Husband in couple formerly held captive by Taliban accused of abuse

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Canadian couple Joshua Boyle and Caitlan Coleman were captured by the Taliban after having entered Afghanistan in 2011, several different reasons for their presence there having been given by Boyle since their return. While in captivity, the couple had three children. They were released and returned to Canada in October of 2017. Two months later, Joshua Boyle was arrested by Ottawa police and charged with 19 different criminal counts, including assault, sexual assault, and unlawful imprisonment. The alleged victim in 17 of those charges is his wife; the identity of the victim of the other two charges is sealed by the court.

The night of Boyle's arrest began when he called 911 to report that his wife had run from their hotel room screaming, inadequately dressed from the cold, and was "suicidal". He emphasized that she had a personality disorder and might say things that shouldn't be trusted.

At Boyle's trial, which began this week, the arresting officer recounted his first meeting with Boyle:

“He told me he did not want to drag Caitlan back to the apartment, he did not want to hit her,” Henderson [the officer] told Ontario Court Judge Peter Doody.

Later, Henderson said, Boyle again said he hadn’t wanted to hit her.

He said their quarrel had been about the kids drawing on the walls and “Caitlan as wife not performing her duties, and her roles and responsibilities as a mother.”

She was upsetting the children, Boyle said, so he told her to stay in the bedroom. “He offered to have sex with Caitlan if she wanted to,” Henderson said.

Boyle said the tension was rising in part because Coleman’s mother, Lynn, was visiting Ottawa, and “Caitlan was unhappy with the cleanliness of the apartment.”

When Henderson asked if she had a cell — police can ping phones to get locations — “Joshua Boyle used a chair and stood above the fridge and retrieved a black flip phone… He said he took her phone away to make sure she didn’t break it. She had broken phones in the past.”

As the police left to look for Coleman, Boyle, according to Henderson, said “he was concerned, as any husband would be, about what Caitlan would say to us when we found her.”

In the middle of the officer's testimony, Boyle jumped from his seat and attempted to flee the courtroom, but was unsuccessful.

According to Caitlan Coleman, Boyle was a physically and emotionally abusive husband even before the two traveled to Afghanistan - she having been compelled to come with him because he wanted to "meet the Taliban" as he felt they were being portrayed unfairly by western press. She says the physical abuse occurred even in the midst of their captivity by the Taliban, and describes beatings, death threats, and humilation. There came a point where she was given only 30 minutes a day to spend with the couple's children, commanded by him to spend the rest of her time in their holding room's bathroom because he could no longer stand to look at her. She says she was told she had to address their toddler children as "sir" or "madam", to emphasize the fact that she was beneath them.

According to Coleman the abuse continued once they were released and returned to Ottawa. During one such abusive episode, in which Coleman alleges she was made to strip naked to prevent her from leaving and force-fed Boyle's antidepressant pills, she finally burst from the hotel room and ran to that of her mother, who was also in Ottawa to visit the couple.

Boyle opted for a no-jury trial and presumably will be testifying next week.
 
No offence, but was there a point you were trying to make about this story, by posting it?
 
Do you see something unique about this story, relative to other incidents that threads have been started for in this subforum, that especially merits this question?
 
Daily Mail said:
Caitlan Coleman told court Friday: 'Some of the details are a little bit fuzzy, but he was angry over the fact that I told him that I didn't want to have anal sex, which was something that he expressed to me that he wanted and that he felt he had a right to have with me.

'I was feeling I can't do this anymore.I suggested to Josh I was going to take the children and leave. I just can't do this anymore.

'He got extremely angry. He hit me. My face. He was very, very, very angry at me, that I can't try to leave him.

'He took ropes he kept in a bag and he started to tie my hands and legs. I wasn't resisting him. I was very scared of him so I was just doing what he was telling me to do.'...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6866335/Estranged-wife-ex-Afghan-hostage-says-beat-her.html

I had read about this couple last year before he was accused of assaulting her. I thought that they were exceedingly strange and probably both are mentally ill. He has an ISIS and radical Muslim fetish and she obviously wasn't interested in abandoning him. She should have run away from this lunatic long before they were abducted in Afghanistan, but then she is probably a whackjob as well.
 
An allegedly long term abusive husband finally charged with abuse. OK, good. What are we talking about here? The Taliban in the title doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything, as she said the abuse started before the trip to Afghanistan.
 
I guess that the point of the post is that the husband's misogyni may have been the reason why "he wanted to "meet the Taliban" as he felt they were being portrayed unfairly by western press."
 
Ok. Does that mean we are to infer that the Taliban is not nice, or abusers are attracted to other not nice people? Kind of got both before reading the OP. I'm really not getting the topic here.
 
An allegedly long term abusive husband finally charged with abuse. OK, good. What are we talking about here?

An allegedly long term abusive husband finally charged with abuse.

The Taliban in the title doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything, as she said the abuse started before the trip to Afghanistan.

Oh, sorry. The addition was to provide a possible means of recognition of the subject. This was a couple that had been in the news for being "that Canadian couple who went missing in Afghanistan", and again for being rescued six years later in a military operation; so when you see a headline (or thread title) that says "couple formerly held captive by Taliban" and you're familiar with that event you might think "oh, I know the one you're talking about".

