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When former US Senator Mike Gravel announced that he was considering joining the already jam-packed 2020 presidential field, it set a very particular corner of the online political world ablaze. The 88-year-old Alaskan is something of a legend (if an obscure one) in left-wing circles: In 1971, he read part of the Pentagon Papers, a leaked study of the Vietnam War, into the congressional record.
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Now he's back, thanks to some teens. According to Splinter and Politico, a crew of lefty teenagers in New York State reached out to Gravel (who they had heard about thanks to the podcast Chapo Trap House) to ask if they could set up an exploratory committee for a presidential bid and he said he'd be OK with it. The teens then launched a website and a Twitter account that quickly attracted attention for posting in the take-no-prisoners style of the online left...
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Don't know why he is a "left' sensation particularly. Seems his policies, such as they are, are random musings of a fevered mind. Not so much the clutch slipping as the gears never engaging...
 
Norman Alexander said:
Don't know why he is a "left' sensation particularly. Seems his policies, such as they are, are random musings of a fevered mind. Not so much the clutch slipping as the gears never engaging...
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Yeah, in less then a year he went from joining the Libertarian Party to endorsing Bernie Sanders for President. Something of a disconnect there...
Gravel has definently flirted with the kook elements of both the left and the right.
And I have to point out that the left has it's share of kooks.
 
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dudalb said:
Yeah, in less then a year he went from joining the Libertarian Party to endorsing Bernie Sanders for President. Something of a disconnect there...
Gravel has definently flirted with the kook elements of both the left and the right.
And I have to point out that the left has it's share of kooks.
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Please do.

Otherwise we'd forget. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Venom said:
Anti vaccers are strictly not, for the most part, conspiracy theorists.

But how is she an anti vaccer in the first place?
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If Warren was an anti vaxer, I think one of the other Democratic Candidates would have brought that up by now...…
 
dudalb said:
If Warren was an anti vaxer, I think one of the other Democratic Candidates would have brought that up by now...…
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She's not. If you google her on vaccines you'll see that she gave what I would consider a strong statement on vaccines--legit medical exemptions only, no religious exceptions.

The Massachusetts senator responded after publication, saying she supported ending religious and personal exemptions.

"The more we do on the front end to ensure that everyone gets access to vaccines, the less we'll see individuals contracting hepatitis A, measles, whooping cough, and all of the other vaccine-preventable diseases. We must make sure there is robust public health funding so people have access to vaccines," Warren said.

"Medical data proves vaccines are not linked to autism, that they are safe, effective, and our best chance of protecting people from diseases. I support efforts to end religious and personal belief exemptions and believe that we must have real standards for what constitutes a medical exemption."
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Real standards for a medical exemption? Whatever happened to trusting people and their doctors?
 
Venom said:
Anti vaccers are strictly not, for the most part, conspiracy theorists.
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Seriously? It's what, 20 years from Wakefield's fraud and 8 years since the fraud was proven conclusively?
 
Venom said:
Anti vaccers are strictly not, for the most part, conspiracy theorists.
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Seriously? :jaw-dropp

Of course they are.
"Big Pharma is conspiring with all the doctors to inject us with toxins which will make us sick, therefore needing more costly medicines, render us passive and easy to control, and close our third eyes".
How is this not a conspiracy theory?
 
Brainster said:
Seriously? It's what, 20 years from Wakefield's fraud and 8 years since the fraud was proven conclusively?
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Cosmic Yak said:
Seriously? :jaw-dropp

Of course they are.
"Big Pharma is conspiring with all the doctors to inject us with toxins which will make us sick, therefore needing more costly medicines, render us passive and easy to control, and close our third eyes".
How is this not a conspiracy theory?
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I get the impression that the vast majority of anti-vaccine people have simply picked up on the fraud talking points and don't necessarily allege any coverup at any level. To them it's akin to checking food labels for GMO ingredients or factory farm origins.

My sister used to be an anti vax conspiracy theorist, telling me she doesn't trust doctors. Now she works in health service management :D
 
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My sister used to be an anti vax conspiracy theorist, telling me she doesn't trust doctors. Now she works in health service management :D
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And now she finally knows why she really shouldn't trust doctors :D
 
Still amused by Gravel going from Libertarian Party member to Sanders supporter so quickly.
Old Age does terrible things to some people I guess.
 
dudalb said:
Still amused by Gravel going from Libertarian Party member to Sanders supporter so quickly.
Old Age does terrible things to some people I guess.
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I thought Ron Paul was getting close to that when he said he felt "kinship" with Sanders in 2016, but lately on Facebook he's been bashing him.

Ron Paul said:
Bernie Sanders, when confronted about his wealth, and as being among those he has long villainized, became quite defensive:

“I wrote a best-selling book,” he declared. “If you write a best-selling book, you can be a millionaire, too.”

Interesting....

The Sanders wing of the American Left thrives on economic myths.
But Sanders is admitting that delivering a product or service to a large number of people is a key factor in getting rich.

If the key factor to getting rich is to sell something that a lot of people WANT, doesn't that show that "millionaires and billionaires" are providing a benefit to society?
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Venom said:
I get the impression that the vast majority of anti-vaccine people have simply picked up on the fraud talking points and don't necessarily allege any coverup at any level. To them it's akin to checking food labels for GMO ingredients or factory farm origins.
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Not in my experience. The claim is that vaccines instantly cause autism, and so doctors must be covering it up because they can obviously see this instant effect. I tangled with an NHS nurse on FB who claimed that the A & E wards filled up every night with vaccine victims. When I asked her why no-one was speaking up about this, she unloaded a torrent of abuse in a classic CT style, then refused to speak to me again.
I confess I was not entirely broken-hearted.:D
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Not in my experience. The claim is that vaccines instantly cause autism, and so doctors must be covering it up because they can obviously see this instant effect. I tangled with an NHS nurse on FB who claimed that the A & E wards filled up every night with vaccine victims. When I asked her why no-one was speaking up about this, she unloaded a torrent of abuse in a classic CT style, then refused to speak to me again.
I confess I was not entirely broken-hearted.:D
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I love that they often cite Jenny McCarthy as an expert on vaccines. My answer is "and what Univesity did Jenny get her MD from?"
Never was the James Randi Pigasus Award more justly given then in the case of McCarthy.
 
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