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18th April 2019, 12:05 PM | #361 |
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18th April 2019, 12:09 PM | #364 |
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The video is definitely something he wants to be taken at face value and not questioned. That much is clear. And he seems to display almost no correct understanding of Newtonian mechanics on his own. I surmise his approach was to assume that whoever made that video must have been very smart, and therefore probably smarter than any critics that might be encountered. Therefore he could just repackage that video and pretend also to be as smart. But it's a cargo-cult approach, obviously. So now there's just gaslighting, arguments trying to get us to agree that the video is correct even when we've presented good reasons why it isn't, reasons he can't address and doesn't want to allow to exist.
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18th April 2019, 12:11 PM | #365 |
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Well, I think the fun of this one is almost exhausted, without obtaining any propulsion.
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18th April 2019, 12:15 PM | #367 |
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18th April 2019, 12:21 PM | #368 |
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18th April 2019, 12:21 PM | #369 |
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18th April 2019, 12:22 PM | #370 |
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Our poster concedes that rockets work in an atmosphere, where there is air to push off from. He denies they work in a vacuum. Because his model appears to predict what is observed when rockets fly in air, he believes it is a correct model. He is uninterested in why his model is wrong. He is similarly uninterested in learning the principles of physics that would also lead to understanding why his purported analogies are inapt. In sum, he has constructed a self-consistent ball of error that includes everything he might want to casually observe, but excludes space travel.
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18th April 2019, 12:24 PM | #371 |
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He has conceded he doesn't have answers for any of these, but speculates that there may exist "technology" he doesn't know about and can't describe which accounts for these apparent products of space travel. In other words, after chiding everyone for their "religious" faith in NASA and space, he has simply invoked ineffable miracles to account for his beliefs.
It's pretty clear at this point which of us is exhibiting the religious-style belief. |
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I suppose rockets could reach orbit while there's enough atmosphere to push against But separation and other maneuvering wouldn't work for lack of atmosphere. This means the ISS is empty, as docking wouldn't be possible so the crew and supplies could never get to it. Quite a lot to spend on maintaining the false narrative of space flight, really.
Also, the Hubble photos must be faked. And other things too ... |
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18th April 2019, 12:35 PM | #377 |
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Humbugs are solid, so throwing one will generate a propulsive force. Tantrums are abstract, so neither solid nor fluid. There's scope for a valuable experiment here. Try throwing a tantrum, and if it flings you backwards across the room then you'll know that abstract concepts have some of the attributes of a solid.
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18th April 2019, 12:46 PM | #382 |
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Still like to know which ones s/he saw which seemed to go into the water, too. Presumably our intrepid OP saw them fly up, arc back downwards, and land with enough clarity where an astute observer would assume that water was the impact point...or landing zone...or whatever.
Or maybe s/he means that the water is actually above us! Explains why the sky is blue, of course. |
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18th April 2019, 12:48 PM | #385 |
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I don't intend to let him off the hook. That's what his answer is, but I certainly don't accept it. It's just "I don't know," with extra steps.
If the argument is, "X doesn't exist," and the rebuttal is, "But Y is a consequent of X. If not by X, then whence Y?" and the answer is "I don't know," the argument fails and the rebuttal succeeds. The claimant is on the hook to show other alternative antecedents, and generally to prove that the alternatives are more favorable or parsimonious in context. Here he just says we can't place limits on technology we don't know about, so it's not possible to categorically deny the existence of alternatives. It's still "I don't know." And he's still on the hook to show how "I don't know" is more parsimonious in context. I can't imagine how even the very concepts of parsimony and "I don't know" are compatible. By definition if you don't know the answer, it can't be the parsimonious explanation. Very often this sort of argument becomes circular. He accepts axiomatically his own belief. And he is forced to accept observation that appears to be things like satellites and space stations. But to that sort, this pair of premises constitutes proof that there "must" be some secret alternative technology being employed. The observation must be explained, and the axiom cannot be violated, so that proves there "must" be alternative technology even if we can't immediately discern what it must look like. |
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I don't understand why we don't just do rocket launches from Australia so they can just fall into space. Seems like it would save a lot of fuel.
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18th April 2019, 12:58 PM | #387 |
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I didn't think we got new posters like this anymore. Seems straight out of the mythical age of 2005.
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I saw two space shuttle launches in my life. Both of them took off, I saw them go up, up up and then they landed many days later.
I want to know, if they didn't go off into space, where the hell did they go? And if the complaint is that these were just low-earth orbit, then what about the Apollo missions? These guys were gone for days and days after take off before landing in ocean. Where were they if not in space? They couldn't have been flying around in the atmosphere. If the physics of rockets in space, imagine the engineering to keep a craft floating around the atmosphere for 10 days? Rockets flying in space is a far simpler explanation than any alternative. |
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Okay so what if Theseus launches a rocket to space, but on the way to space every single piece is replaced so by the time it gets to space every single part of the rocket has been replaced?
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And it will fall quite nicely when entrained with cool air. I’ve observed this while we were poking ceiling tiles out in a grocery store that had a fire on the roof. Some of the smoke got into the cool air of the false ceiling space, and drifted down when we opened the ceiling checking for extension.
That was because the smoke was in air that was denser than the ambient air mass. It had nothing to do with an atmospheric pressure gradient. |
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Gingervytes, I repeat:
I’ve personally built (as part of a team), integrated, tested, observed the launch of, and operated spacecraft, including postflight testing. Your claim is observed to be wrong. Any response? Or are you going to continue ignoring refutations like this one? Ya know, if it was me, and I was getting my head handed to me by people who actually do spaceflight for a living, as well as an assortment of educated laymen, I would stop and ask myself if maybe I was wrong, and investigate the criticisms of my claims, because it’s more important to me to get it right than to cling to my beliefs on an anonymous Internet forum. How about you? Would you like to learn something? |
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Utter poppycock.
Smoke expands up rather than down because the particles of which it is comprised are thrust upwards by thermal convection caused by the heat of the fire. You can observe this when the smoke comes down again once it is clear of the updraft.. Try camping out more often. It will do you some good |
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