A similar example would be the recent headline Seagram’s heiress Clare Bronfman faints in federal court after judge asks if Michael Avenatti acted as her lawyer. The woman's being heiress to the Seagram liquor fortune doesn't really have anything to do with why she's in court or why she fainted, and you aren't meant to necessarily infer that kind of relevance; but you likely know what Seagram's is, so pointing out her connection to that serves to somewhat further identify the subject of the article. "Ah I see - that person."
 
Oh, sorry. The addition was to provide a possible means of recognition of the subject. This was a couple that had been in the news for being "that Canadian couple who went missing in Afghanistan", and again for being rescued six years later in a military operation; so when you see a headline (or thread title) that says "couple formerly held captive by Taliban" and you're familiar with that event you might think "oh, I know the one you're talking about".

A similar example would be the recent headline Seagram’s heiress Clare Bronfman faints in federal court after judge asks if Michael Avenatti acted as her lawyer. The woman's being heiress to the Seagram liquor fortune doesn't really have anything to do with why she's in court or why she fainted, and you aren't meant to necessarily infer that kind of relevance; but you likely know what Seagram's is, so pointing out her connection to that serves to somewhat further identify the subject of the article. "Ah I see - that person."

Great. So what are we talking about? That we should be less symathetic to their plight, either then or now, or what?
 
Crazy people do crazy things.

If it's true that the two of them went to Afghanistan to "meet the taliban," that alone should be a major red flag on their mental health.
 
Crazy people do crazy things.

If it's true that the two of them went to Afghanistan to "meet the taliban," that alone should be a major red flag on their mental health.

Well, the detail is that only HE wanted to "meet the taliban", and that SHE really had no choice but to come with him; at least that is her court testimony. So it would be a major red flag on his mental health, not necessarily hers. It's also noteworthy that she alleges that on the night she escaped from their hotel room, he had forced her to take several trazadone pills - antidepressants, but notably they were prescribed to him, not her.

During his 911 call Boyle seemed to be going to some length to portray Coleman as "highly disturbed" but the signs seem to be pointing to Boyle as the one with the real problems.
 
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On topic, I'm wary to paint the woman as a whackjob like the man, because #WhyIStayed really wasn't that long ago.
 
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because #WhyIStayed really wasn't that long ago.
#HerToo is about girlfriends and wives who are just as insane as their partner. #HimToo is about boyfriends and husbands who are just as insane as their partner.

Oops, I made those up.

Nevermind, there are no such things as what I just made up. Nobody is as crazy as their crazy partner. Right?
 
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On topic, I'm wary to paint the woman as a whackjob like the man, because #WhyIStayed really wasn't that long ago.

I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for why she followed with him to a place that pretty much amounts to a law-less terrorist infested hellhole, where any westerners are almost certainly going to get kidnapped or murder unless they are under heavy guard.

Almost as safe as jumping down into a volcano.
 
There must be some tourism in the area, they didn't parachute in.

I'm not certain how they got into Afghanistan, although I've read they entered from Kyrgyzstan to the north, but a westerner traveling around the country without an armed escort and trusted guide is pretty much just asking to be kidnapped by someone. Even much of capital isn't safe, hence why most governments advise people against traveling to the country at all.
 
There must be some tourism in the area, they didn't parachute in.

The husband was a wannabe "journalist" (I'm unaware of any actual education along those lines, past or present), so chances are when the couple entered the country he presented himself along those lines, rather than a tourist. Travel to Afghanistan is highly advised against but it's not like the country is closed off to all international travel; the major cities have functioning hotels and I'm sure Kabul has restaurants and suchlike. Same with Bishkek, and also with Islamabad (yet another version of Boyle's muddy narrative had them entering Afghanistan from Pakistan).
 
Canadian couple Joshua Boyle and Caitlan Coleman were captured by the Taliban after having entered Afghanistan in 2011, several different reasons for their presence there having been given by Boyle since their return. While in captivity, the couple had three children. They were released and returned to Canada in October of 2017. Two months later, Joshua Boyle was arrested by Ottawa police and charged with 19 different criminal counts, including assault, sexual assault, and unlawful imprisonment. The alleged victim in 17 of those charges is his wife; the identity of the victim of the other two charges is sealed by the court.

The night of Boyle's arrest began when he called 911 to report that his wife had run from their hotel room screaming, inadequately dressed from the cold, and was "suicidal". He emphasized that she had a personality disorder and might say things that shouldn't be trusted.

At Boyle's trial, which began this week, the arresting officer recounted his first meeting with Boyle:



In the middle of the officer's testimony, Boyle jumped from his seat and attempted to flee the courtroom, but was unsuccessful.

According to Caitlan Coleman, Boyle was a physically and emotionally abusive husband even before the two traveled to Afghanistan - she having been compelled to come with him because he wanted to "meet the Taliban" as he felt they were being portrayed unfairly by western press. She says the physical abuse occurred even in the midst of their captivity by the Taliban, and describes beatings, death threats, and humilation. There came a point where she was given only 30 minutes a day to spend with the couple's children, commanded by him to spend the rest of her time in their holding room's bathroom because he could no longer stand to look at her. She says she was told she had to address their toddler children as "sir" or "madam", to emphasize the fact that she was beneath them.

According to Coleman the abuse continued once they were released and returned to Ottawa. During one such abusive episode, in which Coleman alleges she was made to strip naked to prevent her from leaving and force-fed Boyle's antidepressant pills, she finally burst from the hotel room and ran to that of her mother, who was also in Ottawa to visit the couple.

Boyle opted for a no-jury trial and presumably will be testifying next week.

Wow, that is messed up.
 

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