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11th May 2019, 01:35 AM | #1 |
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America transitions into Gilead
With Georgia about set to give women who get abortions the death penalty, Ohio requiring ectopic pregnancies be saved...somehow and Alabama deciding rape isn't a problem it is the sluts that claim rape happened that is the problem...well I'd like to say that all the Bernie Bros who said back in 2016 that it was okay, nay a requirement, to vote Stein because women were safe can collectively all just go jump off a cliff. I said then that conservatives would never be satisfied until women were reduced to slaves for men's whims but I was just talking "nonsense" and yet here we now are.
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11th May 2019, 04:16 AM | #2 |
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Remember: although we get to vote for a new president every 4 years, a Supreme Court Justice could serve for 30 years or more. We don't get to change that in 4 years or 8. Who knows when we'll get a chance again. It could be a long time.
If the Supreme Court lets these laws stand, we won't be able to reverse that decision in 2020. It could only have been prevented in 2016. I'm just hoping that RBG makes it to the end of Trump's term. But even if she does, replacing her with another liberal won't change the balance. Alabama Lawmakers Move To Outlaw Abortion In Challenge To Roe V. Wade
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I just want to say that I agree with Travis on this, but instead of a quick death jumping off a cliff, they should die in a dumpster fire.
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11th May 2019, 12:18 PM | #4 |
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This article by the Post says that at least one expert does not think the Georgia bill could be used to prosecute women at all.
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Frankly, I think that a consistent pro-life position would not include any rape exception. If abortion is wrong because the fetus has a right to life and such a right outweighs a woman's right to bodily self-determination, then what does it matter that the fetus is a product of rape? The fetus is not the rapist. The only reason pro-lifers carve out a rape exception is because it is politically wise to do so. Most people are uncomfortable, for obvious reasons, telling a rape victim she must carry the product of rape until birth. But this is just a spineless exception, if one genuinely believes that abortion is morally equivalent to murder. You do your case no good by exaggerating the positions of the other side (must be a name for that tactic). If you think their positions are unreasonable, why not state them as accurately as possible? Is the majority of the Alabama legislature genuinely claiming rape isn't a problem? I should be startled to learn that (frankly, the bill itself is startling enough). But if there is no such discussion being had, I won't be startled at all, because you repeatedly misrepresent conservative positions. |
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I think you need a better map. We are "here", but where we are doesn't much resemble your description of it. However, the unhyped version of events is correct. Abortion may end up illegal in some states soon, for the first time in almost fifty years, and that is, in fact, due to the election of Donald Trump. Still, I was pretty young in 1972, but I don't remember things being as you described. I'm not saying that the situation today is good, but I am saying your description of pending possible events does not match reality. |
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"This bill is focused on that baby that's in the womb that is a person," Collins said. "That baby, I believe, would choose life."
Even one with no brain? And I don't give a rat's ass what you 'believe', Collins. Keep your "I believes' the hell away from MY body. |
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And do those laws tell another person what medical procedures they can and cannot choose to have?
It's my personal belief that Bob the Coward should not be allowed to have a vasectomy because it is tantamount to killing all those unborn children he might father. That was the law at one time too. |
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Umm...no. The FDA does not control what medical procedures a person can have. The NHS decides what medical procedures they will PAY for, not what procedures a person can legally have.
ETA: I don't think the NHS has laws, but rather regulations and policies. Doctor assisted suicide is legal in some countries and some US states. ETA: Assisted suicide is also concerned with a person who is legally a "person".
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The FDA banned all transvaginal meshes this year.
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Nope. As I ETA's above:
Assisted suicide is also concerned with a person who is legally a "person".
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You do realize that these are not scientific or medical questions, right? That's like asking since when has science determined that a normal adult human has a right to life. It hasn't and we don't depend on science to answer this fundamentally philosophical question.
(Before someone complain that philosophy does a crap job answering such questions, which is fair enough, the fundamental questions here about what rights persons have, whether right to life or right to abortion, are really philosophical questions. They are also legal questions, of course, but this context really is about what legal rights they ought to have, which is not a legal question.) |
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Science has never been asked to determine that a normal adult human has a right to life. That is, as you say, a philosophical question. However, my point still stands: when a zygote/embryo/fetus becomes a person is completely a matter of personal/religious belief. Therefore, Bob the Coward referring to abortion as "murder" is a personal/religious belief not based on any science.
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I previously stated that the Bernie bros who advocated voting for Stein can go die in a dumpster fire. I wish to correct that. The Bernie bros who advocated voting for Stein AND the conservatives who want to overturn Roe v. Wade can ALL go die in a dumpster fire.
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Travis how many times is it now the government has turned into an Neo-con nightmare in your head? 10? 20? At this point I'm wondering how far you think it has to go.
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